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Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:08 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:01 am
None of this is relevant. The fact he felt he needed to take less money so his team could win a Super Bowl is all that matters. 20+ million is A LOT of money no matter who you are, and he wouldn't have passed on it if he didn't think it helped his chances of wining dramatically.

Well good for Tom Brady. But that's not how the rest of the NFL works. I'm not sure why you think Cousins should do that when nobody else in the NFL does. Contracts of Cousins size are expected in today's NFL and they are just going to continue to get higher. Like I said, Mahomes' contract will make Cousins' look like veteran minimum. And there are going to be plenty more before Mahomes' contract hits.

I don't think Cousins should do that. I think GMs should consider that before giving out massive contracts to QBs who struggle to beat playoff teams.

Mahommes is a great QB who should be a Viking today. We win the SB with him at the helm in 2017 if our GM didn't panic and trade away our best chance an elite franchise QB. Of course, that assumes Rick would have made the right call in the draft, but knowing him he drafts Lynch instead.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:05 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:00 am

Lol there ya go again. That’s what you take from that post. You can’t just not pay a QB big money. Having case at $2 million last year was a luxury. Case Keenum got nearly $20 million and where is he now? You can’t just shy away from the market and not make a decision on one of the most important positions on the field. And yeah even if you draft a rookie, you still have to go through paying him eventually if he ends up being good. Guys like Wentz, Goff, Mahomes, Watson, Newton, etc haven’t won a SB yet either. But they are still going to get paid. Do you think you could just offer a good QB $15 mill a year and he’s going to take that? It’s not in the GM/coaches hands nearly as much as it’s in the players hands. They are going to demand what they demand. And THEN if you want them that bad, you offer them the money.

Bottom line is, if you want a good QB, you have to pay him money. And it’s usually big money and it usually resets the market. That’s what cousins did, and cousins will work his way down the line as more QBs get paid like Wentz just did. That’s today’s nfl. I’m not sure what you expect for a QB when it comes to money. If you have a good QB, you have to pay him big money. Period

Bottom line is, if you want a franchise QB you draft one. The market for QBs is inflated, and if you have a great QB you have to pay them a lot...eventually. For a few years though, you get incredibly cheap, good QB play and it allows you a short window at winning the SB. Like Philly was in until this season, LA is in now and what KC is in.

You cant guarantee "good" QB play. At least with dipping into the market, you know what you're getting if it's a seasoned veteran. The draft is a crap shoot. Not saying you shouldnt draft a QB but when you already have a solid team built like we do, you dont have time to wait for a rookie to figure it out. Your window is only so big unless you're NE. That is one thing you arent factoring in is rookie growing pains. Even 2nd year growing pains. IMO, Trubisky is what held the Bears back this year. But they also drafted him when they were in a full rebuild where we havent been in a rebuild in quite some time now. We had a win now team already minus a QB. That is a big difference. No less, last year we were picking at 30 which leaves us to draft only Lamar Jackson who I already told you is not a good QB. This year, our only option was Lock who the jury will be out on. It's not like we're sitting pretty in the top 5 and can land a top rookie QB. I'm not saying we shouldnt draft a QB at any point but I am saying that picking at 30 and being well out of the top QB race in the draft and having Cousins hitting the market, it's a no brainer for us. Not waiting for the draft and relying on Lamar Jackson out of all QBs to be a franchise player.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:14 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:08 am

Well good for Tom Brady. But that's not how the rest of the NFL works. I'm not sure why you think Cousins should do that when nobody else in the NFL does. Contracts of Cousins size are expected in today's NFL and they are just going to continue to get higher. Like I said, Mahomes' contract will make Cousins' look like veteran minimum. And there are going to be plenty more before Mahomes' contract hits.

I don't think Cousins should do that. I think GMs should consider that before giving out massive contracts to QBs who struggle to beat playoff teams.

Mahommes is a great QB who should be a Viking today. We win the SB with him at the helm in 2017 if our GM didn't panic and trade away our best chance an elite franchise QB. Of course, that assumes Rick would have made the right call in the draft, but knowing him he drafts Lynch instead.

lol yeah because you knew Mahomes was the next best thing at QB that year It's so easy to sit here and say we should have drafted this guy or that guy because you KNOW they are good NOW. I highly doubt that was the case back then. No less, we would've picked 14th that year. KC traded up to 10th to draft him. Which would have jumped us. So yeah we probably would've been forced to take Lynch that year because we would have no idea KC was coming up that far to take Mahomes. But of course this is the only possible thing you're hanging onto right now by saying we should have drafted Mahomes. You're grasping for air at this point. All of the sudden, after months and months of you complaining about Cousins, you are going to NOW say we should have drafted Mahomes..... You're hanging on by a thread here man.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:48 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:14 am

I don't think Cousins should do that. I think GMs should consider that before giving out massive contracts to QBs who struggle to beat playoff teams.

