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[Pondering Her Percy]

They definitely don’t run block at a top level. Although I will say they don’t run block at nearly as of a level as some make it out to be. I’d say they are an average run blocking team it’s just they had an OC that was predictable and set them up for failure. There is no reason you shouldn’t be running the football when you have dalvin cook and latavius Murray back there. There could be 5 trash cans out there, it shouldn’t matter with 2 backs like that

They aren't average. Our RB was leading the league in fewest yards before contact. We simply weren't good due to blocking up front. Don't let the phins game blind you. We had 3 good performances out of 16. The rest was horrible.

3 good performances? There was way more than that. Problem was, cook was getting 10 carries a game. Even when Murray was starting he wasnt getting the ball enough outside of a couple games. There’s a huge difference between having “bad performances” and just downright not running the football.

PFF also gave Dalvin Cook the league's highest elusive rating, which combines yards after contact and broken tackles.

Cooks yards after contact was at a league high. Regardless of what’s happening prior to contact, the guys works for yards and finds ways to gain yards......but we were giving him the ball 10 times a game.....makes sense. He’s the type of player that could be getting stuffed 8 straight times but then bust a long one. For example, Detroit. He was getting next to nothing but then boom, 70 yard run. Flip, the clueless OC he was, must have thought that if Cooks not doing anything within the first 10 carries, he should stop giving him the ball. But who knows there too because he stopped giving him the ball vs NE and cook was averaging 8.9 YPC. He ran well vs Seattle too. Those teams were ASKING us to run the ball. And when we did it worked....until we stopped and played right into their hand and threw cousins 40 times a game.

Are you gonna tell me that Berger and Easton made this offense the 7th best running offense in the league with McKinnon and Murray in 2017but Compton and Remmers made it a bottom 5 rushing offense in the nfl with Cook and Murray this year? No I don’t buy it. We were averaging 4.2 YPC as a team this year. The leaders (Seattle and baltimore) we’re averaging 4.8 and 4.5. The only teams in the nfl that had significantly less carries than we did was Green Bay. There were a few others that were about 5 carries or less behind us. And if flip had the offense all year, we would have been right down there with GB for lowest attempts on the year. Philly is looked at as having one of the “better OLs in the nfl” and they were averaging 3.9 YPC as a team.

In 2017, like I said we were the 7th best rushing offense in the nfl but guess what? We were only averaging 3.9 YPC. That was bottom 10 in the nfl. But we COMMITTED to the run with Shurmur and has the 7th most rushing yards in the nfl. Also, in 2017, we had 501 rushing attempts with a worse duo in McKinnon and Murray. This year? We had 357 carries. That’s 144 LESS carries this past year. That’s like 7 games worth and that’s if we’re averaging 20 carries a game. SEVEN! There was no reason for it. We were averaging more YPC but bailed on the run early nearly every game but in 2017 we were averaging less YPC but committed to it and still gave our RBs over 30 carries a game. We went from 31 carries a game in 2017 to 22 carries a game in 2018. And like I said, that number would have been even lower if Flip was with us all season.

There is a reason Zim is saying they want to be a run first team and they need to run the ball more and so on. It’s because we didn’t do it last year. And there’s no reason to say we couldnt. Running the ball with cook 10 times a game and saying we couldn’t run the ball because we had a bad OL is a crock if you ask me. If we ran the ball with Adrian Peterson 10 times a game, his yardage wouldn’t be jumping off the chart either. I haven’t looked at it, but I could almost bet money on it, when you look at APs first 8-10 carries every game year after year, his averages weren’t great. Probably similar to what cook had at times this year.

There’s teams out there that truly can’t run the football. Teams like the Jets (bad OL and bad RBs), Tampa Bay (terrible RBs) and Arizona (terrible OL). But there are other teams out there that can but refuse to. That was us, GB, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh. GB averaged 5.0 yards a carry! That was 2nd in the nfl only behind Carolina by 0.1 yards. But they cradled Rodgers nuts and did nothing but throw the ball all the time to appease him. Just like Atlanta and Pitt did nothing but throw. Pitt had one of the best OLs in the nfl. They literally averaged the same amount of yards we did (4.2) and had 12 less carries. What’s their excuse? A bad OL? That’s definitely not true. And what’s funny about all this, the Vikings, packers, falcons and Steelers all missed the playoffs. I wonder why. That was definitely a huge reason behind it.

