Chiefs post game

[J. Kapp 11]

If I had a “man crush” on him, I wouldn’t be pointing out his mistakes. I did that more than once. But there were much bigger problems today. The problem wasn’t Kirk cousins. Like I’ve said 10 times, if it wasn’t for cousins, we wouldn’t have been in the game at all. He answered time after time when KC went up. If you get past your hate for him, maybe you’d see that.

I agree this loss wasn't on Cousins...But how many plays did Kirk make in the 4th to win it when he had the chance....

I don't want to dive into the muck here, but I gotta address this.

Look at the play chart. Go back and watch the fourth quarter. Cousins had no chance in the fourth. I'm not sure what was going on, but suddenly the playcalling descended into the abyss. Almost as if Mike Zimmer ordered Kevin Stefanski to stop trying to score. It was horrible. The Vikings didn't put their offensive players in position to win. Hopefully they'll admit as much this week.

I had no problem with most of the game. Yeah, Cousins missed some throws he should have made. But he also brought the Vikings from behind on more than one occasion. The defense, in my opinion, played well except for two big plays. Yes, that's a big exception, but we recovered from those. KC was oh-fer in the red zone. We came up with five sacks and would have had a sixth if Zimmer hadn't popped a brain fart and called time out. The Chiefs got another big play on an obvious pick by Watkins that the NFL botched in review. I mean, why even have the freaking replay on PI? They HAD to reverse the call on Treadwell or else there would have been hell to pay in the league office.

My problem came in the fourth quarter, when we suddenly went to the Woody Hayes "three yards and a cloud of dust" offensive system. Only ... three yards would have been an improvement. The playcalling late was simply abysmal. When we had the ball tied with 2:40 to play, we didn't even try to win the game. You guys want to talk about what happens in the clutch ... the Vikings coaching staff biffed it in the clutch.

[halfgiz]

It would never happen, but I would like to see Edwards call the defensive plays.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Without going back and reading every post again, I don't remember seeing anyone blaming Cousins solely for this loss. We saw the good and the bad in Cousins, our defense, our special teams, and our coaching today. If anyone of those would have reversed one or two of the bad, then we may have won. My opinion hasn't changed. We have championship level receivers, and running backs. We don't have championship level QB, defense or special teams. (or probably coaching either) And that's not based on this one game. That's based on all the games this season to date.

You can say that about almost any team in the NFL. The chiefs have a SB caliber WR, TE and QB. But not RB or defense. The falcons have a SB caliber QB and WR but not defense. The bears have a SB caliber defense but not offense.

Is anyone going to say Nick Foles was a SB caliber QB? I sure hope not but he won one. I don’t buy that analysis. It’s a very vague way of looking at things. You need a TEAM that is SB caliber or may not be SB caliber but playing at a SB caliber level. We were for a stretch. Not reason we couldn’t do that again this year.

[808vikingsfan]

I think I've stated that all phases were to blame for this loss, including Cousins. But that's the nature of being a qb, you touch the ball so much, you obviously have a more direct effect on the outcome of games. But like the CHI game, his missed passes today could have made the difference between winning and losing. I think we can say the same for GB and Rodgers. He was probably the difference in a couple of wins so far this year. Cousins had some nice intermediate throws today, but he never gave his receivers a chance. He played scared. His performance was part of the reason they lost today, including some questionable play calling and a couple of big plays given up by the D

His performance today was nowhere comparable to the Chicago game. He was sacked once today. 6 times vs Chicago. He threw 3 TDs, 0 vs Chicago. We put up 23 points today, 6 vs Chicago. No less he had Thielen in that Chicago game. It's not comparable.

I'm specifically talking about the missed deep ball to Thielen vs CHI, and the missed deep ball to Diggs today. Cousins needs to hit those when they are there. The D could have played better, but so could Cousins. I just have this feeling there were a lot of plays left on the field that were missed.

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Cousins dumps it short to Treadwell. Off target but it does hit Treadwell in one of the hands. Punt.

Diggs was wide open downfield and is pretty aware of that fact

Because Cousins is very one dimensional, they can't afford not to take advantage of those.

Interested to see how this team bounces back. Overall, I thought this team fought hard today. Fun game to watch.

[Raz]

Figures the puckers would lose. I didn't see the game but listened to it after that last td they disappeared.
I did watch zimmers press conference and is pisses me off they ask him a question and he has no answer just stumbles and mumbles and says he didn't see it. Well I'm sorry your in charge of everything so u damn well better see it.
I was a huge supporter of him and his ways but no more IMHO he is the reason for the mediocre play.

