Let's play "Reckless Speculation — Kirk Cousins Edition"

[Texas Vike]

Undoubtedly there are, but the only one I've seen reporting that the Vikings have gotten offers from NO, TB, etc. is the well known fake account NFLREPORT1.

I didn’t know that’s where this report came from.

My bad, Kapp, looks like it was from Rastapasta:

rastapasta9
@rastapasta_9
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Developing: the #Vikings are currently exploring offers for QB Kirk Cousins. The teams that have officially put forth offers are: New Orleans, Miami, and Tampa Bay.

A trade to one of these teams is expected by the end of the week.

Anyways, do we think any of those three teams have ACTUAL interest in Cousins? I align with VL in thinking that the NFL does not think KC is worth trading much for. I really don't think there's much demand for him and I would be surprised if we were to acquire a 1st rd pick for him.

[J. Kapp 11]

I didn’t know that’s where this report came from.

My bad, Kapp, looks like it was from Rastapasta:

rastapasta9
@rastapasta_9
·
19h
Developing: the #Vikings are currently exploring offers for QB Kirk Cousins. The teams that have officially put forth offers are: New Orleans, Miami, and Tampa Bay.

A trade to one of these teams is expected by the end of the week.

Anyways, do we think any of those three teams have ACTUAL interest in Cousins? I align with VL in thinking that the NFL does not think KC is worth trading much for. I really don't think there's much demand for him and I would be surprised if we were to acquire a 1st rd pick for him.

I don't know about any of those teams, but yes ... I do believe there is interest in Cousins. In fact, my position is that he's the top target, now that Rodgers has re-signed and Wilson has been traded to Denver.

We Vikings fans have a particular view of Cousins. He's good not great. He has great numbers but not wins. He doesn't shine in the biggest moments. He doesn't elevate his team. But I would remind you that the Minnesota Vikings signed Kirk Cousins in 2018 precisely because they believed they were a quarterback away from a Super Bowl. They went 13-3 and made the NFC Championship Game with Case Keenum. Surely a quarterback of Cousins' ability was all that was needed to take the next step.

Forget what actually happened. And if you're a person who says, "I told you so," set that aside for a moment. Vikings management believed they were merely a quarterback away from the Promised Land. They believed it so much that they gave Cousins the first fully guaranteed contract in league history, and that was extended an extra two years in 2020. The Vikings bit on Cousins.

Are you honestly going to tell me there isn't a single team out there that believes the same? Cousins' numbers with the Vikings, with the exception of the first half of 2020, are the best of his career. I guarantee you, somebody out there thinks, "Give me 4,200 yards and 30 TDs, and we'll contend." You've got Pittsburgh, with a playoff-ready roster and Mason Rudolph as the incumbent No. 1. You've got Cleveland, who just missed the playoffs with a screwed-up Baker Mayfield, and whose coach prodded a career year out of Cousins in 2019. New Orleans has a fullback for a QB. Miami has a rag-arm. The list goes on.

Then there are other motivating factors. Matt Rhule in Carolina has been there two years. He's gone 5-11 and 5-12. One more 5-win season, and he's on the unemployment line. They have NOTHING at quarterback. What is Kirk Cousins? If nothing else, he is a gravitational pull toward .500. For a 10-win team, that's bad. For a 5-win team like the Panthers, that could be 9 wins. In Matt Rhule's case, that saves his job. It also might just win a suddenly weak NFC South. If I were KAM, I'd be on the phone every day to GM Scott Fitterer until he caved. After all, Fitterer's job is probably on the line, as well, since he was hired to clean up the mess.

I think we Vikings fans have to look at this through different glasses. We see Kirk one way. But he's been bamboozling people for 10 years. He's got the stats to bamboozle somebody else.

As I said in another post, the only thing that might stand in the way is Kirk himself. He thinks he's worth $40 million+, and if he sticks to that story, then other teams might be driven away because they wouldn't want to extend him at his asking price.

