Kaepernick

[Dmizzle0]

Should we consider Kap or nah?

[YikesVikes]

I would be all for it. I dont think Mannion is better at the game of football than Kap. The *circus* will be gone after 2 weeks of non-stories and the team would be better because of it.

With that said, people like to act like Kap was some awful QB before all of this. Was he Brady? nope but 16 and 4 is nothing to sneeze at.

[J. Kapp 11]

I would be all for it. I dont think Mannion is better at the game of football than Kap. The *circus* will be gone after 2 weeks of non-stories and the team would be better because of it.

With that said, people like to act like Kap was some awful QB before all of this. Was he Brady? nope but 16 and 4 is nothing to sneeze at.

16 and 4? What?

Kaepernick has a career record of 28-30. Less than 60% completions. QBR of 88. He's the epitome of average. He took the league by storm in 2012, mainly with his running, and has done little since.

He doesn't know our system. He hasn't played in 3 years. He was average when he was playing. The question seems to be pretty simple: Does his play outweigh all the baggage? For me, the answer is no.

[CharVike]

I would be all for it. I dont think Mannion is better at the game of football than Kap. The *circus* will be gone after 2 weeks of non-stories and the team would be better because of it.

With that said, people like to act like Kap was some awful QB before all of this. Was he Brady? nope but 16 and 4 is nothing to sneeze at.

16 and 4? What?

Kaepernick has a career record of 28-30. Less than 60% completions. QBR of 88. He's the epitome of average. He took the league by storm in 2012, mainly with his running, and has done little since.

He doesn't know our system. He hasn't played in 3 years. He was average when he was playing. The question seems to be pretty simple: Does his play outweigh all the baggage? For me, the answer is no.

Outside of the fact that he's not a very good QB you need to worry about what stunt he will pull next. A pain in the A player who's not that good. The NFL only did this BS on the advice of there legal team. There's not a team out there that wants this joke. He disrespects a country that let him pursue a dream. After all that his lying lame a$$ is still in this country. Why don't the idiot take his millions and go were it's better?

[808vikingsfan]

16 and 4? What?

Kaepernick has a career record of 28-30. Less than 60% completions. QBR of 88. He's the epitome of average. He took the league by storm in 2012, mainly with his running, and has done little since.

He doesn't know our system. He hasn't played in 3 years. He was average when he was playing. The question seems to be pretty simple: Does his play outweigh all the baggage? For me, the answer is no.

Outside of the fact that he's not a very good QB you need to worry about what stunt he will pull next. A pain in the A player who's not that good. The NFL only did this BS on the advice of there legal team. There's not a team out there that wants this joke. He disrespects a country that let him pursue a dream. After all that his lying lame a$$ is still in this country. Why don't the idiot take his millions and go were it's better?

I'd leave the political part out of the discussion as others have different views on why he did what he did.

Personally, like Kapp said, too much baggage for what he could bring to this team.

[Bowhunting Viking]

16 and 4? What?

Kaepernick has a career record of 28-30. Less than 60% completions. QBR of 88. He's the epitome of average. He took the league by storm in 2012, mainly with his running, and has done little since.

He doesn't know our system. He hasn't played in 3 years. He was average when he was playing. The question seems to be pretty simple: Does his play outweigh all the baggage? For me, the answer is no.

Outside of the fact that he's not a very good QB you need to worry about what stunt he will pull next. A pain in the A player who's not that good. The NFL only did this BS on the advice of there legal team. There's not a team out there that wants this joke. He disrespects a country that let him pursue a dream. After all that his lying lame a$$ is still in this country. Why don't the idiot take his millions and go were it's better?

Excellent post!!! My thoughts exactly.
I myself will not leave the politics out of it. I agree with you.
My favorite interview about his actions/ fiasco was a panel that included Robert O Neil, one of Seal Team 6 members who was on the mission that took out Bin Laden.
He said I will tell you what the Seal Community thinks about Kapernick, and these Hollywood and music people who slam the military, the police etc.
Specifically on Kapernick, he said he wanted to take him over to Afghanistan. Take him to an FOB in Kandahar or a hot zone. He said let's take him out of his mansion and walk outside Dee e the walls. He said I guarantee you his 40 time would improve cuz he wouldn't make it 40 yards outside those walls and kneel down and protest and disrespect the Flag anymore. Great stuff.
I know I don't want him and his circus coming to Minny. And I have no doubt Zimmer wouldn't have a thing to do with it either.
Besides all that, after his 1st big year D Coordinators figured him out and made him a below average QB after that.
He made his millions and got all the popularity and notoriety he craved.
Go away Kapernick. I personally hope, and believe, we never see him in the NFL again. If we do, I hope it's short lived and he fails miserably.