[halfgiz]

I agree this loss wasn't on Cousins...But how many plays did Kirk make in the 4th to win it when he had the chance....

I don't want to dive into the muck here, but I gotta address this.

Look at the play chart. Go back and watch the fourth quarter. Cousins had no chance in the fourth. I'm not sure what was going on, but suddenly the playcalling descended into the abyss. Almost as if Mike Zimmer ordered Kevin Stefanski to stop trying to score. It was horrible. The Vikings didn't put their offensive players in position to win. Hopefully they'll admit as much this week.

I had no problem with most of the game. Yeah, Cousins missed some throws he should have made. But he also brought the Vikings from behind on more than one occasion. The defense, in my opinion, played well except for two big plays. Yes, that's a big exception, but we recovered from those. KC was oh-fer in the red zone. We came up with five sacks and would have had a sixth if Zimmer hadn't popped a brain fart and called time out. The Chiefs got another big play on an obvious pick by Watkins that the NFL botched in review. I mean, why even have the freaking replay on PI? They HAD to reverse the call on Treadwell or else there would have been hell to pay in the league office.

My problem came in the fourth quarter, when we suddenly went to the Woody Hayes "three yards and a cloud of dust" offensive system. Only ... three yards would have been an improvement. The playcalling late was simply abysmal. When we had the ball tied with 2:40 to play, we didn't even try to win the game. You guys want to talk about what happens in the clutch ... the Vikings coaching staff biffed it in the clutch.

Cousins had 12 over throws today...a career high. And he was 0-9 when under pressure.
Not really the kind of day we needed from him. But agree with you on the play calling late in the 4th. I would like to really know how much Zimmer is involved.

[TSonn]

I understand the argument that both sides didn't play well today. I don't agree with it but the last offensive possession was garbage. Don't really know if it was really Cousins or anyone's fault (maybe Stefanski) but the Chiefs just stepped up and played tough and motivated defense when they needed to (unlike us).

My main issue, though, and why I get so frustrated with our Zimmer-led team is we have 3 first round draft picks and 1 second round draft pick as our starting/main CBs. And our coach is supposedly a DB genius. I have HIGH expectations for that set of guys to play well. But letting defenses get what they need when they need it has been a constant with Zimmer. I can understand it when Brees does it to us in the divisional round because Brees is great but today was Matt (not the first time he beat Zimmer) Moore, a guy who was retired 2 months ago. That is unacceptable and that's why I blame the defense today.

With that amount of talent at CB with our "genius" DB coach we should be able to get stops when we them. Our guys were either drafted way too high or they are being coached lower than their talent level.

[J. Kapp 11]

The big-play touchdowns were just gut busters today, especially the run. It's the thing we've been really good at on defense ... preventing the big play. And for most of the day, Kansas City struggled.

But that 91-yard run. Wow. That one hurt. If there was one play on defense that cost us the game, that was it. Hill is so fast ... he'll burn you every now and then. But that run killed us. The chances of them driving the length of the field against our D were pretty minimal. That play won the game for KC, IMO.

[StumpHunter]

I agree this loss wasn't on Cousins...But how many plays did Kirk make in the 4th to win it when he had the chance....

I don't want to dive into the muck here, but I gotta address this.

Look at the play chart. Go back and watch the fourth quarter. Cousins had no chance in the fourth. I'm not sure what was going on, but suddenly the playcalling descended into the abyss. Almost as if Mike Zimmer ordered Kevin Stefanski to stop trying to score. It was horrible. The Vikings didn't put their offensive players in position to win. Hopefully they'll admit as much this week.

I had no problem with most of the game. Yeah, Cousins missed some throws he should have made. But he also brought the Vikings from behind on more than one occasion. The defense, in my opinion, played well except for two big plays. Yes, that's a big exception, but we recovered from those. KC was oh-fer in the red zone. We came up with five sacks and would have had a sixth if Zimmer hadn't popped a brain fart and called time out. The Chiefs got another big play on an obvious pick by Watkins that the NFL botched in review. I mean, why even have the freaking replay on PI? They HAD to reverse the call on Treadwell or else there would have been hell to pay in the league office.

My problem came in the fourth quarter, when we suddenly went to the Woody Hayes "three yards and a cloud of dust" offensive system. Only ... three yards would have been an improvement. The playcalling late was simply abysmal. When we had the ball tied with 2:40 to play, we didn't even try to win the game. You guys want to talk about what happens in the clutch ... the Vikings coaching staff biffed it in the clutch.

Sounds to me like you are giving all of the credit to Cousins for the Vikings TD drives, none to the OC, and are minimizing the QBs roll in the failed drives, and placing most of the blame on the OC.