[halfgiz]

Food for thought; Mike Zimmer had a 39-25 record with two division titles before Kirk Cousins got to Minnesota. Did that with Bridgewater, Bradford, and Case Keenum. Zimmers record in four seasons with Cousins...33-31 with zero division titles. We have not been a better team with Kirk Cousins as our quarterback. 

Keenum won with the No 1 ranked defense and no Aaron Rodgers. Zim shut the Packers out that year. What would Keenum have done with the hunk of junk D Zim has marched out there the last couple of seasons? Keenum won a miracle game in the playoffs at home and then was overwhelmed in the champ game. His pick 6 didn't help. He's sitting on a bench somewhere. Don't you think teams would be after him if he is so good? Bridgewater goes to a new team every year. He'll be available again this year. That was the QB Zim felt was the best he ever had. Why doesn't a team keep him? All those QBs you mentioned won one playoff game and that took a miracle. Kirk won one on the road against a future HOF QB. QBs get the blame but don't put those stiffs who are still playing at the same level as Cousins. Cousins will be a FA next year and do you think he will be riding the bench somewhere? There will be teams after him to be there starter. He will get 40+ million a year. Some act like he'll be another Keenum sitting on a bench somewhere. That won't happen. Our team as a whole lacks the talent level to win it all. Brady could be on this team and were not going to the Super Bowl. He got beat with that Buc team this year in the playoffs. Football is the ultimate team game. Wilson is a Super Bowl winner well Denver should be a shoe in this year.

I going to disagree with you. Zimmer has had Saints number, that wasn’t Kirk
Case lead the NFL in 3rd down conversions 2017. That helped the D out a lot.
Cousins hasn’t even been close to that. How many times has the D gotten a turnover and Cousins come in and went 3 an out.
Cousins rep has suffered a lot over many years of being a top paid QB without winning anything.

[halfgiz]

Food for thought; Mike Zimmer had a 39-25 record with two division titles before Kirk Cousins got to Minnesota. Did that with Bridgewater, Bradford, and Case Keenum. Zimmers record in four seasons with Cousins...33-31 with zero division titles. We have not been a better team with Kirk Cousins as our quarterback. 

Keenum won with the No 1 ranked defense and no Aaron Rodgers. Zim shut the Packers out that year. What would Keenum have done with the hunk of junk D Zim has marched out there the last couple of seasons? Keenum won a miracle game in the playoffs at home and then was overwhelmed in the champ game. His pick 6 didn't help. He's sitting on a bench somewhere. Don't you think teams would be after him if he is so good? Bridgewater goes to a new team every year. He'll be available again this year. That was the QB Zim felt was the best he ever had. Why doesn't a team keep him? All those QBs you mentioned won one playoff game and that took a miracle. Kirk won one on the road against a future HOF QB. QBs get the blame but don't put those stiffs who are still playing at the same level as Cousins. Cousins will be a FA next year and do you think he will be riding the bench somewhere? There will be teams after him to be there starter. He will get 40+ million a year. Some act like he'll be another Keenum sitting on a bench somewhere. That won't happen. Our team as a whole lacks the talent level to win it all. Brady could be on this team and were not going to the Super Bowl. He got beat with that Buc team this year in the playoffs. Football is the ultimate team game. Wilson is a Super Bowl winner well Denver should be a shoe in this year.

I going to disagree with you. Zimmer has had Saints number, that wasn’t Kirk
Case lead the NFL in 3rd down conversions 2017. That helped the D out a lot.
Cousins hasn’t even been close to that. How many times has the D gotten a turnover and Cousins come in and went 3 an out.
Cousins rep has suffered a lot over many years of being a top paid QB without winning anything.

[Texas Vike]

My bad, Kapp, looks like it was from Rastapasta:


Anyways, do we think any of those three teams have ACTUAL interest in Cousins? I align with VL in thinking that the NFL does not think KC is worth trading much for. I really don't think there's much demand for him and I would be surprised if we were to acquire a 1st rd pick for him.

