WRs in Draft

[RandyMoss84]

Good conversation, so thanks everyone.
Just wanted to put my two cents on a few things:
1) The top 3 QBs will go top 10. None of them are worth the risk for how much they will cost.
2) why not let teams draft QBs and WRs early on, and let BPA take over? We are in a perfect spot for a premium DT, OL, edge rusher, or CB to fall to us. I wouldn't trade up with our situation. Take advantage of value at 22 and 25.
3) think about how many good WRs will be available from round 3 on. Is there much difference between them? Crapshoot big time.

*anyone interested in Thaddeus Moss if he falls to round 3? He is an excellent run blocker and could be groomed in to take over for Rudolph. He and Irv might be nice together and take pressure off of our WRs.

I would not mind him and it would be nice to draft Randy’s son but tight end is not a big need

[VikingsVictorious]

From what I've read, I think the most likely WRs the Vikings draft in round 1 would be Justin Jefferson or Laviska Shenault for the reasons Daniel Jeremiah mentions in his analysis of the two, specifically with these sentences...

Justin Jefferson:

He lines up in the slot and out wide. He is an outstanding route runner.

Thielen, Irv and Bisi to a lesser extent are all versatile. As was Diggs, so replacing Diggs with someone that can line up anywhere as well as run polished routes is a guy who can contribute day 1 and fit right in, allowing Kubiak to keep the same flow of the offense. Plug-and-play, essentially.

On Laviska:

Shenault isn't a nuanced route runner, but he is a monster with the ball in his hands. He excels on quick hitters, fly sweeps and vertical routes.

...he can have an immediate impact for a creative offensive coordinator. He's too big, strong and fast to not contribute.

I am more familiar with Laviska, being that I'm in pac-12 territory and I believe he can have a Percy-like impact and provide another dangerous weapon to the offense who can line up anywhere on the field.

These 2 can be impact guys right away without having to trade draft capital to potentially move up for guys like Lamb or Juedy. I'd be less worried about Jefferson and though I really like Shenault, there's always a chance he's more like Cordarrelle Patterson than Percy. Potential is there though and Minnesota needs someone who can come out of the gates and produce.

Link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ankings-40

Jeremiah has a big difference as far as ranking between the two. Jefferson 14th overall Shenault 36th.

[PacificNorseWest]

Yes, of top 50 overall prospects, but in talking strictly WR, not so much. The point was, they offer very distinct potential possibilities relative to the Vikings' need, both of which could be used on a win-now team given Minnesota's roster makeup. And if they choose to go that route of WR in the 1st, let us hope it's more Moss than Williamson, ergo, they better not mess up!

[StumpHunter]

It’s not.

Rodgers was drafted in 2005 and won the SB in 2010, his 6th year. He sat for three full seasons behind Brett Favre.

Thanks Kapp. Now I know I can't trust the stats thrown at me by stump. Stump J/K. We all make mistakes sometimes.

Kapp was right, he made 6 million in 2010 in his sixth season the year he won the SB, which even then would have been about 5% of the cap. So he was paid similar to a QB on a rookie deal, but wasn't on a rookie contract.

Just as an FYI, Cousins cap % is 14.74% of the cap on average over the 5 year, 150 million fully guaranteed life of the contract. I made sure to provide a source this time since I can't trust my memory apparently.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/02/nfl-qu ... ree-agency

The record for the highest cap hit percentage remains Steve Young’s 13.1% in that first season, when teams were still getting used to building rosters under a budget. Only four quarterbacks have ever won a Super Bowl while accounting for at least 11% of their team’s cap room: Young, Peyton Manning (twice), Tom Brady and Eli Manning.

I missed Flacco in my list of QBs winning it all on rookie contracts and Kurt Warner was only in his 4th year in the NFL (2nd year actually playing) making 750,000 when he won it. It wasn't technically a rookie deal, but his experience and salary were the same as a guy on a rookie deal.