Let me ask you this. If the QB is struggling with basic throws, do you think that might affect how the OC calls a game?

[Pondering Her Percy]

I agree this loss wasn't on Cousins...But how many plays did Kirk make in the 4th to win it when he had the chance....

I don't want to dive into the muck here, but I gotta address this.

Look at the play chart. Go back and watch the fourth quarter. Cousins had no chance in the fourth. I'm not sure what was going on, but suddenly the playcalling descended into the abyss. Almost as if Mike Zimmer ordered Kevin Stefanski to stop trying to score. It was horrible. The Vikings didn't put their offensive players in position to win. Hopefully they'll admit as much this week.

I had no problem with most of the game. Yeah, Cousins missed some throws he should have made. But he also brought the Vikings from behind on more than one occasion. The defense, in my opinion, played well except for two big plays. Yes, that's a big exception, but we recovered from those. KC was oh-fer in the red zone. We came up with five sacks and would have had a sixth if Zimmer hadn't popped a brain fart and called time out. The Chiefs got another big play on an obvious pick by Watkins that the NFL botched in review. I mean, why even have the freaking replay on PI? They HAD to reverse the call on Treadwell or else there would have been hell to pay in the league office.

My problem came in the fourth quarter, when we suddenly went to the Woody Hayes "three yards and a cloud of dust" offensive system. Only ... three yards would have been an improvement. The playcalling late was simply abysmal. When we had the ball tied with 2:40 to play, we didn't even try to win the game. You guys want to talk about what happens in the clutch ... the Vikings coaching staff biffed it in the clutch.

EXACTLY!! I was saying earlier that stefanski choked on those last two drives. Cousins had zero chance. Runs that went nowhere, a batted ball, a horrid screen ran to Irv that lost 7 yards. Holding on Kline. 6 plays for -7 yards on the final 2 drives of the game. Cousins had an incompletion on the 1st of the 2 drives, then -3 for cook to make it 3rd and 13 and we ran again with cook and got a holding penalty and punted. The 2nd drive was a batted ball at the line, -7 yard screen to Irv and were caught in a 3rd and 17 where cousins nearly got sacked.

So what do we blame cousins for on those two drives? That he had 1 pass batted down. Darn him, really holding us back there Kirk

I swear some of you guys just hunt for shi* to complain about with cousins. I’m surprised some of you know what other players do each game because you’re so focused on what fuc# up cousins made that idk how you focus on anything else.

Nobody is saying cousins played like an all star but anyone that says cousins held us back today must’ve been on some good shi* while they were watching the game.

We go down 7-0, cousins gets them right back to bring it to 7-7. We go down 10-7, we come back down to tie it 10-10. He throws a TD to get to 16-10, they come down and score. We go down 20-16, he comes right back and throws a TD.

Like you guys already have your minds made up. Any loss whether he plays out of his mind or terrible will fall on his shoulders in your guys’ eyes. A game like this proved that. I’ve never in my life seen such a “punching bag” of a player like I have cousins with some of you guys. I’ve never seen finger pointing like I have the last two years. It’s the worst it’s ever been. I honestly think ponder had it better. Hell teddy was a god and never did a damn thing for this team. I’ll never understand it. Being criticized for bad play is one thing, getting criticized every time you lose no matter if you played good or like crap is another.

With how this defense played today, how bad the play calling was at the end, how our ST was garbage, how zimmer was out coached today and THIS is what we are talking about....just absurd

[S197]

The big-play touchdowns were just gut busters today, especially the run. It's the thing we've been really good at on defense ... preventing the big play. And for most of the day, Kansas City struggled.

But that 91-yard run. Wow. That one hurt. If there was one play on defense that cost us the game, that was it. Hill is so fast ... he'll burn you every now and then. But that run killed us. The chances of them driving the length of the field against our D were pretty minimal. That play won the game for KC, IMO.

Definitely a momentum changer. It was a huge hole but both safties also missed their respective tackles. I almost think Smith shouldn't have gambled with the dive and chased him down.

[J. Kapp 11]

I don't want to dive into the muck here, but I gotta address this.

Look at the play chart. Go back and watch the fourth quarter. Cousins had no chance in the fourth. I'm not sure what was going on, but suddenly the playcalling descended into the abyss. Almost as if Mike Zimmer ordered Kevin Stefanski to stop trying to score. It was horrible. The Vikings didn't put their offensive players in position to win. Hopefully they'll admit as much this week.