I don't know about any of those teams, but yes ... I do believe there is interest in Cousins. In fact, my position is that he's the top target, now that Rodgers has re-signed and Wilson has been traded to Denver.

We Vikings fans have a particular view of Cousins. He's good not great. He has great numbers but not wins. He doesn't shine in the biggest moments. He doesn't elevate his team. But I would remind you that the Minnesota Vikings signed Kirk Cousins in 2018 precisely because they believed they were a quarterback away from a Super Bowl. They went 13-3 and made the NFC Championship Game with Case Keenum. Surely a quarterback of Cousins' ability was all that was needed to take the next step.

Forget what actually happened. And if you're a person who says, "I told you so," set that aside for a moment. Vikings management believed they were merely a quarterback away from the Promised Land. They believed it so much that they gave Cousins the first fully guaranteed contract in league history, and that was extended an extra two years in 2020. The Vikings bit on Cousins.

Are you honestly going to tell me there isn't a single team out there that believes the same? Cousins' numbers with the Vikings, with the exception of the first half of 2020, are the best of his career. I guarantee you, somebody out there thinks, "Give me 4,200 yards and 30 TDs, and we'll contend." You've got Pittsburgh, with a playoff-ready roster and Mason Rudolph as the incumbent No. 1. You've got Cleveland, who just missed the playoffs with a screwed-up Baker Mayfield, and whose coach prodded a career year out of Cousins in 2019. New Orleans has a fullback for a QB. Miami has a rag-arm. The list goes on.

Then there are other motivating factors. Matt Rhule in Carolina has been there two years. He's gone 5-11 and 5-12. One more 5-win season, and he's on the unemployment line. They have NOTHING at quarterback. What is Kirk Cousins? If nothing else, he is a gravitational pull toward .500. For a 10-win team, that's bad. For a 5-win team like the Panthers, that could be 9 wins. In Matt Rhule's case, that saves his job. It also might just win a suddenly weak NFC South. If I were KAM, I'd be on the phone every day to GM Scott Fitterer until he caved. After all, Fitterer's job is probably on the line, as well, since he was hired to clean up the mess.

I think we Vikings fans have to look at this through different glasses. We see Kirk one way. But he's been bamboozling people for 10 years. He's got the stats to bamboozle somebody else.

As I said in another post, the only thing that might stand in the way is Kirk himself. He thinks he's worth $40 million+, and if he sticks to that story, then other teams might be driven away because they wouldn't want to extend him at his asking price.

I think the league looks at how he has performed in MN and says: "Yep, that's EXACTLY what we thought he was!" He came to a team that made the NFCCG , had gone 13-3 and he managed to put up good numbers for a few years and our overall record got worse. All the while, he made sure he got paid. Well.

I will believe it when I see it. My guess is he plays for us this year. I'd love to be wrong!

[StumpHunter]

Food for thought; Mike Zimmer had a 39-25 record with two division titles before Kirk Cousins got to Minnesota. Did that with Bridgewater, Bradford, and Case Keenum. Zimmers record in four seasons with Cousins...33-31 with zero division titles. We have not been a better team with Kirk Cousins as our quarterback. 

Keenum won with the No 1 ranked defense and no Aaron Rodgers. Zim shut the Packers out that year. What would Keenum have done with the hunk of junk D Zim has marched out there the last couple of seasons?

What is this now? Weren't you the one claiming Zimmer's D was just an illusion and didn't actually help the team win?

Interesting...

[CharVike]

Keenum won with the No 1 ranked defense and no Aaron Rodgers. Zim shut the Packers out that year. What would Keenum have done with the hunk of junk D Zim has marched out there the last couple of seasons?

What is this now? Weren't you the one claiming Zimmer's D was just an illusion and didn't actually help the team win?

Interesting...

It was an illusion. The Packers average 5 points a game against us, That wasn't because of Zim's great D either. This is getting old and it don't matter anymore. You have your opinion and I have mine.