Mahommes is a great QB who should be a Viking today. We win the SB with him at the helm in 2017 if our GM didn't panic and trade away our best chance an elite franchise QB. Of course, that assumes Rick would have made the right call in the draft, but knowing him he drafts Lynch instead.

lol yeah because you knew Mahomes was the next best thing at QB that year It's so easy to sit here and say we should have drafted this guy or that guy because you KNOW they are good NOW. I highly doubt that was the case back then. No less, we would've picked 14th that year. KC traded up to 10th to draft him. Which would have jumped us. So yeah we probably would've been forced to take Lynch that year because we would have no idea KC was coming up that far to take Mahomes. But of course this is the only possible thing you're hanging onto right now by saying we should have drafted Mahomes. You're grasping for air at this point. All of the sudden, after months and months of you complaining about Cousins, you are going to NOW say we should have drafted Mahomes..... You're hanging on by a thread here man.

I can link to fan posts where I have been consistent on what I wanted the Vikings to do at QB. I wanted them to roll with the punches after Teddy went down and take the high draft pick in 2017, drafting Teddy's replacement. Instead they traded a high draft pick for a below average injured QB. If the Vikings had done what I wanted to do, the odds are pretty good they have a ring right now with a Jefferson-less and Barnett-less Eagles squad going up against Mahommes and not Keenum in the 2017 NFCCG.

After the 2016 season, I wanted the Vikings to trade Bradford at what was probably his peak value and get the draft capital to draft a replacement for Teddy. Didn't happen, and we only got 2 games out of Bradford.

This is not hindsight for me. I was more right than the GM, and there is no one more upset about me being more right than a guy paid millions to make decisions for my favorite team than me.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:41 am

. That is a big difference. No less, last year we were picking at 30 which leaves us to draft only Lamar Jackson who I already told you is not a good QB.

I mean, what other evidence do we need than this right here.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:05 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:00 am

Lol there ya go again. That’s what you take from that post. You can’t just not pay a QB big money. Having case at $2 million last year was a luxury. Case Keenum got nearly $20 million and where is he now? You can’t just shy away from the market and not make a decision on one of the most important positions on the field. And yeah even if you draft a rookie, you still have to go through paying him eventually if he ends up being good. Guys like Wentz, Goff, Mahomes, Watson, Newton, etc haven’t won a SB yet either. But they are still going to get paid. Do you think you could just offer a good QB $15 mill a year and he’s going to take that? It’s not in the GM/coaches hands nearly as much as it’s in the players hands. They are going to demand what they demand. And THEN if you want them that bad, you offer them the money.

Bottom line is, if you want a good QB, you have to pay him money. And it’s usually big money and it usually resets the market. That’s what cousins did, and cousins will work his way down the line as more QBs get paid like Wentz just did. That’s today’s nfl. I’m not sure what you expect for a QB when it comes to money. If you have a good QB, you have to pay him big money. Period

Bottom line is, if you want a franchise QB you draft one. The market for QBs is inflated, and if you have a great QB you have to pay them a lot...eventually. For a few years though, you get incredibly cheap, good QB play and it allows you a short window at winning the SB. Like Philly was in until this season, LA is in now and what KC is in.

9 times out of 10 when you draft a QB even if he eventually ends up being great (which is seldom) he usually isn't great until it's time to sign his second contract. Wentz is one of the best, but he sure wasn't great last year and he already got his huge extension. Drafting the great QB idea often doesn't work. If the Vikings went all in on drafting a great QB from this point forward maybe we would get one in the next ten years that would become great about five years into his contract. Maybe? Probably a 1in 5 chance of it happening.
Also remember if we go all in on drafting a QB we will neglect other important areas. If we had drafted Lock this year we wouldn't have Bradbury. How much impact would that have on the team? Going all in on drafting the QB simply isn't worth it. If a great value falls into your lap during the draft sure make the move. We got Cousins and all it cost us was salary cap. It was the right move.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:20 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:05 am

Bottom line is, if you want a franchise QB you draft one. The market for QBs is inflated, and if you have a great QB you have to pay them a lot...eventually. For a few years though, you get incredibly cheap, good QB play and it allows you a short window at winning the SB. Like Philly was in until this season, LA is in now and what KC is in.