[StumpHunter]

This is the right answer. You aren't just using draft picks to improve your QB position, you are also getting a good QB on a rookie salary, which is a huge advantage. 30 million extra in cap can go a long way to improving the team.

It’s not the right answer if you don’t think any of them are a franchise QB. We all know you want cousins gone, but drafting a QB just to draft one isn’t necessarily the right move. I mean are we really saying if we’re going to trade up it should be for a QB? I don’t understand how in any way that’s the right answer

I 100% agree that drafting a QB just to draft one is stupid. Drafting a QB because you feel strongly about their ability and really think they fit your system and personnel well is smart though.

If the Vikings don't feel that way about Tua, Love or Herbert, by all means don't draft them.

[StumpHunter]

Good conversation, so thanks everyone.
Just wanted to put my two cents on a few things:
1) The top 3 QBs will go top 10. None of them are worth the risk for how much they will cost.
2) why not let teams draft QBs and WRs early on, and let BPA take over? We are in a perfect spot for a premium DT, OL, edge rusher, or CB to fall to us. I wouldn't trade up with our situation. Take advantage of value at 22 and 25.
3) think about how many good WRs will be available from round 3 on. Is there much difference between them? Crapshoot big time.

*anyone interested in Thaddeus Moss if he falls to round 3? He is an excellent run blocker and could be groomed in to take over for Rudolph. He and Irv might be nice together and take pressure off of our WRs.

I think going BPA at 22 and 25 is a very viable draft plan. There are so many needs on this team, that unless you draft LBer or RB at those spots, you are getting someone who can contribute right away.

I don't think Moss in round 3 is getting value with your third rounder, but would love to have him on the team.

[Pondering Her Percy]

It’s not the right answer if you don’t think any of them are a franchise QB. We all know you want cousins gone, but drafting a QB just to draft one isn’t necessarily the right move. I mean are we really saying if we’re going to trade up it should be for a QB? I don’t understand how in any way that’s the right answer

I 100% agree that drafting a QB just to draft one is stupid. Drafting a QB because you feel strongly about their ability and really think they fit your system and personnel well is smart though.

If the Vikings don't feel that way about Tua, Love or Herbert, by all means don't draft them.

Exactly. So if we want to trade up but don’t think highly of any of these QBs, it’s still wrong to trade up since it’s not for a QB?

[Pondering Her Percy]

From what I've read, I think the most likely WRs the Vikings draft in round 1 would be Justin Jefferson or Laviska Shenault for the reasons Daniel Jeremiah mentions in his analysis of the two, specifically with these sentences...

Justin Jefferson:



Thielen, Irv and Bisi to a lesser extent are all versatile. As was Diggs, so replacing Diggs with someone that can line up anywhere as well as run polished routes is a guy who can contribute day 1 and fit right in, allowing Kubiak to keep the same flow of the offense. Plug-and-play, essentially.

On Laviska:





I am more familiar with Laviska, being that I'm in pac-12 territory and I believe he can have a Percy-like impact and provide another dangerous weapon to the offense who can line up anywhere on the field.

These 2 can be impact guys right away without having to trade draft capital to potentially move up for guys like Lamb or Juedy. I'd be less worried about Jefferson and though I really like Shenault, there's always a chance he's more like Cordarrelle Patterson than Percy. Potential is there though and Minnesota needs someone who can come out of the gates and produce.

Link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ankings-40

Jeremiah has a big difference as far as ranking between the two. Jefferson 14th overall Shenault 36th.

Yeah I just don’t know how much I trust Shenault in terms of a WR. All I can think of is Patterson. A better athlete than WR. We don’t need that IMO. I think he’s better than Patterson but still a far from polished WR.

Bottom line is Jeudy and lamb are in their own elite category. Jefferson and Ruggs next in line. Outside of those 4 there is a decent drop off IMO. Guys like Mims, Higgins, Shenault, aiyuk, Reagor, etc are all potential studs but the top 4 are in their own category and the top 2 are in an elite category

[VikingsVictorious]

Jeremiah has a big difference as far as ranking between the two. Jefferson 14th overall Shenault 36th.

