Vikings-Cardinals final play thoughts

[Mothman]

The problem with your logic is that not all teams are made equal, you are essentially saying that even though Wilson's production himself doesn't warrant his contract, his teammates production does in his stead.

No, I'm saying there's more to playing QB, and getting paid, than statistical production. Wilson's production has been good and it seems to be improving but he also provides leadership, a great fit for the team, and more. They're winning with him. They're contenders that have been to back-to-back Super Bowls and are currently playing like they could fight their way back to a third. He fits what they're doing and keeping him provides continuity and stability at the most important position in the game. When a team finds a player like that, they can pay him market value, make him happy and maintain that continuity or they can worry too much about the numbers, decide to let someone else pay him and go off in search of another QB.

And to answer your question, they are payed to do there job as well as possible, just as every other player on the roster.

... and above all, to win. That involves more than just statistical production, although the latter is obviously important.

On top of all that, in terms of guaranteed money (which is what really matters), he's not in the top 3 anyway and he doesn't even have one of the top 10 highest QB salaries this season so what are we arguing about here?

[Jordysghost]

No, I'm saying there's more to playing QB, and getting paid, than statistical production. Wilson's production has been good and it seems to be improving but he also provides leadership, a great fit for the team, and more. They're winning with him. They're contenders that have been to back-to-back Super Bowls and are currently playing like they could fight their way back to a third. He fits what they're doing and keeping him provides continuity and stability at the most important position in the game. When a team finds a player like that, they can pay him market value, make him happy and maintain that continuity or they can worry too much about the numbers, decide to let someone else pay him and go off in search of another QB.
... and above all, to win. That involves more than just statistical production, although the latter is obviously important.

On top of all that, in terms of guaranteed money (which is what really matters), he's not in the top 3 anyway and he doesn't even have one of the top 10 highest QB salaries this season so what are we arguing about here?

What top QB wouldn't fit/win with the Seahawks? Rewarding a player above his on field production because the team is winning seems awfully short sighted.

When the deal was signed, and still now in present day, as your first link indicates, Wilson had the second highest average per year, at 21.9 mil right behind what was at the time the top deal in football, Aaron Rodger's 22 mil, so yea, I still feel comfortable stating that Wilson is overpayed.

Your second link has less to do with overall deals, and more to do with how they are structured, your first link only proves my point.

[Mothman]

What top QB wouldn't fit the Seahawks?

They didn't have their choice of the field so that's really not relevant. Wilson's the QB they had and could retain. It's not like they had the option to just go shopping and choose the top NFL QB they found most preferable.

When the deal was signed, Wilson had the second highest average per year, at 21.9 mil right behind what was at the time the top deal in football, Aaron Rodger's 22 mil, so yea, I still feel comfortable stating that Wilson is overpayed.

... and you obviously have no interest in reconsidering that position so I'd say we've reached an impasse.

[Jordysghost]

They didn't have their choice of the field so that's really not relevant. Wilson's the QB they had and could retain. It's not like they had the option to just go shopping and choose the top NFL QB they found most preferable.
... and you obviously have no interest in reconsidering that position so I'd say we've reached an impasse.

I don't think that is a fair assessment, your links did nothing but assert my notion that he is being payed as a top 3 player at his position, which his on field production clearly doesn't bear out.

[Mothman]

I don't think that is a fair assessment, your links did nothing but assert my notion that he is being payed as a top 3 player at his position, which his on field production clearly doesn't bear out.

Like I said, we're done.

[Jordysghost]

Are you breaking up with me?

[Jordysghost]

But seriously, I have no problem dropping the subject but I refute the idea that it is because I am unwilling the reconsider my position, because I don't feel that to be the case at all.

[Raptorman]

I don't think that is a fair assessment, your links did nothing but assert my notion that he is being payed as a top 3 player at his position, which his on field production clearly doesn't bear out.

What other top QB's have helped bring their team to the Super Bowl the last 2 out of 3 years. Wait, the Super Bowl is irrelevant. So what the reason for Rodgers big contract? Must be stats. But lets take the top 4 QB's based on average $$$$.

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Rodgers     $22.0 mil year
Wilson      $21.9 mil year
Big Ben     $21.85 mil year
E. Manning  $21.0 mil year. 

Now, what to do they all have in common? Well, 3 of them have 2 Super Bowl appearances. The 4th one is the highest paid QB in the league.

[Jordysghost]

Its not that the SuperBowl is entirely irrelevant, I didn't mean that, but it can only mean so much in the ultimate team game.

And your point? Eli is overpaid too, so was Flacco. But I can understand making such a mistake with the mystical enigma that is Eli, a little bit more then Wilson who rode a great D and running game, albeit effectively to a SB win. All this really proves is that QBs often use SB wins as an opportunity to cash in on negotiations.

[Mothman]

Are you breaking up with me?

[Purple bruise]

Now I understand

[Jordysghost]

Now I understand

Im a Packers fan and he is a Vikings fan, a more star crossed affair, there has never been.

[Raptorman]

Its not that the SuperBowl is entirely irrelevant, I didn't mean that, but it can only mean so much in the ultimate team game.

And your point? Eli is overpaid too, so was Flacco. But I can understand making such a mistake with the mystical enigma that is Eli, a little bit more then Wilson who rode a great D and running game, albeit effectively to a SB win. All this really proves is that QBs often use SB wins as an opportunity to cash in on negotiations.

Why is it that when Wilson wins a Super Bowl with a great Defense, it's all on the Defense. But when other QB's do it, it's all on them?

[vikeinmontana]

anyone know what payed means...?

[Jordysghost]

Why is it that when Wilson wins a Super Bowl with a great Defense, it's all on the Defense. But when other QB's do it, it's all on them?

Its not, but he was less relevant during his teams SB run then guys like Rodgers, Eli, and Flacco. He also was the only one of that group to have a running game, let alone a great one.

But also, the 2010 Packers D was ranked 3rd in scoring D, the 2011 Giants ranked 25th in scoring D, and the 2012 Ravens ranked 12th in scoring D, all were far crys from the all time great Defense that the Seahawks won with.