So that’s my point with all this, by no means did we have a good run blocking OL, but it was definitely average enough to have a successful rushing offense. Our OC legitimately refused to run the football. He gave up on the run game way to early in so many games and even gave up on it when we were having success (NE, Seattle). He was a pass happy OC that tried to make Kirk Cousins something he wasn’t. They needed balance and he had no clue how to balance an offense. Simple as that. You can’t tell me this team couldnt run the football with these two backs. They simply refused too and I’m glad Zim is taking initiative to now with Stefanski and getting Kubiak here because that’s what can get us into the playoffs and you have a stud back there that can get it done

[YikesVikes]

Are you gonna tell me that Berger and Easton made this offense the 7th best running offense in the league with McKinnon and Murray in 2017but Compton and Remmers made it a bottom 5 rushing offense in the nfl with Cook and Murray this year? No I don’t buy it. We were averaging 4.2 YPC as a team this year. The leaders (Seattle and baltimore) we’re averaging 4.8 and 4.5. The only teams in the nfl that had significantly less carries than we did was Green Bay. There were a few others that were about 5 carries or less behind us. And if flip had the offense all year, we would have been right down there with GB for lowest attempts on the year. Philly is looked at as having one of the “better OLs in the nfl” and they were averaging 3.9 YPC as a team.

No. I am telling you that a downgraded Easton, a terrible Compton, a below average run blocking Cook and Remmers playing out of position, led to us being unable to sustain blocks and open holes. We simply could not do so against average to above average defense.

In 2017, like I said we were the 7th best rushing offense in the nfl but guess what? We were only averaging 3.9 YPC. That was bottom 10 in the nfl. But we COMMITTED to the run with Shurmur and has the 7th most rushing yards in the nfl. Also, in 2017, we had 501 rushing attempts with a worse duo in McKinnon and Murray. This year? We had 357 carries. That’s 144 LESS carries this past year. That’s like 7 games worth and that’s if we’re averaging 20 carries a game. SEVEN! There was no reason for it. We were averaging more YPC but bailed on the run early nearly every game but in 2017 we were averaging less YPC but committed to it and still gave our RBs over 30 carries a game. We went from 31 carries a game in 2017 to 22 carries a game in 2018. And like I said, that number would have been even lower if Flip was with us all season.

In 2017 we had steady progression. Our runs were positive plays. In 2018 we were getting behind the sticks because many of our runs were putting us in 2nd and 13 or 2nd and 11. Gaining 3 yards on 1st down is a bit more promising than losing 3. That lead to a lot of short drives and us falling behind in games.

There is a reason Zim is saying they want to be a run first team and they need to run the ball more and so on. It’s because we didn’t do it last year. And there’s no reason to say we couldnt. Running the ball with cook 10 times a game and saying we couldn’t run the ball because we had a bad OL is a crock if you ask me. If we ran the ball with Adrian Peterson 10 times a game, his yardage wouldn’t be jumping off the chart either. I haven’t looked at it, but I could almost bet money on it, when you look at APs first 8-10 carries every game year after year, his averages weren’t great. Probably similar to what cook had at times this year.

Zim says a lot of things. If you can't block, you cant run. He being limited on the offensive side of the ball may not understand all that goes into that. We werent running 10 times a game. We were running 22 and we only had 3 100 hard games i believe (from memory).

There’s teams out there that truly can’t run the football. Teams like the Jets (bad OL and bad RBs), Tampa Bay (terrible RBs) and Arizona (terrible OL). But there are other teams out there that can but refuse to. That was us, GB, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh. GB averaged 5.0 yards a carry! That was 2nd in the nfl only behind Carolina by 0.1 yards. But they cradled Rodgers nuts and did nothing but throw the ball all the time to appease him. Just like Atlanta and Pitt did nothing but throw. Pitt had one of the best OLs in the nfl. They literally averaged the same amount of yards we did (4.2) and had 12 less carries. What’s their excuse? A bad OL? That’s definitely not true. And what’s funny about all this, the Vikings, packers, falcons and Steelers all missed the playoffs. I wonder why. That was definitely a huge reason behind it.

Not sure what you saw out there in 2018 that made you believe we weren't one of those teams you listed. Thanks to Cook we looked better than we even were. Dude was averaging a yard (from handoff) before contact.

