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I also find Stingleys recent draft rise surprising as well. When the mocks first started and the majority of early draft had us picking him, not much of a college fan I looked up some videos and scouting reports on him and mostly read that he had a great freshman year and has struggled since with injuries and poor play. Even then most mocks said we were probably reaching on talent and he’s probably 16-20 adp. It was clear it was a boom or bust potential type of pick, then he goes and runs a 4.37 and all of a sudden he won’t likely fall to us? Even still at 12 I feel like Stingley is a reach in terms of expected payout I definitely agree with Simms where the scouts/mockers are really basing so much on projection with him.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:00 pm [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGM9dvOfAI[/youtube]
He leaves Stingley Jr. out of his top 5 and discusses why at about the 40 minute mark. Interesting to hear it, honestly.
Sauce is 1 and McDuffie is 2. Overall, he's not too high on this year's group of CBs, and thinks only Sauce should go in the top 15-20 picks.
If he hasn't played good since year 1 in college why would any team pick him in round 1? You have a risk it pick versus stupid pick. Remember you get what you draft. He hasn't done anything in years.allday1991 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:37 pmI also find Stingleys recent draft rise surprising as well. When the mocks first started and the majority of early draft had us picking him, not much of a college fan I looked up some videos and scouting reports on him and mostly read that he had a great freshman year and has struggled since with injuries and poor play. Even then most mocks said we were probably reaching on talent and he’s probably 16-20 adp. It was clear it was a boom or bust potential type of pick, then he goes and runs a 4.37 and all of a sudden he won’t likely fall to us? Even still at 12 I feel like Stingley is a reach in terms of expected payout I definitely agree with Simms where the scouts/mockers are really basing so much on projection with him.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:00 pm [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGM9dvOfAI[/youtube]
He leaves Stingley Jr. out of his top 5 and discusses why at about the 40 minute mark. Interesting to hear it, honestly.
Sauce is 1 and McDuffie is 2. Overall, he's not too high on this year's group of CBs, and thinks only Sauce should go in the top 15-20 picks.
Isn’t our new DB coach LSU’s old DC? He showed know exactly what your getting with Stingley, if he’s there and we pass that will say a lot.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:06 am I think this is pretty relevant too because Simms is known as a pretty highly touted talent evaluator. Makes me question if I want Stingley now or not.
Yes that is true.allday1991 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:00 amIsn’t our new DB coach LSU’s old DC? He showed know exactly what your getting with Stingley, if he’s there and we pass that will say a lot.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:06 am I think this is pretty relevant too because Simms is known as a pretty highly touted talent evaluator. Makes me question if I want Stingley now or not.
That's exactly my reaction. I watched his breakdown of the Edge rushers, and he has a similar glaring omission on his top 5: Thibodeaux.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:06 am I think this is pretty relevant too because Simms is known as a pretty highly touted talent evaluator. Makes me question if I want Stingley now or not.
That's a great point.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:34 amYes that is true.allday1991 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:00 am
Isn’t our new DB coach LSU’s old DC? He showed know exactly what your getting with Stingley, if he’s there and we pass that will say a lot.
Yup I have Thibodeaux way down on my board as well. Stingley I did not though but with what Simms said, this really makes me wonder. Andrew Booth from Clemson is shooting up and I'm really starting to like him.Texas Vike wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:50 amThat's exactly my reaction. I watched his breakdown of the Edge rushers, and he has a similar glaring omission on his top 5: Thibodeaux.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:06 am I think this is pretty relevant too because Simms is known as a pretty highly touted talent evaluator. Makes me question if I want Stingley now or not.
Regarding Stingley: I think if he's there at our pick and we pass, he'll slide into the 20s or later.
Good points, but I need to point out that Stephon Diggs was a 5th round pick. Not a third. .Foreman44 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:58 am I don’t hold much water to mocks. Especially the draft. Only a small percentage of there picks are right. The best thing about them is it gives the average fan some insight to talent.
The oddsmay favor there top picks.How many first rounders, second rounder fail to make expectations then you find the Kurt Warner’s, Adam Theilan. Stephon Diggs as a third rounder, probably out shown higher rated receivers of his class. Didn’t we draft a offensive lineman rated real high, looking a possible bust. Randle is in the hall of fame, was Undrafted. Would a team have taken him first pick if they knew"smallbsamplings.
No one can understand the heart of some players. Johnny Manzell, Mayfied to an extent.
If one could pick one top player that’s available to them at there pick. They could possibly have a hall of fame draft
But they are a good tool for the average fan to get a basic idea of talent
I was ok with him when mocks first started drafting him to us at 12, the highlight film was impressive. However I think there is just to much risk. Everyone talks about how he was injured his last year so he only played 3 games, well what about the 7 games the year before? What about getting completely shredded by Devonte Smith? The more I think about it a top 12 pick on one good year is just ridiculous, he probably should be a late first early 2nd rounder. Even reading most mock drafts they usually start with “IF stingley shows up in freshman form” why are we betting on a if at 12? I think I’m out with Stingley at 12. If by some miracle we trade with Kc and he falls to the end of the 1st I’d be ok, just can’t justify 12 when we will still likely have players like Davis, Williams still on the board.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:09 pm Do we as a board officially no longer want Stingley?
I'm out too, but if we pick him I'll be all in.allday1991 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:58 pmI was ok with him when mocks first started drafting him to us at 12, the highlight film was impressive. However I think there is just to much risk. Everyone talks about how he was injured his last year so he only played 3 games, well what about the 7 games the year before? What about getting completely shredded by Devonte Smith? The more I think about it a top 12 pick on one good year is just ridiculous, he probably should be a late first early 2nd rounder. Even reading most mock drafts they usually start with “IF stingley shows up in freshman form” why are we betting on a if at 12? I think I’m out with Stingley at 12. If by some miracle we trade with Kc and he falls to the end of the 1st I’d be ok, just can’t justify 12 when we will still likely have players like Davis, Williams still on the board.VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:09 pm Do we as a board officially no longer want Stingley?
