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cmoss84 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm Good conversation, so thanks everyone.
Just wanted to put my two cents on a few things:
1) The top 3 QBs will go top 10. None of them are worth the risk for how much they will cost.
2) why not let teams draft QBs and WRs early on, and let BPA take over? We are in a perfect spot for a premium DT, OL, edge rusher, or CB to fall to us. I wouldn't trade up with our situation. Take advantage of value at 22 and 25.
3) think about how many good WRs will be available from round 3 on. Is there much difference between them? Crapshoot big time.

*anyone interested in Thaddeus Moss if he falls to round 3? He is an excellent run blocker and could be groomed in to take over for Rudolph. He and Irv might be nice together and take pressure off of our WRs.

PacificNorseWest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:29 pm From what I've read, I think the most likely WRs the Vikings draft in round 1 would be Justin Jefferson or Laviska Shenault for the reasons Daniel Jeremiah mentions in his analysis of the two, specifically with these sentences...

Justin Jefferson:

He lines up in the slot and out wide. He is an outstanding route runner.

Thielen, Irv and Bisi to a lesser extent are all versatile. As was Diggs, so replacing Diggs with someone that can line up anywhere as well as run polished routes is a guy who can contribute day 1 and fit right in, allowing Kubiak to keep the same flow of the offense. Plug-and-play, essentially.

On Laviska:

Shenault isn't a nuanced route runner, but he is a monster with the ball in his hands. He excels on quick hitters, fly sweeps and vertical routes.

...he can have an immediate impact for a creative offensive coordinator. He's too big, strong and fast to not contribute.

I am more familiar with Laviska, being that I'm in pac-12 territory and I believe he can have a Percy-like impact and provide another dangerous weapon to the offense who can line up anywhere on the field.

These 2 can be impact guys right away without having to trade draft capital to potentially move up for guys like Lamb or Juedy. I'd be less worried about Jefferson and though I really like Shenault, there's always a chance he's more like Cordarrelle Patterson than Percy. Potential is there though and Minnesota needs someone who can come out of the gates and produce.

Link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ankings-40

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:21 pm

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:13 pm
It’s not.

Rodgers was drafted in 2005 and won the SB in 2010, his 6th year. He sat for three full seasons behind Brett Favre.

Thanks Kapp. Now I know I can't trust the stats thrown at me by stump. Stump J/K. We all make mistakes sometimes.

The record for the highest cap hit percentage remains Steve Young’s 13.1% in that first season, when teams were still getting used to building rosters under a budget. Only four quarterbacks have ever won a Super Bowl while accounting for at least 11% of their team’s cap room: Young, Peyton Manning (twice), Tom Brady and Eli Manning.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:29 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:09 pm

This is the right answer. You aren't just using draft picks to improve your QB position, you are also getting a good QB on a rookie salary, which is a huge advantage. 30 million extra in cap can go a long way to improving the team.

It’s not the right answer if you don’t think any of them are a franchise QB. We all know you want cousins gone, but drafting a QB just to draft one isn’t necessarily the right move. I mean are we really saying if we’re going to trade up it should be for a QB? I don’t understand how in any way that’s the right answer

cmoss84 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:38 pm Good conversation, so thanks everyone.
Just wanted to put my two cents on a few things:
1) The top 3 QBs will go top 10. None of them are worth the risk for how much they will cost.
2) why not let teams draft QBs and WRs early on, and let BPA take over? We are in a perfect spot for a premium DT, OL, edge rusher, or CB to fall to us. I wouldn't trade up with our situation. Take advantage of value at 22 and 25.
3) think about how many good WRs will be available from round 3 on. Is there much difference between them? Crapshoot big time.

*anyone interested in Thaddeus Moss if he falls to round 3? He is an excellent run blocker and could be groomed in to take over for Rudolph. He and Irv might be nice together and take pressure off of our WRs.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:25 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:29 pm

It’s not the right answer if you don’t think any of them are a franchise QB. We all know you want cousins gone, but drafting a QB just to draft one isn’t necessarily the right move. I mean are we really saying if we’re going to trade up it should be for a QB? I don’t understand how in any way that’s the right answer

I 100% agree that drafting a QB just to draft one is stupid. Drafting a QB because you feel strongly about their ability and really think they fit your system and personnel well is smart though.