9 times out of 10 when you draft a QB even if he eventually ends up being great (which is seldom) he usually isn't great until it's time to sign his second contract. Wentz is one of the best, but he sure wasn't great last year and he already got his huge extension. So the draft the great QB idea doesn't work. If the Vikings went all in on drafting a great QB from this point forward maybe we would get one in the next ten years that would become great about five years into his contract. Maybe? Probably a 1in 5 chance of it happening.
Also remember if we go all in on drafting a QB we will neglect other important areas. If we had drafted Lock this year we wouldn't have Bradbury. How much impact would that have on the team? Going all in on drafting the QB simply isn't worth it. We got Cousins and all it cost us was salary cap. It was the right move.

Not sure where you are getting 9 times out of 10 from? Carr had his best year on his rookie deal. Bortles the same. Wentz was going to win the MVP in his second season. Goff was pretty good in his 3rd seasons. Mahommes was elite in his second. Brady won it in his second season, same with Big Ben and Wilson. Should I go on?

Cousins MIGHT be the right move. The jury is still out on whether or not he was. History says paying a QB of his caliber that much money in FAs was the wrong move, but he could be the exception.

Look, my issue with Cousins isn't really an issue with Cousins at all. It is with the GM who screwed up our QB situation so bad overpaying Cousins that much money was an option. It is also with the fans who refuse to hold management accountable for any poor decision, defending the Bradford trade to this day because their team can do no wrong.

If you have the opinion that Cousins, despite his salary, is the best chance at a Super Bowl and long term success, that is a valid opinion. I disagree with that opinion, but he IS a good passer and an above average NFL QB. Just don't come at me with this "QB don't win Super Bowls" crap because you don't think our QB is a Super Bowl winning caliber QB.

Raptorman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:16 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:12 pm
Your making stuff up. I liked the Mattison pick and posted that. 99 % of the board indicated it was a reach and would have been there in round 5 and probably later. Plus it was stated over and over he can't run and has no speed. I said he was a battering ram and most said BS. As for Cook missing time you should look it up. If I remember correctly he missed the majority of his rookie season. He then missed time with a hamstring his 2nd year. In your book that's me being negative nellie. In my book that's what happened. Cook has not proven he can take the heavy load because he's not on the field enough.

There is no such thing as a "Reach" in the draft. Not in my book. A player either plays well or he doesn't Where they are drafted has no bearing on their skill set in the NFL. How many times have we seen players that were taken in the 1st round suck and player in the 4 become great? The only thing that draft position does is determines how much they get paid their first 4 years. Take the Vikings 2 round pick this year, at $1.05 million cap hit, and compare it to our last 7th round pick. $513,000 cap hit.

Remember, between 25-30% of all players on teams went undrafted.

Draft position is very important in my book. When Andrew Luck came out I wished we had the 1st pick and I was hoping we would trade our entire draft for the pick. He upgrades a team immediately because of the position he plays and the skill set he had. Tim Tebow was a reach and many indicated that when he was picked in the 1st round. I was glad when he was off the board. His game didn't fit. Don't full yourself draft position is important. "Suck for Luck". All teams wanted that position. Johnson tanked a season to get Aikman.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:12 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:48 am

lol yeah because you knew Mahomes was the next best thing at QB that year It's so easy to sit here and say we should have drafted this guy or that guy because you KNOW they are good NOW. I highly doubt that was the case back then. No less, we would've picked 14th that year. KC traded up to 10th to draft him. Which would have jumped us. So yeah we probably would've been forced to take Lynch that year because we would have no idea KC was coming up that far to take Mahomes. But of course this is the only possible thing you're hanging onto right now by saying we should have drafted Mahomes. You're grasping for air at this point. All of the sudden, after months and months of you complaining about Cousins, you are going to NOW say we should have drafted Mahomes..... You're hanging on by a thread here man.

I can link to fan posts where I have been consistent on what I wanted the Vikings to do at QB. I wanted them to roll with the punches after Teddy went down and take the high draft pick in 2017, drafting Teddy's replacement. Instead they traded a high draft pick for a below average injured QB. If the Vikings had done what I wanted to do, the odds are pretty good they have a ring right now with a Jefferson-less and Barnett-less Eagles squad going up against Mahommes and not Keenum in the 2017 NFCCG.

