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Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:05 pm
by S197
Bowhunting Viking wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:04 am
CharVike wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:25 pm
Outside of the fact that he's not a very good QB you need to worry about what stunt he will pull next. A pain in the A player who's not that good. The NFL only did this BS on the advice of there legal team. There's not a team out there that wants this joke. He disrespects a country that let him pursue a dream. After all that his lying lame a$$ is still in this country. Why don't the idiot take his millions and go were it's better?

Excellent post!!! My thoughts exactly.
I myself will not leave the politics out of it. I agree with you.
My favorite interview about his actions/ fiasco was a panel that included Robert O Neil, one of Seal Team 6 members who was on the mission that took out Bin Laden.
He said I will tell you what the Seal Community thinks about Kapernick, and these Hollywood and music people who slam the military, the police etc.
Specifically on Kapernick, he said he wanted to take him over to Afghanistan. Take him to an FOB in Kandahar or a hot zone. He said let's take him out of his mansion and walk outside Dee e the walls. He said I guarantee you his 40 time would improve cuz he wouldn't make it 40 yards outside those walls and kneel down and protest and disrespect the Flag anymore. Great stuff.
I know I don't want him and his circus coming to Minny. And I have no doubt Zimmer wouldn't have a thing to do with it either.
Besides all that, after his 1st big year D Coordinators figured him out and made him a below average QB after that.
He made his millions and got all the popularity and notoriety he craved.
Go away Kapernick. I personally hope, and believe, we never see him in the NFL again. If we do, I hope it's short lived and he fails miserably.
Politics are against board rules, so please leave them out of it. I don’t want to moderate people’s opinions if I don’t have to but this has been a long standing rule since the creation of the forum. Trust me, it’s just better for everyone.

Plus Cliff will take away my pension if I don’t do a mod thing once a year. :gone:

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:06 pm
by YikesVikes
VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:47 am
Rhodes Closed wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:58 am As the only member (likely) of the youngest generation on this site, I still don't see how Kaepernick was disrespecting the flag by kneeling; it was a gesture advised to him by a member of the US Military. It's his right to protest how he sees fit, that is not disrespecting the flag; in fact, that is upholding and respecting his First Amendment Rights over all else. Telling somebody that he can't kneel for the flag because it's disrespectful, and that he should leave the country for it, is in fact more disrespectful than kneeling in protest and you should feel ashamed if you actually feel that way. The man has donated time, effort, and money to charities in America and people still treat him as some sort of inhuman monster for kneeling. How ridiculous is that? People didn't just die to keep the flag waving, they died so that people could protest the flag in any way they want. The moment people take away their right to protest, we become no better than countries like China (in regards to Hong Kong).

He's an average QB who will do fine anywhere that wants to hire him, irregardless if it's a backup position or not. He doesn't need the money at this point thanks to his Nike partnership. The Vikings don't need him, but there are a slew of teams that could use his skillset and build off him until they finish rebuilding: Dolphins, Bengals, etc.
Did you not read his quote? He did it to NOT show pride in the American flag or America...

No one ever said he doesn't have the right to protest. He wasn't arrested for it nor should he have been. But whatever or how ever someone chooses to protest, then anyone can then chose to protest his or hers protest. If I go to work tomorrow and protest that they are making me work for 8 hours, so as a result I prop my feet up and yell "Unfair treatment" all day instead of doing any work, I have the right to do so without getting arrested. BUT my employer also had the right to fire me.

So yes, many men and women have given their lives so that Colin could protest without being hauled off to prison. He could have chosen many other ways to protest other than to show (and say) that he has no pride in the flag and the country that gives him those rights. I also never said that he should leave the country. Again, many have died for his right to protest and stay here. I happen to think it's hypocritical for someone to bash a country, and have the financial means to go somewhere else if he thinks there is somewhere else better, but chooses to remain here. But yes, it's his right to do so.
So because he has the fiscal means to leave he should. What about the other POCs in this country? #### them right? Maybe you should look at it like this. A person that has fiscally made it still has the empathy to understood that others that look like him aren't treated equally in this country. That kind of empathy, you have yet to display. To make this about the FLAG is ####. He started simply sitting during the Anthem. Fake patriots like you are who made him take a knee. Then you guys got all butt hurt about that too. All this outrage about Kap taking a knee but none about people being treated unfairly because of their race.
I make over 150k a year, have never been arrested, and have gone to some of the best schools in the country on academic scholarships (top 1% standardized test scores in the country as a child). America has been good to me. However, she can be better for a lot of people that look like me. That's the point of all this. Let's make America the best she can be for EVERYONE. So you can shove your fake outrage.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:11 pm
by YikesVikes
TSonn wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:56 pm
Bowhunting Viking wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:04 am