So that’s my point with all this, by no means did we have a good run blocking OL, but it was definitely average enough to have a successful rushing offense. Our OC legitimately refused to run the football. He gave up on the run game way to early in so many games and even gave up on it when we were having success (NE, Seattle). He was a pass happy OC that tried to make Kirk Cousins something he wasn’t. They needed balance and he had no clue how to balance an offense. Simple as that. You can’t tell me this team couldnt run the football with these two backs. They simply refused too and I’m glad Zim is taking initiative to now with Stefanski and getting Kubiak here because that’s what can get us into the playoffs and you have a stud back there that can get it done

We were 29th or so in rushing. How can you label that as average even when you account for being 5th worst in rushing attempts. We were bad. No need to dig our heads in the sand. I hope we correct it. RUshing 12 times for nothing and then breaking an 80 yard gain is not good rush offense. Those other 12 attempts stalled 8 drives.

[YikesVikes]

Week 11. I picked randomly.

1. 3rd and inches. We get blown up in the backfield on a run with our power guy. Pause at 4 seconds. The entire left side of the defense is on our side of the line. 0 push. RT loses, RG loses, Center loses. Remmers is 3 yards in the backfield. Murry is cutting 4 yards from the LOS. Average Olines don't have these issues on short yardage.

2. 1:35. Oniel gets blown up and holds but no flag. The hold saves the play after a fantastic cut by Cook.

3. 147. Cook runs up the middle. 0 movement. A wall of white moves no one. creates no holes. Cook tucks his head and ball gets punched out. Fumble.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWG1IJQ5aA

[Pondering Her Percy]

No. I am telling you that a downgraded Easton, a terrible Compton, a below average run blocking Cook and Remmers playing out of position, led to us being unable to sustain blocks and open holes. We simply could not do so against average to above average defense.

Again, what games are you looking at?! New England, Seattle and Detroit were all top 15 run defenses (10th, 11th and 13th) that cook ran well against. New Orleans was #2 overall that Murray ran well against. How many carries did those backs get in those games? Cook: 10, 10, 13. Murray: 13. That is REFUSAL to run the football. That’s the definition of not knowing how to balance an offense.

In 2017 we had steady progression. Our runs were positive plays. In 2018 we were getting behind the sticks because many of our runs were putting us in 2nd and 13 or 2nd and 11. Gaining 3 yards on 1st down is a bit more promising than losing 3. That lead to a lot of short drives and us falling behind in games.

You’ve mentioned this before and I still don’t buy it. One, that was happening very little if at all with the teams I listed above. Two, even if it happened 2-3 times, that means it’s ok to give the ball to cook 10 times a game? No? Do you know how many times that happened to AP over his career? More than anyone could count. They didn’t stop giving him the ball.

Zim says a lot of things. If you can't block, you cant run. He being limited on the offensive side of the ball may not understand all that goes into that. We werent running 10 times a game. We were running 22 and we only had 3 100 hard games i believe (from memory).

It’s not just “Zim says a lot of things”. He eventually fired this guy because he refused to listen to him and pound the football. All he’s talked about is running the football. It’s not just him saying it because he feels like it. The guy has been around football his whole life and has overseen some very successful backfields. Don’t try and tell me he “doesn’t know what goes into running the football”. And somehow John Defillippo does. And when I said “10 times a game” you know what I was referring to. That’s how much our starter was carrying the ball. I mentioned in the post we averaged 22 carries a game as a team. We averaged 31 in 2017!! 22 carries is not acceptable. No less almost 3 of those carries per game was Cousins. So between dalvin Cook and latavius Murray, we were carrying the football roughly 19 times a game total. That is pathetic and REFUSAL to run the football.

We were 29th or so in rushing. How can you label that as average even when you account for being 5th worst in rushing attempts. We were bad. No need to dig our heads in the sand. I hope we correct it. RUshing 12 times for nothing and then breaking an 80 yard gain is not good rush offense. Those other 12 attempts stalled 8 drives.

