Chandler Jones

[RandyMoss84]

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Patrick wants Vikings to trade for Jones, I do not see that happening unless Chandler is willing to be a back up, thoughts?

[VikingsVictorious]

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Patrick wants Vikings to trade for Jones, I do not see that happening unless Chandler is willing to be a back up, thoughts?

Chandler Jones is technically an outside LB, but in actuality is one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. He would instantly take up the starting DE spot for the Vikings I think.

[VikingLord]

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Patrick wants Vikings to trade for Jones, I do not see that happening unless Chandler is willing to be a back up, thoughts?

If the right deal is there, Jones would make a solid addition. Someone would have to go to make room for him on the roster. Not sure who that would be.

[StumpHunter]

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Patrick wants Vikings to trade for Jones, I do not see that happening unless Chandler is willing to be a back up, thoughts?

If the right deal is there, Jones would make a solid addition. Someone would have to go to make room for him on the roster. Not sure who that would be.

That is easy. Weatherly adds nothing and costs way too.

[VikingsVictorious]

If the right deal is there, Jones would make a solid addition. Someone would have to go to make room for him on the roster. Not sure who that would be.

That is easy. Weatherly adds nothing and costs way too.

I would disagree. IMO he's currently our second best pass rusher behind only Hunter.

[StumpHunter]

That is easy. Weatherly adds nothing and costs way too.

I would disagree. IMO he's currently our second best pass rusher behind only Hunter.

That would make this dline almost as bad as 2020.

Weatherly's Pass Rush Win % Rank:
2018: 92nd out of 109 Edge Rushers
2019: 94th out of 105
2020: 109th out of 121

Weatherly's Pressure % Rank:
2018: 77th out of 109
2019: 78th out of 105
2020: 115th out of 121

Pass Rush Grade:
2018: 80th out of 109
2019: 105th out of 105
2020: 108th out of 121

Wonnum wasn't much better last season, but he was a rookie in a season where almost all rookie dlinemen sucked, and he was better. As far as DTs, Richardson and Tomlinson didn't exactly light the world on fire last year from a pass rush standpoint, but they were significantly better at getting after the QB than Weatherly did last year, at a position that typically doesn't get after the QB as much as DE.

[VikingsVictorious]

I would disagree. IMO he's currently our second best pass rusher behind only Hunter.

That would make this dline almost as bad as 2020.

Weatherly's Pass Rush Win % Rank:
2018: 92nd out of 109 Edge Rushers
2019: 94th out of 105
2020: 109th out of 121

Weatherly's Pressure % Rank:
2018: 77th out of 109
2019: 78th out of 105
2020: 115th out of 121

Pass Rush Grade:
2018: 80th out of 109
2019: 105th out of 105
2020: 108th out of 121

Wonnum wasn't much better last season, but he was a rookie in a season where almost all rookie dlinemen sucked, and he was better. As far as DTs, Richardson and Tomlinson didn't exactly light the world on fire last year from a pass rush standpoint, but they were significantly better at getting after the QB than Weatherly did last year, at a position that typically doesn't get after the QB as much as DE.

Barring acquiring a pass rusher in trade (like this scenario) I'm expecting Weatherly to be our second best pass rusher and to not suck. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

[StumpHunter]

That would make this dline almost as bad as 2020.

Weatherly's Pass Rush Win % Rank:
2018: 92nd out of 109 Edge Rushers
2019: 94th out of 105
2020: 109th out of 121

Weatherly's Pressure % Rank:
2018: 77th out of 109
2019: 78th out of 105
2020: 115th out of 121

Pass Rush Grade:
2018: 80th out of 109
2019: 105th out of 105
2020: 108th out of 121

Wonnum wasn't much better last season, but he was a rookie in a season where almost all rookie dlinemen sucked, and he was better. As far as DTs, Richardson and Tomlinson didn't exactly light the world on fire last year from a pass rush standpoint, but they were significantly better at getting after the QB than Weatherly did last year, at a position that typically doesn't get after the QB as much as DE.

Barring acquiring a pass rusher in trade (like this scenario) I'm expecting Weatherly to be our second best pass rusher and to not suck. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Based on what?