Excellent post!!! My thoughts exactly.
I myself will not leave the politics out of it. I agree with you.
My favorite interview about his actions/ fiasco was a panel that included Robert O Neil, one of Seal Team 6 members who was on the mission that took out Bin Laden.
He said I will tell you what the Seal Community thinks about Kapernick, and these Hollywood and music people who slam the military, the police etc.
Specifically on Kapernick, he said he wanted to take him over to Afghanistan. Take him to an FOB in Kandahar or a hot zone. He said let's take him out of his mansion and walk outside Dee e the walls. He said I guarantee you his 40 time would improve cuz he wouldn't make it 40 yards outside those walls and kneel down and protest and disrespect the Flag anymore. Great stuff.
I know I don't want him and his circus coming to Minny. And I have no doubt Zimmer wouldn't have a thing to do with it either.
Besides all that, after his 1st big year D Coordinators figured him out and made him a below average QB after that.
He made his millions and got all the popularity and notoriety he craved.
Go away Kapernick. I personally hope, and believe, we never see him in the NFL again. If we do, I hope it's short lived and he fails miserably.
No disrespect to that Seal Team member but he missed the point. Kap was never disrespecting the flag or the military. He was simply trying to shed light on some big issues we have as a country in hopes of making America a better place for everyone - absolutely nothing to do with the military or the flag. So that's a nice hypothetical from Robert O' Neil but it has nothing to do with what Kap did.

Regardless, don't think the try out went that well. Too bad, though, I loved watching Kap destroy the Pack in the NFCCG and wouldn't mind him doing it again! :rock: :rock: :rock:
Exactly. I just don't understand how unempathetic people can be. To the point of completely changing a narrative instead of confronting a true issue. Yet, why am I surprised? Individuals are able to compare the Black Panthers (a group with white and Asian members) to the KKK because... reasons (ironically they were started to combat the actions of police in poor Black communities). Now Kap is a lying scum bag because he told you and the world that POCs are not given the same respect regardless of economic standing as their White counterparts. Instead of actually listening, they rather nitpick and demonize the guy.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:37 pm
by Bowhunting Viking
S197 wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:05 pm
Bowhunting Viking wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:04 am

Excellent post!!! My thoughts exactly.
I myself will not leave the politics out of it. I agree with you.
My favorite interview about his actions/ fiasco was a panel that included Robert O Neil, one of Seal Team 6 members who was on the mission that took out Bin Laden.
He said I will tell you what the Seal Community thinks about Kapernick, and these Hollywood and music people who slam the military, the police etc.
Specifically on Kapernick, he said he wanted to take him over to Afghanistan. Take him to an FOB in Kandahar or a hot zone. He said let's take him out of his mansion and walk outside Dee e the walls. He said I guarantee you his 40 time would improve cuz he wouldn't make it 40 yards outside those walls and kneel down and protest and disrespect the Flag anymore. Great stuff.
I know I don't want him and his circus coming to Minny. And I have no doubt Zimmer wouldn't have a thing to do with it either.
Besides all that, after his 1st big year D Coordinators figured him out and made him a below average QB after that.
He made his millions and got all the popularity and notoriety he craved.
Go away Kapernick. I personally hope, and believe, we never see him in the NFL again. If we do, I hope it's short lived and he fails miserably.
Politics are against board rules, so please leave them out of it. I don’t want to moderate people’s opinions if I don’t have to but this has been a long standing rule since the creation of the forum. Trust me, it’s just better for everyone.

