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I like what Paton did in free agency outside of signing Stephen. Boone and Fuller were pretty good value signings and they did improve the QB spot for really cheap even if they likely didn't find a long term answer.

If however, they end up trading for Rodgers, Paton will have done more to help the Vikings win the division over the next couple of seasons than Rick has ever done. Passing on Fields so Pace could overspend on a QB who is destined to fail in one last desperate move to keep his job and removing the best QB in the division? You might as well just give us the division title right now.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:26 am One thing I will say, is that there were rumors saying Paton was the big "trade down for the late rounders" guy. Maybe that proved to be true. I was pretty shocked that Spielman didnt budge from a single pick after round 1.

He might have wanted to but just couldn't find the right deal.

The trade down from 14 to 23 was a good deal, at least in terms of draft value. Whether it turns out to be astute in terms of player value we'll see in time, but I was happy with what he got out of it.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:49 am The trade down from 14 to 23 was a good deal, at least in terms of draft value. Whether it turns out to be astute in terms of player value we'll see in time, but I was happy with what he got out of it.

I would be VERY optimistic that "in time", this trade will be viewed very favorably.

Since the Jets traded away the second pick we gave them in the deal (#143), we essentially traded Vera-Tucker for Darrisaw, Mond and Davis.

How that trade does not have most Vikes fans dancing naked in the aisles I don't know. We are a cynical group, for sure.

psjordan wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:00 am

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:49 am The trade down from 14 to 23 was a good deal, at least in terms of draft value. Whether it turns out to be astute in terms of player value we'll see in time, but I was happy with what he got out of it.

I would be VERY optimistic that "in time", this trade will be viewed very favorably.

Since the Jets traded away the second pick we gave them in the deal (#143), we essentially traded Vera-Tucker for Darrisaw, Mond and Davis.

How that trade does not have most Vikes fans dancing naked in the aisles I don't know. We are a cynical group, for sure.

we have every right to be cynical......when 50 years of failure backs up your judgement, its not cynicism.....its fact/history based judgement.

psjordan wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:00 am

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:49 am The trade down from 14 to 23 was a good deal, at least in terms of draft value. Whether it turns out to be astute in terms of player value we'll see in time, but I was happy with what he got out of it.

I would be VERY optimistic that "in time", this trade will be viewed very favorably.

Since the Jets traded away the second pick we gave them in the deal (#143), we essentially traded Vera-Tucker for Darrisaw, Mond and Davis.

How that trade does not have most Vikes fans dancing naked in the aisles I don't know. We are a cynical group, for sure.

It all depends on how these guys work out, but if I were a Jets fan I wouldn't be happy with that trade. A good starting guard is not worth a 1st and 2 3rds.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:49 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:26 am One thing I will say, is that there were rumors saying Paton was the big "trade down for the late rounders" guy. Maybe that proved to be true. I was pretty shocked that Spielman didnt budge from a single pick after round 1.

He might have wanted to but just couldn't find the right deal.

The trade down from 14 to 23 was a good deal, at least in terms of draft value. Whether it turns out to be astute in terms of player value we'll see in time, but I was happy with what he got out of it.

Oh I think it was an excellent deal and excellent value. When you trade away Vera-Tucker for Darrisaw, Mond and Davis, how does anyone complain about that?? I'd make that deal 10 times over again. That deal filled 3 needs for us. And the difference in talent level between Vera Tucker and Derrisaw is miniscule if any at all. In fact, Derrisaw was ranked ahead of him on many pre-draft boards

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am

psjordan wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:00 am

I would be VERY optimistic that "in time", this trade will be viewed very favorably.

Since the Jets traded away the second pick we gave them in the deal (#143), we essentially traded Vera-Tucker for Darrisaw, Mond and Davis.

How that trade does not have most Vikes fans dancing naked in the aisles I don't know. We are a cynical group, for sure.

It all depends on how these guys work out, but if I were a Jets fan I wouldn't be happy with that trade. A good starting guard is not worth a 1st and 2 3rds.

Agreed. I mean I think Rick really pushed the limit in terms of what options we had at 23. We were 1 Darrisaw pick away from practically having 0 options. Slater was gone, Vera-Tucker was gone, Paye was gone, Phillips was gone. But again, cant complain. That was a hell of a move.

IIsweet wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:35 pm The reasoning was our current GM vs what could have been our next GM.
Did the student outplay the teacher ?

From my perspective the Teacher did far better than the student, but I'm a biased Vikings fan.

chicagopurple wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:07 am we have every right to be cynical......when 50 years of failure backs up your judgement, its not cynicism.....its fact/history based judgement.