We were 29th in rushing because we weren’t running the football!! Why is that hard to understand? Any team that had less than 360 carries was 21st or lower in rushing offense. I continue to bring up Pittsburgh. Nobody was saying they “couldn’t” run the football. They had the back to do it. They had an elite OL. But they refused. We had two backs that could do it. One that’s better than James Conner. And we had nearly identical rushing stats as Pitt did. But yet we “couldn’t run the football because we had a bad OL”. Conner was 27 yards short of 1000. But they had nearly an identical rushing offense as ours. Almost the same total yards, same average YPC, nearly the same amount of attempts, less yards per game, less 20+ yard runs, etc. Nobody is saying they couldn’t run the football. No they just refused to just like we did. They COULD. Look what Conner did when he was getting 20+ carries a game. Look what he did when he wasn’t. Look what cook and Murray did when they were either individually getting 19+ carries or combined getting 30. Bad teams or not. They both showed they could clearly do it against good run teams but it always came to a stop at 13 carries at the most. Because Flip refused.

There was no reason to stop running the football against Detroit, New England, Seattle and New Orleans. I always says Bobby Wagner said it after the Seattle game “we watched film on them and had a good idea of what they would do and they came out and did exactly what we thought they’d do”. That was pass the damn football. New England and Seattle started doubling and tripling diggs and Thielen no less because they knew that no matter what, we wouldn’t stick to the run. Nothing was worse than the NE game. How do you have 9 carries for 84 yards (9.3 YPC) with cook and just stop? Like WTF!! Just talking about it fires me up! And then of course soon after that Bill Belichick embarrasses you because you’re so predictable. It’s like Flip was trying too hard to get our offense back from week 4 vs LA where we’re going toe to toe with the best offense in the nfl. The only reason that happened is because the rams DBs were pathetic.

You don’t run the football, you don’t win football games. That’s showed with not just the Vikings but other teams this year. They COULD do it. They just refused. Yeah we were shut down vs Chicago and a few others but there were plenty of games where we stopped running the football when we’re averaging over 4 yards a carry or well over that. You don’t give up on a running game because of a few carries that went for a loss or no gain. If all OCs did that when they had negative plays or no gains, no teams would never run the football.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Week 11. I picked randomly.

1. 3rd and inches. We get blown up in the backfield on a run with our power guy. Pause at 4 seconds. The entire left side of the defense is on our side of the line. 0 push. RT loses, RG loses, Center loses. Remmers is 3 yards in the backfield. Murry is cutting 4 yards from the LOS. Average Olines don't have these issues on short yardage.

2. 1:35. Oniel gets blown up and holds but no flag. The hold saves the play after a fantastic cut by Cook.

3. 147. Cook runs up the middle. 0 movement. A wall of white moves no one. creates no holes. Cook tucks his head and ball gets punched out. Fumble.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWG1IJQ5aA

You “randomly pick” and it happens to be the game at Chicago (the #1 best run defense and overall defense in the NFL) and the same defense that shut down the Rams and held Todd Gurley to 28 rushing yards........

[StumpHunter]

Week 11. I picked randomly.

1. 3rd and inches. We get blown up in the backfield on a run with our power guy. Pause at 4 seconds. The entire left side of the defense is on our side of the line. 0 push. RT loses, RG loses, Center loses. Remmers is 3 yards in the backfield. Murry is cutting 4 yards from the LOS. Average Olines don't have these issues on short yardage.

2. 1:35. Oniel gets blown up and holds but no flag. The hold saves the play after a fantastic cut by Cook.

3. 147. Cook runs up the middle. 0 movement. A wall of white moves no one. creates no holes. Cook tucks his head and ball gets punched out. Fumble.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWG1IJQ5aA

You “randomly pick” and it happens to be the game at Chicago (the #1 best run defense and overall defense in the NFL) and the same defense that shut down the Rams and held Todd Gurley to 28 rushing yards........

You don't need to "randomly pick" a game to know that the short yardage runs just did not work in 2018.

2018 on any down, with 2 yards or less to gain:
45 rushes, 26 1st downs, converting 57.8% of their first downs.

That percentage was 29th in the NFL(despite having the 2nd shortest yardage to gain) and that had very little to do with the OC.

[Pondering Her Percy]

You “randomly pick” and it happens to be the game at Chicago (the #1 best run defense and overall defense in the NFL) and the same defense that shut down the Rams and held Todd Gurley to 28 rushing yards........

You don't need to "randomly pick" a game to know that the short yardage runs just did not work in 2018.

2018 on any down, with 2 yards or less to gain:
45 rushes, 26 1st downs, converting 57.8% of their first downs.

That percentage was 29th in the NFL(despite having the 2nd shortest yardage to gain) and that had very little to do with the OC.

