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[Lash Man]

Does anyone else think Corey Cove " think thats his name " hates the Vikings and is disappointed when they win ? I can't stand to listen to his sneaky smarter than everyone else attitude .

[thatguy]

Does anyone else think Corey Cove " think thats his name " hates the Vikings and is disappointed when they win ? I can't stand to listen to his sneaky smarter than everyone else attitude .

There are a lot of cynical people like that out there. Some are far louder than others. They may just be self-loathing more than anything else.

[radar55]

Or much smarter than those who think this meaningless win will have any impact for the team this year yet realizes just how much it will have on the team next year come draft time.

[SLCVikefan]

He's in "tank for Teddy" or "Sh1t the bed for Ted" mode. He's thinking long term.

[CalVike]

Or much smarter than those who think this meaningless win will have any impact for the team this year yet realizes just how much it will have on the team next year come draft time.

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Lose for draft positioning crowd clearly has team's best interest at heart as they see it, but NFL teams never play to lose, nor should they. There's a fine line here, and I would think most fans were quite happy with today's win over a division rival. The key to the draft is building depth with the lower picks, not just the high profile QBs. No reason to think they won't pick the next franchise QB at #7 unless Spielman with his pathetic track record at QB does the picking. They need to get the deal done with the cards they are dealt in the draft based on where a team with their talent finishes, giving their all in every game. BTW, Corey Cove is fine in his Vikings analysis, I disagree with him on this point.


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[yezzir]

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Lose for draft positioning crowd clearly has team's best interest at heart as they see it, but NFL teams never play to lose, nor should they. There's a fine line here, and I would think most fans were quite happy with today's win over a division rival. The key to the draft is building depth with the lower picks, not just the high profile QBs. No reason to think they won't pick the next franchise QB at #7 unless Spielman with his pathetic track record at QB does the picking. They need to get the deal done with the cards they are dealt in the draft based on where a team with their talent finishes, giving their all in every game. BTW, Corey Cove is fine in his Vikings analysis, I disagree with him on this point.


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Than the Vikings as an organization owe an explanation to its' fan base.

[Reignman]

but NFL teams never play to lose, nor should they

I agree with your post in that I don't believe in losing intentionally, but how do you reconcile this with Frazier constantly starting Ponder and saying he gives us the best chance to win?

I do see where the lose for a better draft position crowd is coming from though, however winning feels too good even if it's meaningless in the long run. Not to mention I don't have any faith in this franchise when it comes to the draft anyway, so rooting for a higher draft pick doesn't make much sense to me.

Losing does come with a consolation prize though, it usually brings about much needed change. Unfortunately for us, that change inexplicably has a better chance at being bad as it does good. Green > Tice > Childress > Frazier. But can it really get worse than Frazier and co? We finally have to be at rock bottom with this clown show.

[mondry]

I agree with your post in that I don't believe in losing intentionally, but how do you reconcile this with Frazier constantly starting Ponder and saying he gives us the best chance to win?

I do see where the lose for a better draft position crowd is coming from though, however winning feels too good even if it's meaningless in the long run. Not to mention I don't have any faith in this franchise when it comes to the draft anyway, so rooting for a higher draft pick doesn't make much sense to me.

Losing does come with a consolation prize though, it usually brings about much needed change. Unfortunately for us, that change inexplicably has a better chance at being bad as it does good. Green > Tice > Childress > Frazier. But can it really get worse than Frazier and co? We finally have to be at rock bottom with this clown show.

If anything what you describe is the exact reason this organization needs the best pick it can get. Even they shouldn't have a hard time taking Andrew luck #1 overall if it's 2012 for example.

When they run into trouble though? Late in the round when someone jumps in front of you and takes the CB you want and you have to trade down and then reach for chris cook! How about when the QB you want goes and you have to reach for Ponder? hahahahaaha.

[thatguy]

Or much smarter than those who think this meaningless win will have any impact for the team this year yet realizes just how much it will have on the team next year come draft time.

My intelligence comes into question because I want my team to win a game? That right there is the definition of stupidity.

[CalVike]

I agree with your post in that I don't believe in losing intentionally, but how do you reconcile this with Frazier constantly starting Ponder and saying he gives us the best chance to win?.

