Stupid stat

Post by **dead_poet** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:52 am

Performance or coaching? Or both to blame? That's unacceptable.

#Vikings scoring by quarter this season, 1st: 31, 2nd: 41, 3rd: 31, 4th: 9. / Outscored 41-9 in fourth quarters this season.

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Just Me · Post by **Just Me** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:01 pm

dead_poet wrote:Performance or coaching? Or both to blame? That's unacceptable.
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Yesterday's win was no better in this category: 0 points in the 4th...

The Breeze · Post by **The Breeze** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:09 pm

Andrew needs to check his math......but it is still a wide margin either way.

im4mnvikes · Post by **im4mnvikes** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:10 pm

Just Me wrote: Yesterday's win was no better in this category: 0 points in the 4th...

We we never play to win we always play not lose.

Eli · Post by **Eli** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:15 pm

Not a stupid stat. Nor a surprise.

Post by **dead_poet** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:16 pm

Eli wrote:Not a stupid stat. Nor a surprise.

Stupid in the sense it's ridiculous how inept either our offense or coaching is in the fourth (or both)

mondry · Post by **mondry** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:03 pm

And that's what I'm talking about when I say the coaches adapt to the least amount of risk when possible. I guess I should have been more specific to the 4th quarter but damn, it's really bad.

I'd agree that it doesn't matter with Cassel except that we saw the same type of timid decision making that almost cost us the game AGAIN even with a 17 point lead.

Post by **dead_poet** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:40 pm

mondry wrote:And that's what I'm talking about when I say the coaches adapt to the least amount of risk when possible. I guess I should have been more specific to the 4th quarter but damn, it's really bad.

I'd agree that it doesn't matter with Cassel except that we saw the same type of timid decision making that almost cost us the game AGAIN even with a 17 point lead.

I looked back, and the run-pass ratio for our offense in the 4th in this game was pretty even. The team just couldn't convert on a couple of third downs and Walsh had a rare miss (according to Kluwe it was an imperfect hold that caused the ball to hook). The larger part is the defense not giving the offense more opportunities and allowing sustained drives. The defense allowed drives of 7, 9 and 11 plays in the fourth quarter alone.

For me, the biggest questionable call was their last drive. On third-and-three they gave it to AD (he ran it four times in a row). Though, he gets it and it's a first down and the clock still runs, so, hindsight and all.

indianation65 · Post by **indianation65** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:42 pm

The Vikes have been leading going into the fourth quarter which is where one team goes into ultra conservative ball and the other has nothing to lose but the game. They then get aggressive and catch up. Being outscored is only one of the embarrassing stats. Playing not to lose is the worst!

...wisdom

mondry · Post by **mondry** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:33 pm

dead_poet wrote: I looked back, and the run-pass ratio for our offense in the 4th in this game was pretty even. The team just couldn't convert on a couple of third downs and Walsh had a rare miss (according to Kluwe it was an imperfect hold that caused the ball to hook). The larger part is the defense not giving the offense more opportunities and allowing sustained drives. The defense allowed drives of 7, 9 and 11 plays in the fourth quarter alone.

For me, the biggest questionable call was their last drive. On third-and-three they gave it to AD (he ran it four times in a row). Though, he gets it and it's a first down and the clock still runs, so, hindsight and all.

It's not necessarily just "did they pass it or did they run it" but the creativity involved. A pass play with Simpson, Carlson, and Gerhart where Carlson goes 2 yards into the right flat and Gerhart goes 1 yard into the left flat and Simpson gets doubled over the middle isn't the "quality" of play I'd like to see. It's safe, that's about it.

I'd like to see a "pick play" where multiple wide receivers are on a side and we try to cross up coverage while draggin Patterson underneath. I'd like to see routes that clear out coverage for Jennings to cross short under it. There are things you can do if you only need to pick up 3 yards on 3rd down that are very high percentage and very hard to defend.

PurpleMustReign · Post by **PurpleMustReign** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:22 pm

This is yet another reason Frasier needs to be fired. You can't win in the NFL with that mindset. You just can't.
You teach your kids to be aggressive their whole lives, and then in the NFL, these idiots teach them to take a bit off and just try not to lose. Pathetic.

Demi · Post by **Demi** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:43 pm

according to Kluwe it was an imperfect hold that caused the ball to hook

Between his holds and his baby punts.

PurpleMustReign · Post by **PurpleMustReign** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:11 pm

Demi wrote: Between his holds and his baby punts.

Well if Kluwe says it, it must be true...

mondry · Post by **mondry** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:13 pm

I feel like he's stalking us or something! Always commenting about our punts!

Laserman · Post by **Laserman** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:20 pm

Fraiser and Musgrove Offensive Philosophy: With a lead in the 4th quarter Give up, wimp out, not try to win , 3 and out rely on a tired unequipped Defense. Can't they see it isn't working? You have to wonder sometimes?? Can they really be that stupid?

They have NO KILLER instinct

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