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Cousins or Vikings?

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Cousins has now won three games on the last drive with two in prime time. He always seemed to lose these games with the Vikings. Was it really Cousins or was it maybe the Vikings?
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RayB73001 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:07 am Cousins has now won three games on the last drive with two in prime time. He always seemed to lose these games with the Vikings. Was it really Cousins or was it maybe the Vikings?
He actually kind of turned it around with the Vikings. Specifically when KOC began coaching, if memory serves.
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RayB73001 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:07 am Cousins has now won three games on the last drive with two in prime time. He always seemed to lose these games with the Vikings. Was it really Cousins or was it maybe the Vikings?
Just wait until the playoffs, provided the Falcons make them...
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VikingLord wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:27 am
RayB73001 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:07 am Cousins has now won three games on the last drive with two in prime time. He always seemed to lose these games with the Vikings. Was it really Cousins or was it maybe the Vikings?
Just wait until the playoffs, provided the Falcons make them...
The playoffs always comes down to the hot team. The Falcons don't have the defense to hold up. Any team that can score will score. The Eagles are the most recent example. Of course Hurts gets all the credit but that D the year they made the SB had over 70 sacks and I think it was a record. The following year they had half that and couldn't even show up in the playoffs. With Hurts they were blown out. Many fans,not saying you,think it's QB only. IMO it starts at the point. If you can't block or rush the passer you won't go anywhere no matter who you have at QB. Dallas and the Ravens are always in the playoffs and then get dumped. This year Dallas has Zim to save them. He never created a D that could play ball in the playoffs. The Ravens? Can't score enough for some reason. They had no problem during the season. Lamar gets the blame for that as far as I'm concerned. D gives up 17 and gets beat? Even loser Kirk wouldn't do that and he proved it against the Saints when Zim's D like always folded in the playoffs.
Darnold will fold if the Jets start sacking and hitting him. Rodgers did it against the stiff Broncos. 14 hits and a bunch of sacks and he couldn't play ball and he's a HOFer. Pressure and hits kills them all.
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RayB73001 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:07 am Cousins has now won three games on the last drive with two in prime time. He always seemed to lose these games with the Vikings. Was it really Cousins or was it maybe the Vikings?
We won the division with probably the worst defensive unit we ever had and Cousins was the QB. D Jones got a huge contract thanks to us and that crap D. Like all players we all have opinions but I was a big fan of Kirk. He's gone now. If the Falcons don't win the SB, which they have very little chance with that joke D, the media and most fans will say typical Kirk. Can't win in prime time. I seen our team under the great KOC offensive master mind win a game 3-0. I would have bet everything I own that a 3-0 score would never happen in today's NFL provided it wasn't weather related. Even the early 70's in brutal weather it didn't happen much if at all. KOC does a fine job if our team don't lose the TO battle. But that's every coach in history. Zimmer played early 70s football. That won't work unless you have a 2000 Ravens defense. He never created anything close to that and couldn't change his idea of how to win a game.
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CharVike wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:55 am
VikingLord wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:27 am

Just wait until the playoffs, provided the Falcons make them...
The playoffs always comes down to the hot team. The Falcons don't have the defense to hold up. Any team that can score will score. The Eagles are the most recent example. Of course Hurts gets all the credit but that D the year they made the SB had over 70 sacks and I think it was a record. The following year they had half that and couldn't even show up in the playoffs. With Hurts they were blown out. Many fans,not saying you,think it's QB only. IMO it starts at the point. If you can't block or rush the passer you won't go anywhere no matter who you have at QB. Dallas and the Ravens are always in the playoffs and then get dumped. This year Dallas has Zim to save them. He never created a D that could play ball in the playoffs. The Ravens? Can't score enough for some reason. They had no problem during the season. Lamar gets the blame for that as far as I'm concerned. D gives up 17 and gets beat? Even loser Kirk wouldn't do that and he proved it against the Saints when Zim's D like always folded in the playoffs.
Darnold will fold if the Jets start sacking and hitting him. Rodgers did it against the stiff Broncos. 14 hits and a bunch of sacks and he couldn't play ball and he's a HOFer. Pressure and hits kills them all.
I mean, games do come down to individual plays and individual players and what they do or don't do matter to the outcome of those plays, so while your general point is valid, that doesn't change the importance of having a QB who needs 8 yards to convert on 4th down choose to attempt a pass to a receiver who is actually past the sticks or the season ends.