Plus Cliff will take away my pension if I don’t do a mod thing once a year. :gone:
I apologize for that and will not continue to post about the issue.
But I must add , to a few of the members that posted, please do not include me in the group that you feel are displaying a racist point of view on the Kapernick situation. I never in my post brought up race. I have great friends of different skin colors. I dont care if a person's skin is green. I see a person for who they are and what kind of human being they are. From a very young age my parents instilled in me that we are all equal regardless of our race. So my views had NOTHING to do with the color of Kapernicks skin. Period.
I will apologize for posting a political view when the rules prohibit it. That is on me.
But, I will ask that if someone may have agreed with something I said, and then used negative comments about race or called him a POS or anything derogatory, please don't try and include me in that. I'm not that way, and will emphatically fight the perception that I am.
I just wanted to clear that up.
Now all i can say is how about that win today?

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:46 pm
by YikesVikes
Bowhunting Viking wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:37 pm
S197 wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:05 pm

Politics are against board rules, so please leave them out of it. I don’t want to moderate people’s opinions if I don’t have to but this has been a long standing rule since the creation of the forum. Trust me, it’s just better for everyone.

Plus Cliff will take away my pension if I don’t do a mod thing once a year. :gone:
I apologize for that and will not continue to post about the issue.
But I must add , to a few of the members that posted, please do not include me in the group that you feel are displaying a racist point of view on the Kapernick situation. I never in my post brought up race. I have great friends of different skin colors. I dont care if a person's skin is green. I see a person for who they are and what kind of human being they are. From a very young age my parents instilled in me that we are all equal regardless of our race. So my views had NOTHING to do with the color of Kapernicks skin. Period.
I will apologize for posting a political view when the rules prohibit it. That is on me.
But, I will ask that if someone may have agreed with something I said, and then used negative comments about race or called him a POS or anything derogatory, please don't try and include me in that. I'm not that way, and will emphatically fight the perception that I am.
I just wanted to clear that up.
Now all i can say is how about that win today?
During the Civil Rights era, there were plenty of non Blacks that believed that Blacks should be treated equally. Plenty of those people did nothing to aid. It's not enough to believe everyone is equal. Do you support candidates that hold those views, do you take action to ensure that everyone is equal based on race, and do you call out inequality when you see it. I dont know where you get your news and what spin on this story you have received but you venom for this guy is unwarranted and you should do some self inflection.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:28 pm
by VikeFanInEagleLand
This is the last I'm posting on the subject.

There are still posters here that are saying He wasn't disrespecting the flag.... Yet again his quote, from his mouth ""I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" I don't know how much more plain in it can be?

You can't reason with someone who doesn't listen.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:37 pm
by YikesVikes
VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:28 pm This is the last I'm posting on the subject.

There are still posters here that are saying He wasn't disrespecting the flag.... Yet again his quote, from his mouth ""I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" I don't know how much more plain in it can be?

You can't reason with someone who doesn't listen.
Love that your focus on the flag part and ignore the oppression of black people and people of color part. Lol. Take your fake patriotism elsewhere. You should be saying, i disagree with the part about the flag but we need to do something about the inequalities he has raised. Instead, you rather focus on a piece of fabric. The flag is s symbol it stands for the virtues of a nation. When those virtues include a "but not you guys", people will not have the same affection for the flag that you might. America has been great to white men. Its not unbelievable that other people may see it differently, still love America but want it to love them back.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:40 pm
by YikesVikes
VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:28 pm This is the last I'm posting on the subject.

There are still posters here that are saying He wasn't disrespecting the flag.... Yet again his quote, from his mouth ""I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" I don't know how much more plain in it can be?

You can't reason with someone who doesn't listen.
Again. You love America. I am telling you America could be better. You want her to be her best. What are you doing about it? How are you making America better for all Americans? The guy you hate isnt trying to make America worse for you. Even if you find his cause misguided, he is trying to make America the best it can be and you would stand in his way. Where is your patriotism? If you love America, then you want her to be the best at everything. Right now you are being told she isn't the best at equality. Where is your civic pride?

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:05 pm
by CharVike
YikesVikes wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:36 pm
CharVike wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:03 pm
Bottom line this scum bag Kap is looking to make coin. If he has some concern about people of color or whatever why don't he start something to solve it? He has millions upon millions. Spend it for the good. But he don't give a ####. And people can't see that. I see it. He wants another mansion and I don't blame him for that. I just wish he would shut his crap up and get the hell out of this s hole country. Find a better place. Go to Siberia. Thank god Speilman and Zim saw through this BS and didn't drag our team into it. We have a bum backup but I'd rather have him than this dirt ball. Mr two face.
What an uneducated take. Dude, you need to check either your bigotry or your lack of education. One of them is to blame.