That’s on any down with 2 yards or less. Ok so we weren’t good in short yardage situations? What did that just prove? You found a stat to “support” your argument. I think there is plenty in my above post that shows we could run the football if we really wanted do. Flip didn’t. That couldn’t be more obvious. Not sure when the 2 yards or less argument became some big factor and an excuse as to why Flip didn’t run it. It’s a nitpicked stat. There’s a much bigger picture than that and there’s plenty of proof that we could run the football but avoided doing it.

[StumpHunter]

You don't need to "randomly pick" a game to know that the short yardage runs just did not work in 2018.

2018 on any down, with 2 yards or less to gain:
45 rushes, 26 1st downs, converting 57.8% of their first downs.

That percentage was 29th in the NFL(despite having the 2nd shortest yardage to gain) and that had very little to do with the OC.

That’s on any down with 2 yards or less. Ok so we weren’t good in short yardage situations? What did that just prove? You found a stat to “support” your argument. I think there is plenty in my above post that shows we could run the football if we really wanted do. Flip didn’t. That couldn’t be more obvious. Not sure when the 2 yards or less argument became some big factor and an excuse as to why Flip didn’t run it. It’s a nitpicked stat. There’s a much bigger picture than that and there’s plenty of proof that we could run the football but avoided doing it.

It proves that the Vikings struggled to run the football when teams were setup defensively to stop the run. Arguably worse at it than any other team in football besides the Raiders (the only team with a worse YPA in that situation).

[Pondering Her Percy]

That’s on any down with 2 yards or less. Ok so we weren’t good in short yardage situations? What did that just prove? You found a stat to “support” your argument. I think there is plenty in my above post that shows we could run the football if we really wanted do. Flip didn’t. That couldn’t be more obvious. Not sure when the 2 yards or less argument became some big factor and an excuse as to why Flip didn’t run it. It’s a nitpicked stat. There’s a much bigger picture than that and there’s plenty of proof that we could run the football but avoided doing it.

It proves that the Vikings struggled to run the football when teams were setup defensively to stop the run. Arguably worse at it than any other team in football besides the Raiders (the only team with a worse YPA in that situation).

Ok? And how often were teams stacking the box against us? All we did was throw. That’s a poor excuse to not run the football. “Well in short yardage we get stuffed so we just can’t run the ball”. Like come on.... In no way, shape or form should that effect if you run the ball each week or not and implement balance into this offense. Nor does it prove anything. You’re picking a specific situation in the running game that didn’t go well for us but completely miss the big picture. I’ve yet to see anyone respond to the Pittsburgh argument and how they had near the same attempts, YPA, yards, etc and nobody said “the Steelers can’t run the football”. They just chose not to. As did we

[halfgiz]

And the Steelers didn't make the playoffs. First time they missed the playoffs since 2013.

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Anyone know how we fared on 1st down runs compared to the league? I recall a lot of 2nd and longs because of 1 or 2 yard runs on 1st down (if not negative).

[StumpHunter]

It proves that the Vikings struggled to run the football when teams were setup defensively to stop the run. Arguably worse at it than any other team in football besides the Raiders (the only team with a worse YPA in that situation).

Ok? And how often were teams stacking the box against us? All we did was throw. That’s a poor excuse to not run the football. “Well in short yardage we get stuffed so we just can’t run the ball”. Like come on.... In no way, shape or form should that effect if you run the ball each week or not and implement balance into this offense. Nor does it prove anything. You’re picking a specific situation in the running game that didn’t go well for us but completely miss the big picture. I’ve yet to see anyone respond to the Pittsburgh argument and how they had near the same attempts, YPA, yards, etc and nobody said “the Steelers can’t run the football”. They just chose not to. As did we

That makes no sense. The Vikings would have run consistently if they were able to run consistently.

I admit, I think JDF could have run more, but this team was always going to be a poor rushing team. A large part of their "success" running the football came when teams were selling out to stop the pass and a run was not expected. JDF should have run against those types of fronts more often, but eventually teams would adapt and take that away. YPA would have dropped, and a QB who struggled the most on 3rd down would have to convert more of those at longer distances.

[StumpHunter]

Anyone know how we fared on 1st down runs compared to the league? I recall a lot of 2nd and longs because of 1 or 2 yard runs on 1st down (if not negative).

They were an above average rushing team on 1st down. 14th in YPA.