[VikingsVictorious]

Barring acquiring a pass rusher in trade (like this scenario) I'm expecting Weatherly to be our second best pass rusher and to not suck. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Based on what?

His Freakish Size/Speed combination and the Vikings opting to sign him to what you consider a massive contract (costs too much). The Vikings clearly saw something in him to make them willing to sign him to that costs too much contract.

[RandyMoss84]

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Patrick wants Vikings to trade for Jones, I do not see that happening unless Chandler is willing to be a back up, thoughts?

If the right deal is there, Jones would make a solid addition. Someone would have to go to make room for him on the roster. Not sure who that would be.

Hopefully Beebe, I do not know what Zimmer sees in him

[VikingsVictorious]

If the right deal is there, Jones would make a solid addition. Someone would have to go to make room for him on the roster. Not sure who that would be.

Hopefully Beebe, I do not know what Zimmer sees in him

Beebe, Dozier, Samia one of those.

[StumpHunter]

Based on what?

His Freakish Size/Speed combination and the Vikings opting to sign him to what you consider a massive contract (costs too much). The Vikings clearly saw something in him to make them willing to sign him to that costs too much contract.

His "freakish size/speed" is pretty much identical to Wonnum's, Jones, and Robinson. It isn't anything special.

The Vikings also signed Dozier. Does that make him a good guard?

If the Vikings cut Weatherly, it saves 2 million. 2 million in this offseason gets you a starting CB (Breeland), a starting caliber DT (Ricahrdson), a quality #3 WR/punt returner (Westbrook), or a starting safety (Woods).

That is WAY too much for what is factually one of the worst pass rushing DEs in football over the past 3 seasons, who was brought in because he knows the system more than because he actually plays well in that system.

[VikingsVictorious]

His Freakish Size/Speed combination and the Vikings opting to sign him to what you consider a massive contract (costs too much). The Vikings clearly saw something in him to make them willing to sign him to that costs too much contract.

His "freakish size/speed" is pretty much identical to Wonnum's, Jones, and Robinson. It isn't anything special.

The Vikings also signed Dozier. Does that make him a good guard?

If the Vikings cut Weatherly, it saves 2 million. 2 million in this offseason gets you a starting CB (Breeland), a starting caliber DT (Ricahrdson), a quality #3 WR/punt returner (Westbrook), or a starting safety (Woods).

That is WAY too much for what is factually one of the worst pass rushing DEs in football over the past 3 seasons, who was brought in because he knows the system more than because he actually plays well in that system.

Actually his Size/Speed is Freakish. I believe it's better than the three you mentioned, but they are also borderline freakish. The Vikings draft for those traits. So it is special. You think he sucks. I don't. Time will tell.

[S197]

Depends on how you guys are defining "freakish" but he's top tier in size and arm length. In terms of speed, he's upper quartile-ish.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/stephen-weatherly

Wonnum looks to not have the size but more burst and speed.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/dj-wonnum

Hopefully numbers isn't everything, because Patrick Jones looks ugly:

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/patrick-jones

Doesn't help that his numbers compare to Scott Crichton.

[VikingsVictorious]

Depends on how you guys are defining "freakish" but he's top tier in size and arm length. In terms of speed, he's upper quartile-ish.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/stephen-weatherly

Wonnum looks to not have the size but more burst and speed.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/dj-wonnum

Hopefully numbers isn't everything, because Patrick Jones looks ugly:

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/patrick-jones

Doesn't help that his numbers compare to Scott Crichton.

Thanks for the research S197.
When you combine size and speed Weatherly is freakish. I think these were numbers compared to the other draftees, at his position, in his class. 98th percentile for weight and 76th percentile for speed. How many people larger than him were faster than him? The answer was probably 0.
Stump called Wonnum at 13th percentile weight, 86th percentile speed almost identical to Weatherly. I'm guessing the discrepancy came from Weatherly lumped in with the LBs while Wonnum was lumped in with just DE or DL.
Jones is actually good when it comes to weight/speed in the 10 yard split. He was below average in everything else.