After the 2016 season, I wanted the Vikings to trade Bradford at what was probably his peak value and get the draft capital to draft a replacement for Teddy. Didn't happen, and we only got 2 games out of Bradford.

This is not hindsight for me. I was more right than the GM, and there is no one more upset about me being more right than a guy paid millions to make decisions for my favorite team than me.

Did you miss the part where I said Mahomes was drafted at 10 and we would have picked at 14?? Saying you wanted us to draft Teddy's replacement is one thing. Saying you wanted Pat Mahomes from the start is another. Because like I said above, KC would have still picked Mahomes and we would have been stuck with Paxton Lynch. Not sure why you arent seeing that. We didnt technically pass on Mahomes. He would have been off the board at our pick. And if teams knew how good he really was, he would have went first overall. But either way, you can go down the "we'd have a ring" road all you want but Mahomes wouldnt have been on this team regardless. That's like saying "we should have drafted Russell Wilson in 2012". Nobody knew if Wilson was going to be good or not. But since I know he's good now, I'm going to say we should have picked him! lol. Like that's just not reality. Sure we could have passed on Bradford and drafted but I could almost guarantee you we werent landing Mahomes. So why are you even going down that road? Because it's the only string you have left to hang onto. You picked a once in a decade QB to help your argument against not signing Kirk Cousins.....weird....

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:55 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:12 am

I can link to fan posts where I have been consistent on what I wanted the Vikings to do at QB. I wanted them to roll with the punches after Teddy went down and take the high draft pick in 2017, drafting Teddy's replacement. Instead they traded a high draft pick for a below average injured QB. If the Vikings had done what I wanted to do, the odds are pretty good they have a ring right now with a Jefferson-less and Barnett-less Eagles squad going up against Mahommes and not Keenum in the 2017 NFCCG.

After the 2016 season, I wanted the Vikings to trade Bradford at what was probably his peak value and get the draft capital to draft a replacement for Teddy. Didn't happen, and we only got 2 games out of Bradford.

This is not hindsight for me. I was more right than the GM, and there is no one more upset about me being more right than a guy paid millions to make decisions for my favorite team than me.

Did you miss the part where I said Mahomes was drafted at 10 and we would have picked at 14?? Saying you wanted us to draft Teddy's replacement is one thing. Saying you wanted Pat Mahomes from the start is another. Because like I said above, KC would have still picked Mahomes and we would have been stuck with Paxton Lynch. Not sure why you arent seeing that. We didnt technically pass on Mahomes. He would have been off the board at our pick. And if teams knew how good he really was, he would have went first overall. But either way, you can go down the "we'd have a ring" road all you want but Mahomes wouldnt have been on this team regardless. That's like saying "we should have drafted Russell Wilson in 2012". Nobody knew if Wilson was going to be good or not. But since I know he's good now, I'm going to say we should have picked him! lol. Like that's just not reality. Sure we could have passed on Bradford and drafted but I could almost guarantee you we werent landing Mahomes. So why are you even going down that road? Because it's the only string you have left to hang onto. You picked a once in a decade QB to help your argument against not signing Kirk Cousins.....weird....

Again you make my argument for me. Missing out on a "once in a decade QB" is why I think our GM sucks. KC traded up from 27 for Mahommes, we couldn't trade up from 14, (assuming we win just as many games with Hill as Bradford, which makes that trade even worse)?

You don't think our GM would have gotten us a "once in a decade QB" even if he had had the ammunition to get him, guarantee it in fact, but you defend him as a top GM and trust that he made the right decision in Cousins? Something doesn't add up there.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:08 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:55 am

Did you miss the part where I said Mahomes was drafted at 10 and we would have picked at 14?? Saying you wanted us to draft Teddy's replacement is one thing. Saying you wanted Pat Mahomes from the start is another. Because like I said above, KC would have still picked Mahomes and we would have been stuck with Paxton Lynch. Not sure why you arent seeing that. We didnt technically pass on Mahomes. He would have been off the board at our pick. And if teams knew how good he really was, he would have went first overall. But either way, you can go down the "we'd have a ring" road all you want but Mahomes wouldnt have been on this team regardless. That's like saying "we should have drafted Russell Wilson in 2012". Nobody knew if Wilson was going to be good or not. But since I know he's good now, I'm going to say we should have picked him! lol. Like that's just not reality. Sure we could have passed on Bradford and drafted but I could almost guarantee you we werent landing Mahomes. So why are you even going down that road? Because it's the only string you have left to hang onto. You picked a once in a decade QB to help your argument against not signing Kirk Cousins.....weird....

