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One thing that is interesting too, we could potentially have the tiebreaker over San Fran if we win out and SF beats the Rams but loses week 17 to Seattle. Which would then make us the 5 seed and going to Dallas or Philly and SF would be the 6th seed.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:20 pm One thing that is interesting too, we could potentially have the tiebreaker over San Fran if we win out and SF beats the Rams but loses week 17 to Seattle. Which would then make us the 5 seed and going to Dallas or Philly and SF would be the 6th seed.

At this point I'm almost resigned to the Vikings being either the #5 or #6 seed. It really sucks that even if the Vikings destroy the Packers on MNF, the Packers likely win the North by virtue of a cakewalk finish against the Lions.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:45 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:20 pm One thing that is interesting too, we could potentially have the tiebreaker over San Fran if we win out and SF beats the Rams but loses week 17 to Seattle. Which would then make us the 5 seed and going to Dallas or Philly and SF would be the 6th seed.

At this point I'm almost resigned to the Vikings being either the #5 or #6 seed. It really sucks that even if the Vikings destroy the Packers on MNF, the Packers likely win the North by virtue of a cakewalk finish against the Lions.

Yep, it's very unlikely that the Lions are going to help us out. They are so pathetic lately. It would be awesome though. We can always hope that they are up for revenge after the first game! First, we need to beat GB though.

Bowhunting Viking wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:13 pm First and foremost, the officiating crew must be investigated. In the day leading up to the game all of their, and their family members and associates, bank accounts MUST be audited for any deposits or transactions coming from the Green Bay area.

The refs are always going to be a factor, but I still believe that if the Vikings handle their business they won't be a deciding factor.

Besides, how much longer can the Packers realistically keep getting the lion's share of favorable breaks by the refs? That has to regress back to the mean, and sooner rather than later. In fact, it almost seemed to be happening in this last game they played against the Bears. Rodgers was actually flagged for intentional grounding, and a Packer DB was actually flagged for holding on a key 3rd down the Bears failed to convert. And this was AT the Packers.

This is also going to be a MNF game, making controversial or questionable calls far more unlikely in my view. The NFL has plenty of black eyes already this season from questionable calls. I think they've gotten a lot of things ironed out as it relates to what constitutes pass interference, reversible decisions, etc. I think the refs are likely to let them play, and I like the Vikings chances if they do because I think the Vikings are the better team on both sides of the ball.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:45 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:20 pm One thing that is interesting too, we could potentially have the tiebreaker over San Fran if we win out and SF beats the Rams but loses week 17 to Seattle. Which would then make us the 5 seed and going to Dallas or Philly and SF would be the 6th seed.

At this point I'm almost resigned to the Vikings being either the #5 or #6 seed. It really sucks that even if the Vikings destroy the Packers on MNF, the Packers likely win the North by virtue of a cakewalk finish against the Lions.

Yeah it really ticks me off because we could beat them by 30 and it’s not gonna matter in the end. It’s that Chicago loss that killed us

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:01 am

CanUDiggsIt? wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:44 am Green Bay has got to be the most mediocre, middle-of-the-road 11-3 team I have ever seen in my life. Rodgers is a shell of himself, their defense is 23rd in yards allowed. They just keep scraping past their opponents, and it is SO frustrating to see each week. I'd say the only reason they keep winning is because they are winning the turnover battle. Rodgers only has 2 INTS and their team only has 2 lost fumbles all season. Next week, we'll see just how good they are. SKOL

The keys against the Packers in this upcoming game

- Get pressure on Rodgers. Rodgers is a completely different QB when he's under pressure. Get to him early and often, make him move and make him uncomfortable, and the Packer offense will stagnate.

- Get ahead early. The Viking offense has to come out efficient and aggressive and dictate the pace of the game. The Packer defense is pretty aggressive and they take chances. To counter that, the Vikings should be looking to take some shots down the field, throw in misdirection, and go no-huddle a few times. Keep the ball moving and keep the Packers guessing (wrong), and then put the ball in the endzone.

- Avoid dumb mistakes. No turnovers in this game that hand the Packers short fields. No dumb penalties on 3rd down that keep Packer drives alive. Just play efficient, mistake-free football.

Blitz Barr every time-get into Rodger's head and make him remember his injury. Hit him a few times, even if we get a cheap penalty or two...it will be worth it.