I really cannot answer. Ponder must look great in practice. But it's hard for me to reconcile how a QB who is 1-6-1 on the season into today and went 3-8 for 40 yards in the first half today can possibly give them the best chance to win. But Frazier has rarely wavered on the point. I guess the NFLers know something us fans don't on this point. Or heads will roll. But Zygi Wilf sure seemed happy today. So who knows what change is coming, if any? Skol!


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[Reignman]

If anything what you describe is the exact reason this organization needs the best pick it can get. Even they shouldn't have a hard time taking Andrew luck #1 overall if it's 2012 for example.

When they run into trouble though? Late in the round when someone jumps in front of you and takes the CB you want and you have to trade down and then reach for chris cook! How about when the QB you want goes and you have to reach for Ponder? hahahahaaha.

Haha well what I'm really getting at is I'm getting more and more worried that we'll take Manziel with that top pick. The higher our pick, the greater chance there is that we're the stupid team that takes that over hyped future bust. The more we drop, the more likely some other team gets stuck with that "project". I'm getting an early jump on the future Manziel apologists xD.

[tmscr]

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Lose for draft positioning crowd clearly has team's best interest at heart as they see it, but NFL teams never play to lose, nor should they. There's a fine line here, and I would think most fans were quite happy with today's win over a division rival. The key to the draft is building depth with the lower picks, not just the high profile QBs. No reason to think they won't pick the next franchise QB at #7 unless Spielman with his pathetic track record at QB does the picking. They need to get the deal done with the cards they are dealt in the draft based on where a team with their talent finishes, giving their all in every game. BTW, Corey Cove is fine in his Vikings analysis, I disagree with him on this point.


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Excellent post

[mondry]

Haha well what I'm really getting at is I'm getting more and more worried that we'll take Manziel with that top pick. The higher our pick, the greater chance there is that we're the stupid team that takes that over hyped future bust. The more we drop, the more likely some other team gets stuck with that "project". I'm getting an early jump on the future Manziel apologists xD.

Yeah I see what you're saying, but I really do think it's more likely they reach on Manziel if for example they're picking 7th and Bridgewater, Mariota, Carr, or whoever you like, are gone. In fact that's almost identical to the Ponder situation but of course we picked 12th. Maybe you're right, maybe if we were #1 overall we take Ponder instead of Newton but man, I'm not sure I can buy that.

Either way though, that would be the pick that hangs spielman so we'd be able to finally get rid of him. Otherwise the Spielman apologists will say "oh chilldress left the cupboard so bare he HAD to reach on a QB!"

[saint33]

Yeah I see what you're saying, but I really do think it's more likely they reach on Manziel if for example they're picking 7th and Bridgewater, Mariota, Carr, or whoever you like, are gone. In fact that's almost identical to the Ponder situation but of course we picked 12th. Maybe you're right, maybe if we were #1 overall we take Ponder instead of Newton but man, I'm not sure I can buy that.

Either way though, that would be the pick that hangs spielman so we'd be able to finally get rid of him. Otherwise the Spielman apologists will say "oh chilldress left the cupboard so bare he HAD to reach on a QB!"

You think one pick should hang a GM?

Even at QB, it shouldn't be enough to get fired. Ozzie Newsome drafted Kyle Boller once upon a time

[radar55]

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Lose for draft positioning crowd clearly has team's best interest at heart as they see it, but NFL teams never play to lose, nor should they. There's a fine line here, and I would think most fans were quite happy with today's win over a division rival. The key to the draft is building depth with the lower picks, not just the high profile QBs. No reason to think they won't pick the next franchise QB at #7 unless Spielman with his pathetic track record at QB does the picking. They need to get the deal done with the cards they are dealt in the draft based on where a team with their talent finishes, giving their all in every game. BTW, Corey Cove is fine in his Vikings analysis, I disagree with him on this point.


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With all due respect, your argument as to picking the next franchise QB at #7 is exactly what scares me and why I wanted that higher draft pick. You said it yourself, with Spielmans track record at QB and picking 5th, 6th or 7th.......that sure adds up to Spielman taking Manic Manzel (sp) and then next year we will get to start the QB merry go round all over again. We will end up wasting another couple years of AP's productivity being a one dimensional offense and then we will be looking for another QB and RB in future drafts.
The last 2 weeks (the tie and this win) will do far more damage to the long term interests of the team than the temporary joy we got in either game.