Luckily for Darnold, the Jets, at least to this point in the season, haven't done a notable job of getting pressure on opposing QBs and the Vikings OL has done a notable job of pass blocking, so if Darnold struggles it is far more likely to be the result of a talented Jets secondary playing tight coverage more than the Jets pass rush moving Darnold off his spot. Also, it's not like Darnold and the Vikings haven't already seen some of the better defenses in the league so far this year. I'd consider both the 49ers and Texans to have more complete overall defenses than the Jets, and the offense moved the ball and scored on both with relative ease. Not sure what happened to them against the Packers in the 2nd half last week. Either that was a fluke of that game or the Packers found something that made that big of a difference. Whatever it was, that is my only real concern about what may happen in this upcoming game against the Jets.
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VikingLord wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:53 am
CharVike wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:55 am
The playoffs always comes down to the hot team. The Falcons don't have the defense to hold up. Any team that can score will score. The Eagles are the most recent example. Of course Hurts gets all the credit but that D the year they made the SB had over 70 sacks and I think it was a record. The following year they had half that and couldn't even show up in the playoffs. With Hurts they were blown out. Many fans,not saying you,think it's QB only. IMO it starts at the point. If you can't block or rush the passer you won't go anywhere no matter who you have at QB. Dallas and the Ravens are always in the playoffs and then get dumped. This year Dallas has Zim to save them. He never created a D that could play ball in the playoffs. The Ravens? Can't score enough for some reason. They had no problem during the season. Lamar gets the blame for that as far as I'm concerned. D gives up 17 and gets beat? Even loser Kirk wouldn't do that and he proved it against the Saints when Zim's D like always folded in the playoffs.
Darnold will fold if the Jets start sacking and hitting him. Rodgers did it against the stiff Broncos. 14 hits and a bunch of sacks and he couldn't play ball and he's a HOFer. Pressure and hits kills them all.
I mean, games do come down to individual plays and individual players and what they do or don't do matter to the outcome of those plays, so while your general point is valid, that doesn't change the importance of having a QB who needs 8 yards to convert on 4th down choose to attempt a pass to a receiver who is actually past the sticks or the season ends.

Luckily for Darnold, the Jets, at least to this point in the season, haven't done a notable job of getting pressure on opposing QBs and the Vikings OL has done a notable job of pass blocking, so if Darnold struggles it is far more likely to be the result of a talented Jets secondary playing tight coverage more than the Jets pass rush moving Darnold off his spot. Also, it's not like Darnold and the Vikings haven't already seen some of the better defenses in the league so far this year. I'd consider both the 49ers and Texans to have more complete overall defenses than the Jets, and the offense moved the ball and scored on both with relative ease. Not sure what happened to them against the Packers in the 2nd half last week. Either that was a fluke of that game or the Packers found something that made that big of a difference. Whatever it was, that is my only real concern about what may happen in this upcoming game against the Jets.
That's the play Cousins will be remembered for and it was a stupid play by him. I don't even know why that was an option in his mind unless he seen something that made him feel it was open for TJ to get the yardage. The Jets do get after the passer and maybe the secondary causes that. They have 14 sacks which is good. But our OL has done a very good job so far including the Texans. The 2 bad ones that stick out in my mind was Lawerance pushing Bradbury into Darnold which was picked off and the corner blitz by the Packers which was a free run and a strip sack. I don't see the Jets causing us big problems unless we start turning the ball over or it starts raining which could lead to anything.