Again you make my argument for me. Missing out on a "once in a decade QB" is why I think our GM sucks. KC traded up from 27 for Mahommes, we couldn't trade up from 14, (assuming we win just as many games with Hill as Bradford, which makes that trade even worse)?

You don't think our GM would have gotten us a "once in a decade QB" even if he had had the ammunition to get him, guarantee it in fact, but you defend him as a top GM and trust that he made the right decision in Cousins? Something doesn't add up there.

First of all, if you somehow think Shaun Hill wins 8 games with this team I really dont know what to tell you. The guy was 36 and could barely move. No less he wasnt a good QB to begin with.

Second, If our GM sucks, then so do the GMs for the rest of the teams in the NFL. Because 9 teams passed on him and plenty others missed trading up for him. So I guess they suck too. Because they ALL missed on a once in a decade type player. We could have traded up, sure. But you also have no idea who is coming from behind you. Not a soul out there thought KC would be coming up from that far to snag him. You also have to worry about who is in front of you. You make it sound like a walk in the park and we should have know Mahomes was an elite QB talent and traded up for him. NOBODY knows and neither did you as much as you might think you did. Why did teams pass on Aaron Rodgers? Why did the Chargers trade Drew Brees? Why did Russell Wilson get passed up by all 32 teams 2 times or more before he was drafted in the 3rd? Why did every GM and coach in the NFL pass on Tom Brady 6-7 times before he was drafted? Because NOBODY TRULY KNOWS. Not because "they suck".

But yeah sure, I guess our GM sucks because he traded for Sam Bradford well ahead of the 2017 NFL draft, not thinking that he would have been able to eventually land Pat Mahomes the following year if (and only if) he traded up for him. What an idiot! What was he even thinking?!! I could literally go back 10 years and pick apart every draft saying, we should have passed on Barr for Aaron Donald in 2014, we shouldnt have passed on Wilson in 2012, we should have passed on Floyd and drafted Hopkins in 2013, etc and literally make myself an all star team by doing that. It doesnt make you sound like you know what you're talking about because anyone could do that and that's what you're doing with Mahomes.

But like come on dude....welcome back to reality. You went from hating on Kirk Cousins trying to find any spec of dirt you could on him and saying he wasnt worth the contract (but somehow couldnt name anyone better than him we should have gotten after multiple people called you out for it and ignored them) to then pulling Pat Mahomes out of your as#. Ok And we should have traded up for Peyton Manning in 1998 GM of the year here.....

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:05 am

Bottom line is, if you want a franchise QB you draft one. The market for QBs is inflated, and if you have a great QB you have to pay them a lot...eventually. For a few years though, you get incredibly cheap, good QB play and it allows you a short window at winning the SB. Like Philly was in until this season, LA is in now and what KC is in.

Really? Drafting a QB in the first round is 50/50 proposition. From 2010-2018 there were 27 QB's taken in the first round. Here's a list of some of those taken. 14 QB's out of 27. HOF's all of them. Only Bradford, Watson and Tannehill have started more than 50% of the games played since they were drafted. At least 25% of all 1st round picks(QB's) since 2010 are currently not on an NFL team.

Ryan Tannehill
Deshaun Watson
Sam Bradford
Blaine Gabbert
Teddy Bridgewater
Robert Griffin
Christian Ponder
Brandon Weeden
EJ Manuel
Jake Locker
Tim Tebow
Johnny Manziel
Marcus Mariota
Paxton Lynch

That is why the QB market is inflated.

Raptorman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:54 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:05 am

Bottom line is, if you want a franchise QB you draft one. The market for QBs is inflated, and if you have a great QB you have to pay them a lot...eventually. For a few years though, you get incredibly cheap, good QB play and it allows you a short window at winning the SB. Like Philly was in until this season, LA is in now and what KC is in.

Really? Drafting a QB in the first round is 50/50 proposition. From 2010-2018 there were 27 QB's taken in the first round. Here's a list of some of those taken. 14 QB's out of 27. HOF's all of them. Only Bradford, Watson and Tannehill have started more than 50% of the games played since they were drafted. At least 25% of all 1st round picks(QB's) since 2010 are currently not on an NFL team.