I'm reading stuff like Rodgers is a shell of his former self. The guy has 24 TDs VS 2 INTs. I don't know the exact stat situation but that ratio is phenomenal. He's still the biggest dog in the shed. IMO the Packers will do everything possible to keep him healthy. He will play but they probably won't let him stand back there. Every games important but if they loss this one as Zim said it's not the end of the world.Losing Rodgers will be the end of the world. Next week is a gift for them. Just show up and it's a W. Every games important but for this one keeping Rodgers healthy is more important. Fast safe throws will be the angle.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:20 pm One thing that is interesting too, we could potentially have the tiebreaker over San Fran if we win out and SF beats the Rams but loses week 17 to Seattle. Which would then make us the 5 seed and going to Dallas or Philly and SF would be the 6th seed.

You know, it's not out of the question that SF could lose to both the Rams and the Seahawks. That would give them a 3-5 second half after an 8-0 first half. And they're a little lucky they got out of New Orleans with a win. I know they've had some injuries, but I've never believed in their receiving corps. Kittle is obviously a super-stud, but what else do they have? Look at Emmanuel Sanders. Goes for a million yards against New Orleans, then 2 catches for 9 yards against the Falcons. They're inconsistent on offense, and I think that'll bite them in the playoffs.

CharVike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:05 pm I'm reading stuff like Rodgers is a shell of his former self. The guy has 24 TDs VS 2 INTs. I don't know the exact stat situation but that ratio is phenomenal. He's still the biggest dog in the shed. IMO the Packers will do everything possible to keep him healthy. He will play but they probably won't let him stand back there. Every games important but if they loss this one as Zim said it's not the end of the world.Losing Rodgers will be the end of the world. Next week is a gift for them. Just show up and it's a W. Every games important but for this one keeping Rodgers healthy is more important. Fast safe throws will be the angle.

He had 25 tds and 2 ints last year and they went 6-9-1. Years back, Rodgers could carry his team to the playoffs no problem. He can’t do that as much anymore. He needs more help than he ever did before. Not saying he isn’t good or anything, but yeah I believe he’s a shell of his former self. He struggles to beat top teams. Especially as of late

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:50 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:05 pm I'm reading stuff like Rodgers is a shell of his former self. The guy has 24 TDs VS 2 INTs. I don't know the exact stat situation but that ratio is phenomenal. He's still the biggest dog in the shed. IMO the Packers will do everything possible to keep him healthy. He will play but they probably won't let him stand back there. Every games important but if they loss this one as Zim said it's not the end of the world.Losing Rodgers will be the end of the world. Next week is a gift for them. Just show up and it's a W. Every games important but for this one keeping Rodgers healthy is more important. Fast safe throws will be the angle.

He had 25 tds and 2 ints last year and they went 6-9-1. Years back, Rodgers could carry his team to the playoffs no problem. He can’t do that as much anymore. He needs more help than he ever did before. Not saying he isn’t good or anything, but yeah I believe he’s a shell of his former self. He struggles to beat top teams. Especially as of late

He struggled his entire career to beat good teams. Made and won 1 Super Bowl which is a great achievement but was beat in the playoffs every other time. You are correct that the team was setup to be his show. They are a different type of team now. It's no longer score for score. They win games many different ways. Yes he doesn't appear to be the same guy but it could be scheme related. IMO this game coming up against us is not a must win for them. I'm sure there's some seeding stuff involved and they would like to win. I don't see them putting Rodgers in bad situations at this point. If and I hope they do he could get knocked out. At that point there season is over.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:58 pm

Bowhunting Viking wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:13 pm First and foremost, the officiating crew must be investigated. In the day leading up to the game all of their, and their family members and associates, bank accounts MUST be audited for any deposits or transactions coming from the Green Bay area.

The refs are always going to be a factor, but I still believe that if the Vikings handle their business they won't be a deciding factor.

Besides, how much longer can the Packers realistically keep getting the lion's share of favorable breaks by the refs? That has to regress back to the mean, and sooner rather than later. In fact, it almost seemed to be happening in this last game they played against the Bears. Rodgers was actually flagged for intentional grounding, and a Packer DB was actually flagged for holding on a key 3rd down the Bears failed to convert. And this was AT the Packers.

This is also going to be a MNF game, making controversial or questionable calls far more unlikely in my view. The NFL has plenty of black eyes already this season from questionable calls. I think they've gotten a lot of things ironed out as it relates to what constitutes pass interference, reversible decisions, etc. I think the refs are likely to let them play, and I like the Vikings chances if they do because I think the Vikings are the better team on both sides of the ball.