[CharVike]

I don't know about any of those teams, but yes ... I do believe there is interest in Cousins. In fact, my position is that he's the top target, now that Rodgers has re-signed and Wilson has been traded to Denver.

We Vikings fans have a particular view of Cousins. He's good not great. He has great numbers but not wins. He doesn't shine in the biggest moments. He doesn't elevate his team. But I would remind you that the Minnesota Vikings signed Kirk Cousins in 2018 precisely because they believed they were a quarterback away from a Super Bowl. They went 13-3 and made the NFC Championship Game with Case Keenum. Surely a quarterback of Cousins' ability was all that was needed to take the next step.

Forget what actually happened. And if you're a person who says, "I told you so," set that aside for a moment. Vikings management believed they were merely a quarterback away from the Promised Land. They believed it so much that they gave Cousins the first fully guaranteed contract in league history, and that was extended an extra two years in 2020. The Vikings bit on Cousins.

Are you honestly going to tell me there isn't a single team out there that believes the same? Cousins' numbers with the Vikings, with the exception of the first half of 2020, are the best of his career. I guarantee you, somebody out there thinks, "Give me 4,200 yards and 30 TDs, and we'll contend." You've got Pittsburgh, with a playoff-ready roster and Mason Rudolph as the incumbent No. 1. You've got Cleveland, who just missed the playoffs with a screwed-up Baker Mayfield, and whose coach prodded a career year out of Cousins in 2019. New Orleans has a fullback for a QB. Miami has a rag-arm. The list goes on.

Then there are other motivating factors. Matt Rhule in Carolina has been there two years. He's gone 5-11 and 5-12. One more 5-win season, and he's on the unemployment line. They have NOTHING at quarterback. What is Kirk Cousins? If nothing else, he is a gravitational pull toward .500. For a 10-win team, that's bad. For a 5-win team like the Panthers, that could be 9 wins. In Matt Rhule's case, that saves his job. It also might just win a suddenly weak NFC South. If I were KAM, I'd be on the phone every day to GM Scott Fitterer until he caved. After all, Fitterer's job is probably on the line, as well, since he was hired to clean up the mess.

I think we Vikings fans have to look at this through different glasses. We see Kirk one way. But he's been bamboozling people for 10 years. He's got the stats to bamboozle somebody else.

As I said in another post, the only thing that might stand in the way is Kirk himself. He thinks he's worth $40 million+, and if he sticks to that story, then other teams might be driven away because they wouldn't want to extend him at his asking price.

I think the league looks at how he has performed in MN and says: "Yep, that's EXACTLY what we thought he was!" He came to a team that made the NFCCG , had gone 13-3 and he managed to put up good numbers for a few years and our overall record got worse. All the while, he made sure he got paid. Well.

I will believe it when I see it. My guess is he plays for us this year. I'd love to be wrong!

How did Indy get anything for Wentz? Wentz went to Indy after they were beat by the Bills 27-24 in the playoffs. Looked like that team could play some ball. They didn't make it this year. Cousins went to a team that was beat 38-7 in the playoffs and only made that game because of miracle win. It was luck to make it that far. The Panthers have no clue about a QB. They thought they traded for a great one in Darnold last season. I imagine they will pick that stiff from Liberty in the draft and declare this will get it done. There fools. Viking fans don't see it one way. Some fans think he is the only reason we suck. Some fans think we had a great team that made the champ game and Cousins held us back from the Super Bowl the following year. If Cousins goes to the Texans he will not take them to the Super Bowl. There's isn't a QB that ever played this game that could do it. If he goes to SF that team will have a better shot because Cousins is a better passer who makes less mistakes than Jimmy G. Denver just got a great one Wilson so they should at least get deep into the playoffs. They have a dam good team. We'll see how that works out. You act like we couldn't get a pack of gum for Cousins. All it takes is a team in need with a FO that will take a risk like the Rams did and the Bus did the year before. No risk it no biscuit. I guess once Cousins leaves after this season he will be a backup some place because he sucks like Keenum.