If the Vikings don't feel that way about Tua, Love or Herbert, by all means don't draft them.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:58 am

PacificNorseWest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:29 pm From what I've read, I think the most likely WRs the Vikings draft in round 1 would be Justin Jefferson or Laviska Shenault for the reasons Daniel Jeremiah mentions in his analysis of the two, specifically with these sentences...

Justin Jefferson:



Thielen, Irv and Bisi to a lesser extent are all versatile. As was Diggs, so replacing Diggs with someone that can line up anywhere as well as run polished routes is a guy who can contribute day 1 and fit right in, allowing Kubiak to keep the same flow of the offense. Plug-and-play, essentially.

On Laviska:





I am more familiar with Laviska, being that I'm in pac-12 territory and I believe he can have a Percy-like impact and provide another dangerous weapon to the offense who can line up anywhere on the field.

These 2 can be impact guys right away without having to trade draft capital to potentially move up for guys like Lamb or Juedy. I'd be less worried about Jefferson and though I really like Shenault, there's always a chance he's more like Cordarrelle Patterson than Percy. Potential is there though and Minnesota needs someone who can come out of the gates and produce.

Link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ankings-40

Jeremiah has a big difference as far as ranking between the two. Jefferson 14th overall Shenault 36th.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:06 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:58 am

Jeremiah has a big difference as far as ranking between the two. Jefferson 14th overall Shenault 36th.

Yeah I just don’t know how much I trust Shenault in terms of a WR. All I can think of is Patterson. A better athlete than WR. We don’t need that IMO. I think he’s better than Patterson but still a far from polished WR.

Bottom line is Jeudy and lamb are in their own elite category. Jefferson and Ruggs next in line. Outside of those 4 there is a decent drop off IMO. Guys like Mims, Higgins, Shenault, aiyuk, Reagor, etc are all potential studs but the top 4 are in their own category and the top 2 are in an elite category

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:06 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:58 am

Jeremiah has a big difference as far as ranking between the two. Jefferson 14th overall Shenault 36th.

Yeah I just don’t know how much I trust Shenault in terms of a WR. All I can think of is Patterson. A better athlete than WR. We don’t need that IMO. I think he’s better than Patterson but still a far from polished WR.

Bottom line is Jeudy and lamb are in their own elite category. Jefferson and Ruggs next in line. Outside of those 4 there is a decent drop off IMO. Guys like Mims, Higgins, Shenault, aiyuk, Reagor, etc are all potential studs but the top 4 are in their own category and the top 2 are in an elite category

Vikings09 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:20 pm Irv Smith Jr should be better this year and will be used better this year and plus who knows maybe Conklin can do the double tightend set with Smith playing out...we can draft a wr in the first but that is not a big time need but our lines are on both sides....we could go LB Murray in the first and that would improve our defense then go either OL or DL with the other pick. In the second we can go after a wr

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:30 pm

Vikings09 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:20 pm Irv Smith Jr should be better this year and will be used better this year and plus who knows maybe Conklin can do the double tightend set with Smith playing out...we can draft a wr in the first but that is not a big time need but our lines are on both sides....we could go LB Murray in the first and that would improve our defense then go either OL or DL with the other pick. In the second we can go after a wr

WR IMO is a much bigger need than DL. We have 3 good DL and several potential options for the other tackle spot. WR we have one NFL caliber player.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:07 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:30 pm
WR IMO is a much bigger need than DL. We have 3 good DL and several potential options for the other tackle spot. WR we have one NFL caliber player.

There are two good DL. Odenigbo was a solid rotational guy last season, he isn't good yet. Might be the next great DE, but he might also be the next Tom Johnson.

The vikings realistically need a big upgrade a 3 tech and LDE to be one of the better defenses next season. It's as big a gaping hole as WR and CB imo. Oh, and guard.