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

I'd leave the political part out of the discussion as others have different views on why he did what he did.

It's impossible to leave politics out of it and I'm not sure why there are so many different views on why he did what he did. He made it clear. His quote "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

There is no doubt that there has been oppression and that racism still exists, AND that in this country you can peaceably protest, BUT to do so by disrespecting the flag, which so many have fought and died for is appalling. Furthermore, if this protest is to be made in some sensible fashion, it should not be made by a person who had made millions playing a sport and through endorsements in the very country in which he claims this oppression.

I don't care what his skills are. I don't want any player that brings the negativity, and distractions that come along with him to my team.

[Rhodes Closed]

As the only member (likely) of the youngest generation on this site, I still don't see how Kaepernick was disrespecting the flag by kneeling; it was a gesture advised to him by a member of the US Military. It's his right to protest how he sees fit, that is not disrespecting the flag; in fact, that is upholding and respecting his First Amendment Rights over all else. Telling somebody that he can't kneel for the flag because it's disrespectful, and that he should leave the country for it, is in fact more disrespectful than kneeling in protest and you should feel ashamed if you actually feel that way. The man has donated time, effort, and money to charities in America and people still treat him as some sort of inhuman monster for kneeling. How ridiculous is that? People didn't just die to keep the flag waving, they died so that people could protest the flag in any way they want. The moment people take away their right to protest, we become no better than countries like China (in regards to Hong Kong).

He's an average QB who will do fine anywhere that wants to hire him, irregardless if it's a backup position or not. He doesn't need the money at this point thanks to his Nike partnership. The Vikings don't need him, but there are a slew of teams that could use his skillset and build off him until they finish rebuilding: Dolphins, Bengals, etc.

[Bowhunting Viking]

As the only member (likely) of the youngest generation on this site, I still don't see how Kaepernick was disrespecting the flag by kneeling; it was a gesture advised to him by a member of the US Military. It's his right to protest how he sees fit, that is not disrespecting the flag; in fact, that is upholding and respecting his First Amendment Rights over all else. Telling somebody that he can't kneel for the flag because it's disrespectful, and that he should leave the country for it, is in fact more disrespectful than kneeling in protest and you should feel ashamed if you actually feel that way. The man has donated time, effort, and money to charities in America and people still treat him as some sort of inhuman monster for kneeling. How ridiculous is that? People didn't just die to keep the flag waving, they died so that people could protest the flag in any way they want. The moment people take away their right to protest, we become no better than countries like China (in regards to Hong Kong).

He's an average QB who will do fine anywhere that wants to hire him, irregardless if it's a backup position or not. He doesn't need the money at this point thanks to his Nike partnership. The Vikings don't need him, but there are a slew of teams that could use his skillset and build off him until they finish rebuilding: Dolphins, Bengals, etc.

We all here have our right to our opinions, so I am not replying to start and back n forth with you. I truly am not. We see it differently. As you said maybe it's the age difference, or just different views.
VikingfaninEagleland posted the quote that Kapernick made explaining his kneeling.
There were others things that he did and said in his stance against law enforcement. Unfortunately there were bad things that happened with police officers that were very unfortunate and very sad. But in my opinion the socks with pigs on it, and other actions he did, wasn't a positive action to try and raise awareness or try and make a change.
As the son of a Marine veteran who has issues with his leg from 2 bullet wounds he took in the Philippines, and listening to him pour his heart out as I grew older about the brothers in his platoon that died in battle, 1 of them while my dad was trying to help stop the bleeding in a bullet hole in the side of his chest as he died, and seeing the look on his face and the talks we had about the kneeling situation when it started, well sorry but I cant sit here and support or condone the way a multi millionaire guy that plays a game for a living went about it.
I understand people bring up the argument that those brave soldiers died for the right to voice that opinion. That is true.
But , for me, doing it by disrespecting the representation of the men and women who make that ultimate sacrifice is unacceptable for me. Like I said, for ME.
Like I said for me , I don't wanna see the guy in the NFL again, especially with the Vikings.
The guy is set financially for life so he doesn't need the money. He will continue to make money off of this situation, as soldiers will return from the war injured, disabled or suffering with PTSD and other mental and physical damage, and many will struggle to survive and get lost in the society that they made the sacrifice for. I guarantee they won't be living the life that a few years of playing a game, and not even at an elite level, that Kapernick will enjoy for the rest of his life.
So again. Not starting a fight here. I hurriedly gave my opinion and know it won't align with everyone here. But I feel that it will be the same as some others here.
That's the right we have. I just took the opportunity to state mine and that is where I will leave it.
Now i just want us to Beat the Broncos, avoid any more injuries and heal up over the bye week.
SKOL VIKINGS