I had no problem with most of the game. Yeah, Cousins missed some throws he should have made. But he also brought the Vikings from behind on more than one occasion. The defense, in my opinion, played well except for two big plays. Yes, that's a big exception, but we recovered from those. KC was oh-fer in the red zone. We came up with five sacks and would have had a sixth if Zimmer hadn't popped a brain fart and called time out. The Chiefs got another big play on an obvious pick by Watkins that the NFL botched in review. I mean, why even have the freaking replay on PI? They HAD to reverse the call on Treadwell or else there would have been hell to pay in the league office.

My problem came in the fourth quarter, when we suddenly went to the Woody Hayes "three yards and a cloud of dust" offensive system. Only ... three yards would have been an improvement. The playcalling late was simply abysmal. When we had the ball tied with 2:40 to play, we didn't even try to win the game. You guys want to talk about what happens in the clutch ... the Vikings coaching staff biffed it in the clutch.

Cousins had 12 over throws today...a career high. And he was 0-9 when under pressure.
Not really the kind of day we needed from him. But agree with you on the play calling late in the 4th. I would like to really know how much Zimmer is involved.

I need to be more clear. Cousins definitely had an off day throwing. I didn't understand it at all. He's normally so accurate. The under-pressure stat is telling, but to me in a different way. Nine pressures when you drop back 38 times isn't bad. He just missed some easy throws, even short passes and check-downs. Just really weird for him.

To be fair, he led a couple of great 75-yard drives, including a 5-minute drive at the end of the third, into the fourth. And what kills me ... we finally got our running game going, with 35 yards on the last TD drive. But then after that, we stunk, and that starts with the play calling. Very frustrating.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I don't want to dive into the muck here, but I gotta address this.

Look at the play chart. Go back and watch the fourth quarter. Cousins had no chance in the fourth. I'm not sure what was going on, but suddenly the playcalling descended into the abyss. Almost as if Mike Zimmer ordered Kevin Stefanski to stop trying to score. It was horrible. The Vikings didn't put their offensive players in position to win. Hopefully they'll admit as much this week.

I had no problem with most of the game. Yeah, Cousins missed some throws he should have made. But he also brought the Vikings from behind on more than one occasion. The defense, in my opinion, played well except for two big plays. Yes, that's a big exception, but we recovered from those. KC was oh-fer in the red zone. We came up with five sacks and would have had a sixth if Zimmer hadn't popped a brain fart and called time out. The Chiefs got another big play on an obvious pick by Watkins that the NFL botched in review. I mean, why even have the freaking replay on PI? They HAD to reverse the call on Treadwell or else there would have been hell to pay in the league office.

My problem came in the fourth quarter, when we suddenly went to the Woody Hayes "three yards and a cloud of dust" offensive system. Only ... three yards would have been an improvement. The playcalling late was simply abysmal. When we had the ball tied with 2:40 to play, we didn't even try to win the game. You guys want to talk about what happens in the clutch ... the Vikings coaching staff biffed it in the clutch.

Sounds to me like you are giving all of the credit to Cousins for the Vikings TD drives, none to the OC, and are minimizing the QBs roll in the failed drives, and placing most of the blame on the OC.

Let me ask you this. If the QB is struggling with basic throws, do you think that might affect how the OC calls a game?

Lol if you think that, I’m sorry but I’m going to laugh at you. Cousins can make just about any throw he wants to. Do you REALLY think stefanski says “hmm here’s a good play but I don’t think Kirk can make that throw today so let’s call something else”??? I don’t think you could possibly be more wrong and that might be the worst attempt at defending someone I have ever seen.

Dude you are DIGGING! You dug so deep with that attempt that you might have hit the earths core

[StumpHunter]

Sounds to me like you are giving all of the credit to Cousins for the Vikings TD drives, none to the OC, and are minimizing the QBs roll in the failed drives, and placing most of the blame on the OC.

Let me ask you this. If the QB is struggling with basic throws, do you think that might affect how the OC calls a game?

Lol if you think that, I’m sorry but I’m going to laugh at you. Cousins can make just about any throw he wants to. Do you REALLY think stefanski says “hmm here’s a good play but I don’t think Kirk can make that throw today so let’s call something else”??? I don’t think you could possibly be more wrong and that might be the worst attempt at defending someone I have ever seen.

Dude you are DIGGING! You dug so deep with that attempt that you might have hit the earths core

You don't think an OC changes their play calling based on what is working and what isn't?

Interesting...

[StpViking]

As a Vikings fan, I hate losing any games. Also Zimm's defense is overrated.

As a Football fan, GREAT GAME. Could have gone either way to end. Best game of the week.

I am slightly comforted the an 0-4 performance by the NFC North. Way to under perform guys.