Check the Vikings all time record. We have actually been a quite successful franchise. Just haven't won that stupid super bowl thingy.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:33 am

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:49 am

He might have wanted to but just couldn't find the right deal.

The trade down from 14 to 23 was a good deal, at least in terms of draft value. Whether it turns out to be astute in terms of player value we'll see in time, but I was happy with what he got out of it.

Oh I think it was an excellent deal and excellent value. When you trade away Vera-Tucker for Darrisaw, Mond and Davis, how does anyone complain about that?? I'd make that deal 10 times over again. That deal filled 3 needs for us. And the difference in talent level between Vera Tucker and Derrisaw is miniscule if any at all. In fact, Derrisaw was ranked ahead of him on many pre-draft boards

I'm highly confident that if the Vikings had not traded back the pick would have been Darrisaw not AVT.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:26 am One thing I will say, is that there were rumors saying Paton was the big "trade down for the late rounders" guy. Maybe that proved to be true. I was pretty shocked that Spielman didnt budge from a single pick after round 1.

Rick was mentioning how this wasn't a very deep draft. The number of players in the draft were hundreds less than normal and there were a lot of 4th round compensatory picks. Sounded like he wanted to stay in front of those.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:07 pm

chicagopurple wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:07 am we have every right to be cynical......when 50 years of failure backs up your judgement, its not cynicism.....its fact/history based judgement.

Check the Vikings all time record. We have actually been a quite successful franchise. Just haven't won that stupid super bowl thingy.

I posted long ago that Zim has a good HC record with us. He hit a break one year with Rodgers out and he took us to the champ game with a backup QB. That's a solid season no matter how it's sliced. I think Speilman has done a solid job. The guy don't sit still and works to get things done. He did great getting Cousins. At least he gives our team a better long term chance than anything we have had since Fran. Sure Farve was magical but he's also a HOF player. Cousins won't sniff the HOF. But we are still behind an MVP guy in our division that will make the HOF which means it's a big need just to get even. And Rodgers is like Brady getting better with age. Hard to believe but maybe the rule changes toward passing game has made that possible. D players are afraid to touch a QB in the pocket anymore. If you breath on a guy you'll get flagged. Older days players got after them with no worries. To many worries in the NFL about protecting QBs in the pocket. Which I think is a good thing. QB puts people in the seats and watching their screens. That's money in everybody's pocket. Obviously there's more to it but these guys are playing beyond anything I thought was possible. The reason might be there sport drink or something like that. I have no idea. The Bucs picked a dev guy to get him ready for the eventual. Or as a trade guy. Smart move even though they have a Super Bowl QB.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am

psjordan wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:00 am

I would be VERY optimistic that "in time", this trade will be viewed very favorably.

Since the Jets traded away the second pick we gave them in the deal (#143), we essentially traded Vera-Tucker for Darrisaw, Mond and Davis.

How that trade does not have most Vikes fans dancing naked in the aisles I don't know. We are a cynical group, for sure.

It all depends on how these guys work out, but if I were a Jets fan I wouldn't be happy with that trade. A good starting guard is not worth a 1st and 2 3rds.

If I was a Jet fan I would probably feel we got the best G and we also have our future made with the No 2 pick. At least they are trying to give the kid some protection. The kid is in a tough spot. Don't you think it's worth over paying to help the kid out? Or do you go with a Dru Samia type that can't block anything and the kid is harassed every play or killed. Yes you can get a HOF G in round 3 but as a hole the player selected in the mid 1st round should be better. 1st round pick position are not equal. Pick 1 vs pick 14 isn't close to the same value. The Bengals are in the process of getting guys to protect there investment. Might be to late.

CharVike wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:52 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:22 am

It all depends on how these guys work out, but if I were a Jets fan I wouldn't be happy with that trade. A good starting guard is not worth a 1st and 2 3rds.

If I was a Jet fan I would probably feel we got the best G and we also have our future made with the No 2 pick. At least they are trying to give the kid some protection. The kid is in a tough spot. Don't you think it's worth over paying to help the kid out? Or do you go with a Dru Samia type that can't block anything and the kid is harassed every play or killed. Yes you can get a HOF G in round 3 but as a hole the player selected in the mid 1st round should be better. 1st round pick position are not equal. Pick 1 vs pick 14 isn't close to the same value. The Bengals are in the process of getting guys to protect there investment. Might be to late.

You don't need a HOF guard to protect your QB. You just need a competent one, and those are found all over the draft and in free agency. There have been a number of studies on this, and the difference between a line with an average starting guard and average backup guard is negligible.

Wilson succeeding or failing will not depend on who is playing guard in front of him.