[VikeFanInEagleLand]

As the only member (likely) of the youngest generation on this site, I still don't see how Kaepernick was disrespecting the flag by kneeling; it was a gesture advised to him by a member of the US Military. It's his right to protest how he sees fit, that is not disrespecting the flag; in fact, that is upholding and respecting his First Amendment Rights over all else. Telling somebody that he can't kneel for the flag because it's disrespectful, and that he should leave the country for it, is in fact more disrespectful than kneeling in protest and you should feel ashamed if you actually feel that way. The man has donated time, effort, and money to charities in America and people still treat him as some sort of inhuman monster for kneeling. How ridiculous is that? People didn't just die to keep the flag waving, they died so that people could protest the flag in any way they want. The moment people take away their right to protest, we become no better than countries like China (in regards to Hong Kong).

He's an average QB who will do fine anywhere that wants to hire him, irregardless if it's a backup position or not. He doesn't need the money at this point thanks to his Nike partnership. The Vikings don't need him, but there are a slew of teams that could use his skillset and build off him until they finish rebuilding: Dolphins, Bengals, etc.

Did you not read his quote? He did it to NOT show pride in the American flag or America...

No one ever said he doesn't have the right to protest. He wasn't arrested for it nor should he have been. But whatever or how ever someone chooses to protest, then anyone can then chose to protest his or hers protest. If I go to work tomorrow and protest that they are making me work for 8 hours, so as a result I prop my feet up and yell "Unfair treatment" all day instead of doing any work, I have the right to do so without getting arrested. BUT my employer also had the right to fire me.

So yes, many men and women have given their lives so that Colin could protest without being hauled off to prison. He could have chosen many other ways to protest other than to show (and say) that he has no pride in the flag and the country that gives him those rights. I also never said that he should leave the country. Again, many have died for his right to protest and stay here. I happen to think it's hypocritical for someone to bash a country, and have the financial means to go somewhere else if he thinks there is somewhere else better, but chooses to remain here. But yes, it's his right to do so.

[CharVike]

I'd leave the political part out of the discussion as others have different views on why he did what he did.

It's impossible to leave politics out of it and I'm not sure why there are so many different views on why he did what he did. He made it clear. His quote "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

There is no doubt that there has been oppression and that racism still exists, AND that in this country you can peaceably protest, BUT to do so by disrespecting the flag, which so many have fought and died for is appalling. Furthermore, if this protest is to be made in some sensible fashion, it should not be made by a person who had made millions playing a sport and through endorsements in the very country in which he claims this oppression.

I don't care what his skills are. I don't want any player that brings the negativity, and distractions that come along with him to my team.

Bottom line this scum bag Kap is looking to make coin. If he has some concern about people of color or whatever why don't he start something to solve it? He has millions upon millions. Spend it for the good. But he don't give a ####. And people can't see that. I see it. He wants another mansion and I don't blame him for that. I just wish he would shut his crap up and get the hell out of this s hole country. Find a better place. Go to Siberia. Thank god Speilman and Zim saw through this BS and didn't drag our team into it. We have a bum backup but I'd rather have him than this dirt ball. Mr two face.

[YikesVikes]

I would be all for it. I dont think Mannion is better at the game of football than Kap. The *circus* will be gone after 2 weeks of non-stories and the team would be better because of it.

With that said, people like to act like Kap was some awful QB before all of this. Was he Brady? nope but 16 and 4 is nothing to sneeze at.

16 and 4? What?

Kaepernick has a career record of 28-30. Less than 60% completions. QBR of 88. He's the epitome of average. He took the league by storm in 2012, mainly with his running, and has done little since.

He doesn't know our system. He hasn't played in 3 years. He was average when he was playing. The question seems to be pretty simple: Does his play outweigh all the baggage? For me, the answer is no.