The problem wasn't that they couldn't get yards on 1st and 2nd, it was that converting on 3rd down was a near impossibility.

They were the 11th worst at converting on 3rd down, despite having the 8th shortest distance to gain.

[Pondering Her Percy]

And the Steelers didn't make the playoffs. First time they missed the playoffs since 2013.

Yeah they missed the playoffs and a big reason for that was abandoning the run game when they didn’t need to. Conner had nearly 1000 yards and they were one of the “worst” running teams in the nfl. And had an elite OL. It made no sense. Bottom line was, they could run the ball and didn’t. Just like we did

[Pondering Her Percy]

Ok? And how often were teams stacking the box against us? All we did was throw. That’s a poor excuse to not run the football. “Well in short yardage we get stuffed so we just can’t run the ball”. Like come on.... In no way, shape or form should that effect if you run the ball each week or not and implement balance into this offense. Nor does it prove anything. You’re picking a specific situation in the running game that didn’t go well for us but completely miss the big picture. I’ve yet to see anyone respond to the Pittsburgh argument and how they had near the same attempts, YPA, yards, etc and nobody said “the Steelers can’t run the football”. They just chose not to. As did we

That makes no sense. The Vikings would have run consistently if they were able to run consistently.

I admit, I think JDF could have run more, but this team was always going to be a poor rushing team. A large part of their "success" running the football came when teams were selling out to stop the pass and a run was not expected. JDF should have run against those types of fronts more often, but eventually teams would adapt and take that away. YPA would have dropped, and a QB who struggled the most on 3rd down would have to convert more of those at longer distances.

What doesn’t make sense about that? You make it sound like Flip wanted to run the ball but couldn’t. That’s proved to not be true. He had multiple games where his backs were running well and he still didn’t surpass 13 carries with any of them.

And our “success” came when teams were selling out for the pass? YEAH that’s the point of balancing an offense. It opens up everything. The pass game, the play action game, the run game, etc. If you’re going into a game throwing 30 times and running 30 times, you’re balancing an offense! Look at what Shurmur did in 2017. That’s exactly what he did and it was successful. There’s no reason when you’re getting a better passer than Keenum and a better RB in cook, that your offense should go backwards as much as it did. I don’t care who is on the OL. Our offense drastically dipped as the season went on because all we were doing was throwing the football. So teams sit there and play the pass. Yeah obviously Flip should have ran more then too. Do you realize how much better our rushing offense would be if we ran when we were suppose to? It sure wouldn’t be where it was at years end. Bottom line was, this offense had zero balance and it wasn’t because the OL “couldn’t run block”. Flip never tried to balance it.

Like how is it that in 4 games, you’re RBs are averaging over 4 yards a carry and you didn’t give your starter more than 13 carries? 2 of those games you didn’t give them over 10 carries. And then against other teams when your running game doesn’t start off well, you abandon it after 10 carries. I literally remember games where AP had like 10 carries for 7 yards and he still ended up getting the ball over 20 times by the end of the game and would still pull off 80 yards rushing. Yeah he was a freak but you can’t sit there and tell me cook can’t do that. He literally did. Stuffed on his first 6-8 carries vs Detroit and then busts a 70 yarder. I remember AP specifically doing that vs Denver in 2015.

Your short yardage argument has nothing to do with anything. That’s not why we didn’t run the ball under Flip. That’s not why Cook or Murray were getting 12 carries a game. That’s a poor excuse to not run the football. You’re never going to have success with it unless you commit to it. Especially with the talent you have back there. If you have Matt Asiata all year, yeah it probably wouldn’t work because he sucked. But you have two studs. You could have 5 high school lineman out there, those two are going to make plays. Flip didn’t allow them to. He was a pass happy OC that had no clue how to balance an offense.

Flip coordinated two offenses in his nfl coaching career. He never ran the ball over 380 times and never passed less than 606 times. That’s the definition of unbalanced. That QB that you think is elite, Russell Wilson, has broke 500 throws in a season 2 times in 7 years. And those 2 years were when lynch faded or wasn’t there. One of those years they missed the playoffs. Flip hasn’t thrown a QB less than 600 before. And nobody has had worse offensive lines over the years than the Seahawks. And neither of those 2 years of flip running an offense, did he have an elite QB but he STILL threw 600 times a year. He doesn’t know how to balance an offense!!! Period!!