1. "Why does he do something?"
https://www.businessinsider.com/colin-k ... ies-2018-9
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/31/ ... on-dollars
https://www.si.com/sportsperson/2017/12 ... -donations

2. Your anger directed to a person of color telling you that people of color aren't treated like you is alarming. He is pointing out that this country has some work to do. If you love this country so much, you should want it to be the best it can be. America can be better to all it's citizen. Yet, "patriots" like you would rather she not improve. Ask yourself why. Just because its amazing for you doesnt mean it cant be better for others.

3. You need to do some soul searching. You may not be screaming the N-word but you have some clear issues you should resolve.
I'm a college graduate. This country was built by the Europeans. Do you know what they did to the native Americans? Look it up. Nobody feels sorry for them and that is documented. This country was never perfect and never will be. Kap is the one that wanted the headlines. Well he got them. No team wants to get involved with that BS. So they are a bunch of uneducated baffones like me also. If I owned a team I wouldn't want that on my sideline. Period. Who knows what will be next. You can't use your employment space as your pedestal. You think it was the place to do it. I don't know many companies that would put up with that maybe you do. I hired people of color and didn't think twice about doing it. I've fired whites and didn't think twice about doing it. My stupid mind tried to treat people fairly and the same. I don't watch football to see some athlete use that time space to inform me that our country has some issues. I know there are issues and they go beyond the color of skin. I watch it for entertainment.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:15 pm
by YikesVikes
CharVike wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:05 pm
YikesVikes wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:36 pm

What an uneducated take. Dude, you need to check either your bigotry or your lack of education. One of them is to blame.

1. "Why does he do something?"
https://www.businessinsider.com/colin-k ... ies-2018-9
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/31/ ... on-dollars
https://www.si.com/sportsperson/2017/12 ... -donations

2. Your anger directed to a person of color telling you that people of color aren't treated like you is alarming. He is pointing out that this country has some work to do. If you love this country so much, you should want it to be the best it can be. America can be better to all it's citizen. Yet, "patriots" like you would rather she not improve. Ask yourself why. Just because its amazing for you doesnt mean it cant be better for others.

3. You need to do some soul searching. You may not be screaming the N-word but you have some clear issues you should resolve.
I'm a college graduate. This country was built by the Europeans. Do you know what they did to the native Americans? Look it up. Nobody feels sorry for them and that is documented. This country was never perfect and never will be. Kap is the one that wanted the headlines. Well he got them. No team wants to get involved with that BS. So they are a bunch of uneducated baffones like me also. If I owned a team I wouldn't want that on my sideline. Period. Who knows what will be next. You can't use your employment space as your pedestal. You think it was the place to do it. I don't know many companies that would put up with that maybe you do. I hired people of color and didn't think twice about doing it. I've fired whites and didn't think twice about doing it. My stupid mind tried to treat people fairly and the same. I don't watch football to see some athlete use that time space to inform me that our country has some issues. I know there are issues and they go beyond the color of skin. I watch it for entertainment.
Good for you dude. Except this country wasn't built by Europeans. It was built on free labor. Additionally, I don't play Oppression Jeopardy as far as who has had it worst. It is a pretty sick thought that you would even try to compare who got the worst end of the stick from the founding fathers. I am glad you agree that this country has problems. What are you doing about it? It is a nice privilege to be able to turn on a football game and not have to worry about the social issues of the nation. Not all of us have that privilege. Lastly, i don't believe you think about social issues are anytime during your day. I don't know why you want to use "football is entertainment" as an excuse. I would respect you more if you said you just don't give a #### because it doesn't affect you.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:23 pm
by Bowhunting Viking
YikesVikes wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:46 pm
Bowhunting Viking wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:37 pm