You are correct but the refs are usually a MAJOR factor when playing the Pukers lol. My best friend is a Bears fan and he was talking about a few of the calls during the Bears game.
I had to to laugh when I read the article where Cordarrelle Patterson was talking about having to buy the refs donuts before the game because of the calls that went against him.
I would think that with all the negative attention that has been cast on the horrible officiating as of late, the fact it is in Minny and it is the Monday night game, that the Packer favoritism element may not be quite as strong. But I will never hold my breath on that one.
Seriously though I feel real good about this game. As stated, start sending pressure on Erin right away, fast and furious and get in his head right away. I hope he constantly sees big white 99s, 97s, 55s and a dose of 22s right in his face from the get go.
It just makes me so sick that we let the 1st game, well, with that bogus PI on Cook help from Zebras, get away from us.
I doubt the Lions are gonna do anything to help us in the final game but hey ya just never know.
My main hope is getting healthy. Zim is sounding pretty optimistic about Cook, but I'm just afraid those injuries are gonna keep popping up the rest of the season.
I keep looking for reports on Mattisons ankle but havent found an update yet. If he was able to be effective, I would be ok with playing him and Boone more and keeping Cook healthy for later.
I'm feeling pretty optimistic that we can do some damage.
Time will tell.

CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:00 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:50 pm

He had 25 tds and 2 ints last year and they went 6-9-1. Years back, Rodgers could carry his team to the playoffs no problem. He can’t do that as much anymore. He needs more help than he ever did before. Not saying he isn’t good or anything, but yeah I believe he’s a shell of his former self. He struggles to beat top teams. Especially as of late

He struggled his entire career to beat good teams. Made and won 1 Super Bowl which is a great achievement but was beat in the playoffs every other time. You are correct that the team was setup to be his show. They are a different type of team now. It's no longer score for score. They win games many different ways. Yes he doesn't appear to be the same guy but it could be scheme related. IMO this game coming up against us is not a must win for them. I'm sure there's some seeding stuff involved and they would like to win. I don't see them putting Rodgers in bad situations at this point. If and I hope they do he could get knocked out. At that point there season is over.

This is still 100% a must win because the more they win, the more chance they have to get home field through the playoffs and a first round bye. They drop one game at this point, they can easily get bumped down to the 3 seed or even a wild card. The battle right now is for the 1 and 2 seed between Seattle, GB, New Orleans and SF. Hell we even have an outside shot for the 1 or 2 seed. Many of these NFC teams might not have a chance to rest guys week 17. Nobody can lay down at this point because things could shift so fast in the NFC. I'm going to be so mad if GB gets the 1 or 2 seed. If we beat them, they could lose it. If we lose, they are just about a guarantee to get it.

And to be honest, lets say we get the 6 seed, if I had a choice who to play out of Seattle, SF, NO or GB, I take GB all day long. I hope we play them in the playoffs and ruin their season. Because many think we are a better team than them and I agree. I think we can beat any team in the NFC. Seattle being the toughest IMO. But in the end, yes this is 100% a must win for GB.

From the Brutally Optimistic Department:

According to Peter Schrager of NFL Network, the Vikings can still be the No. 1 seed in the NFC. Here’s how.

The 49ers lose to the Rams, AND
The Seahawks lose to Arizona, AND
The Packers lose their last two, AND
The Saints lose to Carolina, AND
San Francisco and Seattle tie, AND
The Vikings win out

Let’s do this thing!

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:31 am And to be honest, lets say we get the 6 seed, if I had a choice who to play out of Seattle, SF, NO or GB, I take GB all day long. I hope we play them in the playoffs and ruin their season. Because many think we are a better team than them and I agree. I think we can beat any team in the NFC. Seattle being the toughest IMO. But in the end, yes this is 100% a must win for GB.

Earlier in the year I preferred going to SF over GB, but I might have flipped my stance at this point. GB is more flawed. I definitely worry about the refs influencing the game though. That's sad that we have to worry about that, but history seems to prove that out. NO is tough, but I think we would play well in the dome. We are good on turf indoors. Seattle is easily the toughest draw we could get in round 1, but we showed them we can compete there too. I sure wouldn't want to though.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:40 am From the Brutally Optimistic Department:

According to Peter Schrager of NFL Network, the Vikings can still be the No. 1 seed in the NFC. Here’s how.

The 49ers lose to the Rams, AND
The Seahawks lose to Arizona, AND
The Packers lose their last two, AND
The Saints lose to Carolina, AND
San Francisco and Seattle tie, AND
The Vikings win out

Let’s do this thing!

Can you imagine all that? That would be a blast.