Yeah I just don’t know how much I trust Shenault in terms of a WR. All I can think of is Patterson. A better athlete than WR. We don’t need that IMO. I think he’s better than Patterson but still a far from polished WR.

Bottom line is Jeudy and lamb are in their own elite category. Jefferson and Ruggs next in line. Outside of those 4 there is a decent drop off IMO. Guys like Mims, Higgins, Shenault, aiyuk, Reagor, etc are all potential studs but the top 4 are in their own category and the top 2 are in an elite category

I believe Shenault much more productive than Patterson.

[Vikings09]

Irv Smith Jr should be better this year and will be used better this year and plus who knows maybe Conklin can do the double tightend set with Smith playing out...we can draft a wr in the first but that is not a big time need but our lines are on both sides....we could go LB Murray in the first and that would improve our defense then go either OL or DL with the other pick. In the second we can go after a wr

[Texas Vike]

Jeremiah has a big difference as far as ranking between the two. Jefferson 14th overall Shenault 36th.

Yeah I just don’t know how much I trust Shenault in terms of a WR. All I can think of is Patterson. A better athlete than WR. We don’t need that IMO. I think he’s better than Patterson but still a far from polished WR.

Bottom line is Jeudy and lamb are in their own elite category. Jefferson and Ruggs next in line. Outside of those 4 there is a decent drop off IMO. Guys like Mims, Higgins, Shenault, aiyuk, Reagor, etc are all potential studs but the top 4 are in their own category and the top 2 are in an elite category

That's my impression too. The other issue with Shenault is that he seems injury prone.

[VikingsVictorious]

Irv Smith Jr should be better this year and will be used better this year and plus who knows maybe Conklin can do the double tightend set with Smith playing out...we can draft a wr in the first but that is not a big time need but our lines are on both sides....we could go LB Murray in the first and that would improve our defense then go either OL or DL with the other pick. In the second we can go after a wr

WR IMO is a much bigger need than DL. We have 3 good DL and several potential options for the other tackle spot. WR we have one NFL caliber player.

[StumpHunter]

Irv Smith Jr should be better this year and will be used better this year and plus who knows maybe Conklin can do the double tightend set with Smith playing out...we can draft a wr in the first but that is not a big time need but our lines are on both sides....we could go LB Murray in the first and that would improve our defense then go either OL or DL with the other pick. In the second we can go after a wr

WR IMO is a much bigger need than DL. We have 3 good DL and several potential options for the other tackle spot. WR we have one NFL caliber player.

There are two good DL. Odenigbo was a solid rotational guy last season, he isn't good yet. Might be the next great DE, but he might also be the next Tom Johnson.

The vikings realistically need a big upgrade a 3 tech and LDE to be one of the better defenses next season. It's as big a gaping hole as WR and CB imo. Oh, and guard.

[Vikings09]

I’m for getting one of the top wide receivers but if we do not protect Cousins then having that receiver will do us no good...sign Peters!!!!!!!!

[VikingsVictorious]

WR IMO is a much bigger need than DL. We have 3 good DL and several potential options for the other tackle spot. WR we have one NFL caliber player.

There are two good DL. Odenigbo was a solid rotational guy last season, he isn't good yet. Might be the next great DE, but he might also be the next Tom Johnson.

The vikings realistically need a big upgrade a 3 tech and LDE to be one of the better defenses next season. It's as big a gaping hole as WR and CB imo. Oh, and guard.

100% disagreement. Odenigbo is not only ready to start he is ready to be very good. For the 3T we don't have a star but with the plethora of possibilities there we should be able to come up with somebody who doesn't totally suck. With 3 out of 4 good and one that hopefully doesn't totally suck we have a better than average D line. Can we upgrade? Yes. Is it a dire need? NO!!!
OL was already acknowledged as a need particularly guard. What was being discussed was the level of need for the DL which is IMO pretty minor. With how bad you think we are at almost every position I can't believe you expect us to get more than 2 wins.