I apologize for that and will not continue to post about the issue.
But I must add , to a few of the members that posted, please do not include me in the group that you feel are displaying a racist point of view on the Kapernick situation. I never in my post brought up race. I have great friends of different skin colors. I dont care if a person's skin is green. I see a person for who they are and what kind of human being they are. From a very young age my parents instilled in me that we are all equal regardless of our race. So my views had NOTHING to do with the color of Kapernicks skin. Period.
I will apologize for posting a political view when the rules prohibit it. That is on me.
But, I will ask that if someone may have agreed with something I said, and then used negative comments about race or called him a POS or anything derogatory, please don't try and include me in that. I'm not that way, and will emphatically fight the perception that I am.
I just wanted to clear that up.
Now all i can say is how about that win today?
During the Civil Rights era, there were plenty of non Blacks that believed that Blacks should be treated equally. Plenty of those people did nothing to aid. It's not enough to believe everyone is equal. Do you support candidates that hold those views, do you take action to ensure that everyone is equal based on race, and do you call out inequality when you see it. I dont know where you get your news and what spin on this story you have received but you venom for this guy is unwarranted and you should do some self inflection.
Yes as a matter of fact I do. I was very instrumental in helping a black women get her job back when she fired at my place of employment. I stood up for her, did alot of digging and was the person who discovered some documents and work process forms that were altered by a supervisor, who is a blatant racist, to falsely support his decision to let her go. His daughter in law worked there and worked with this women, and she didn't like her , so she and her racist father in law basically conspired and found a way to fabricate evidence to terminate her for poor work performance. Myself and another person knew it was B.S. and figured it out. I'm happy to say that she was rehired, recieved all of her lost time back pay and now has moved into a supervision position herself, and just hit her 10 tear anniversary with the company. I wasn't very popular for a while cuz I was the Uncle Tom who got her job back.
I also am very active in the Big Brothers program, which by the way, was started by the the man who started the worldwide Corporation where my wife has worked for over 30 years. He passed away a few months ago, and his story is that of a phenomenal man who built a successful corporation and used his resources to help those less fortunate in life.
I have had the honor and the heartbreak of working with and spending countless hours with inner city kids , and unfortunately the majority of them have been children of color, who are being raised in terrible environments, most of the time without any father figure. It's a very gratifying experience to have a young man come back on his first visit back home after joining the military and calling me to have dinner together and share his new life and his aspirations. Or to have sit in the stands and watch a kid that you spent alot of time with play in the division H.S. basketball playoffs. The same kid who was headed for alot of trouble, but a few of us men spewing venom felt the need to try and step in and help. There are many other examples, such as my volunteer work with the Special Olympics, and a local ministry for prison inmates every Christmas , where we will be delivering food and presents to the families of men who are incarcerated, so they will have a nice holiday meal and presents to open up on Christmas morning. I've left so many of these situations and drove home bawling my eyes out due to the things I've seen, and the way these children are being raised. Heartbreaking doesn't come close to describing it.
I am not trying to toot my horn. I don't feel the need to announce my yearly salary, nor my educational success, to try and prove my superiority over other posters because of their views.
I just tried to distance myself from the racial view that others were presenting. Then suddenly you came here telling me that I need that I need to do some self inflection, when you have no idea of the real.person I am and the community service programs that I feel honored to be a part of.
By the way, I do have a little insight into alot of the stuff that went on behind the scenes in the NFL climate , and the feelings that alot of the players had about the whole kneeling scenario. I heard it straight from 3 very successful players while I was spending an evening with them after a day of a yearly summer youth football camp put on by a
now retired player from our local H.S. In their opinion Kapernick had ALOT more players who were critics of the way he was handling the situation as it continued on than he did supporters.
I never once in my post called him any vile names . I didnt bring his race I to it. I stated the reason why I didn't support him.
I didn't feel the need to come on here and try and flaunt my success, and accuse someone of spewing venom.
Maybe you need to step back , think about how you view your self importance, and also do a little self inflection yourself.
I will, and maybe do a little more research, and try and see if I am missing something in Kaps stance that may make me see it differently.
Maybe if we sat down and talked face to face and both saw the things each of us do to try and make this world better we may find alot of common ground.
But don't judge me when you only took a few paragraphs on my beliefs on 1 topic.
I will try and do the same with you also.
With that said, i hope you may see that i also want this world to be a better place. I hope to see grandkids before I die. And I want them to live in a better, more peaceful and tolerant world than we do now. I believe you must want the same. So I'm good with saying Peace. No more back n forth. Try and understand each other and leave it at that.
Go back to football and Vikings success. It's cool with me . Hope it is for you.

Re: Kaepernick

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:37 pm
by S197
Shutting this down. It has nothing to do with the Vikings. You guys are free to continue discussing via PMs.