Ryan Tannehill
Deshaun Watson
Sam Bradford
Blaine Gabbert
Teddy Bridgewater
Robert Griffin
Christian Ponder
Brandon Weeden
EJ Manuel
Jake Locker
Tim Tebow
Johnny Manziel
Marcus Mariota
Paxton Lynch

That is why the QB market is inflated.

Good post and good research Raptor. That's pretty crazy.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 am

First of all, if you somehow think Shaun Hill wins 8 games with this team I really dont know what to tell you. The guy was 36 and could barely move. No less he wasnt a good QB to begin with.

I didn't say we would have won 8 games with Hill, YOU did. Saying we would have missed out on Mahommes because we would have drafted 14th if we hadn't traded that pick for Bradford implies we would have still won 8 games. I personally think we would have been drafting in the top 10.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 am Second, If our GM sucks, then so do the GMs for the rest of the teams in the NFL. Because 9 teams passed on him and plenty others missed trading up for him. So I guess they suck too. Because they ALL missed on a once in a decade type player. We could have traded up, sure. But you also have no idea who is coming from behind you. Not a soul out there thought KC would be coming up from that far to snag him. You also have to worry about who is in front of you. You make it sound like a walk in the park and we should have know Mahomes was an elite QB talent and traded up for him. NOBODY knows and neither did you as much as you might think you did. Why did teams pass on Aaron Rodgers? Why did the Chargers trade Drew Brees? Why did Russell Wilson get passed up by all 32 teams 2 times or more before he was drafted in the 3rd? Why did every GM and coach in the NFL pass on Tom Brady 6-7 times before he was drafted? Because NOBODY KNOWS.

10 other GMs didn't trade away their only shot at drafting Mahommes for Bradford. Ours did.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 am
So yeah sure, I guess our GM sucks because he traded for Sam Bradford well ahead of the 2017 NFL draft, not thinking that he would have been able to eventually land Pat Mahomes the following year if (and only if) he traded up for him. What an idiot! What was he even thinking?!!

He sucks because he traded a first round pick for a below average, oft injured, over payed QB. The fact that pick could have turned into Mahommes makes that trade worse, but it was going to be a horrible trade from the get go.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 am
Like come on dude....welcome back to reality. You went from hating on Kirk Cousins trying to find any spec of dirt you could on him. To then saying he wasnt worth the contract (but somehow couldnt name anyone better than him we should have gotten after multiple people called you out for it and ignored them) to then pulling Pat Mahomes out of your as#. Ok And we should have traded up for Peyton Manning in 1998 GM of the year here.....

I don't hate anyone, Cousins isn't worth the contract and I have given examples of QBs who would have been much cheaper and not gotten us to the playoffs, just like Cousins did in 2018. Thinking the Vikings would have drafted the Mahommes in a draft where they were in desperate need of a QB is not a pipe dream. It is what would have happened. It sucks as a Viking fan to think about, but you would have to be in complete denial to say otherwise. You think there were going to be drafting 8,9, or 10, Mahommes is sitting there and they don't draft him? D'ohkay.

Raptorman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:54 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:05 am

Bottom line is, if you want a franchise QB you draft one. The market for QBs is inflated, and if you have a great QB you have to pay them a lot...eventually. For a few years though, you get incredibly cheap, good QB play and it allows you a short window at winning the SB. Like Philly was in until this season, LA is in now and what KC is in.

Really? Drafting a QB in the first round is 50/50 proposition. From 2010-2018 there were 27 QB's taken in the first round. Here's a list of some of those taken. 14 QB's out of 27. HOF's all of them. Only Bradford, Watson and Tannehill have started more than 50% of the games played since they were drafted. At least 25% of all 1st round picks(QB's) since 2010 are currently not on an NFL team.

Ryan Tannehill
Deshaun Watson
Sam Bradford
Blaine Gabbert
Teddy Bridgewater
Robert Griffin
Christian Ponder
Brandon Weeden
EJ Manuel
Jake Locker
Tim Tebow
Johnny Manziel
Marcus Mariota
Paxton Lynch

That is why the QB market is inflated.

You got me. 1st round QBs don't always turn into good QBs, so that mean the draft isn't the way to find your franchise QB. I stand corrected. I mean look at all the teams that found their franchise QBs in free agency. There is Drew Brees and...huh.