His last season he had 16td to 4int. Put that over a 16 game season it is 23tds to 5 ints and 3 rushing tds.
That's not average. Lets not forget what a dumpster fire the 49ers were. He had nothing to throw to. That average QB also made it to a superbowl. Something our amazing Qbs havent done in almost 50 years. Are you really trying to tell me that Sean Mannion is a better QB. Please have the nearest seat sir.

[YikesVikes]

It's impossible to leave politics out of it and I'm not sure why there are so many different views on why he did what he did. He made it clear. His quote "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

There is no doubt that there has been oppression and that racism still exists, AND that in this country you can peaceably protest, BUT to do so by disrespecting the flag, which so many have fought and died for is appalling. Furthermore, if this protest is to be made in some sensible fashion, it should not be made by a person who had made millions playing a sport and through endorsements in the very country in which he claims this oppression.

I don't care what his skills are. I don't want any player that brings the negativity, and distractions that come along with him to my team.

Bottom line this scum bag Kap is looking to make coin. If he has some concern about people of color or whatever why don't he start something to solve it? He has millions upon millions. Spend it for the good. But he don't give a ####. And people can't see that. I see it. He wants another mansion and I don't blame him for that. I just wish he would shut his crap up and get the hell out of this s hole country. Find a better place. Go to Siberia. Thank god Speilman and Zim saw through this BS and didn't drag our team into it. We have a bum backup but I'd rather have him than this dirt ball. Mr two face.

What an uneducated take. Dude, you need to check either your bigotry or your lack of education. One of them is to blame.

1. "Why does he do something?"
https://www.businessinsider.com/colin-k ... ies-2018-9
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/31/ ... on-dollars
https://www.si.com/sportsperson/2017/12 ... -donations

2. Your anger directed to a person of color telling you that people of color aren't treated like you is alarming. He is pointing out that this country has some work to do. If you love this country so much, you should want it to be the best it can be. America can be better to all it's citizen. Yet, "patriots" like you would rather she not improve. Ask yourself why. Just because its amazing for you doesnt mean it cant be better for others.

3. You need to do some soul searching. You may not be screaming the N-word but you have some clear issues you should resolve.

[TSonn]

It's impossible to leave politics out of it and I'm not sure why there are so many different views on why he did what he did. He made it clear. His quote "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

There is no doubt that there has been oppression and that racism still exists, AND that in this country you can peaceably protest, BUT to do so by disrespecting the flag, which so many have fought and died for is appalling. Furthermore, if this protest is to be made in some sensible fashion, it should not be made by a person who had made millions playing a sport and through endorsements in the very country in which he claims this oppression.

I don't care what his skills are. I don't want any player that brings the negativity, and distractions that come along with him to my team.

Bottom line this scum bag Kap is looking to make coin. If he has some concern about people of color or whatever why don't he start something to solve it? He has millions upon millions. Spend it for the good. But he don't give a ####. And people can't see that. I see it. He wants another mansion and I don't blame him for that. I just wish he would shut his crap up and get the hell out of this s hole country. Find a better place. Go to Siberia. Thank god Speilman and Zim saw through this BS and didn't drag our team into it. We have a bum backup but I'd rather have him than this dirt ball. Mr two face.

Yikes man. You're proving Kap's point here.

[TSonn]

Outside of the fact that he's not a very good QB you need to worry about what stunt he will pull next. A pain in the A player who's not that good. The NFL only did this BS on the advice of there legal team. There's not a team out there that wants this joke. He disrespects a country that let him pursue a dream. After all that his lying lame a$$ is still in this country. Why don't the idiot take his millions and go were it's better?

Excellent post!!! My thoughts exactly.
I myself will not leave the politics out of it. I agree with you.
My favorite interview about his actions/ fiasco was a panel that included Robert O Neil, one of Seal Team 6 members who was on the mission that took out Bin Laden.
He said I will tell you what the Seal Community thinks about Kapernick, and these Hollywood and music people who slam the military, the police etc.
Specifically on Kapernick, he said he wanted to take him over to Afghanistan. Take him to an FOB in Kandahar or a hot zone. He said let's take him out of his mansion and walk outside Dee e the walls. He said I guarantee you his 40 time would improve cuz he wouldn't make it 40 yards outside those walls and kneel down and protest and disrespect the Flag anymore. Great stuff.
I know I don't want him and his circus coming to Minny. And I have no doubt Zimmer wouldn't have a thing to do with it either.
Besides all that, after his 1st big year D Coordinators figured him out and made him a below average QB after that.
He made his millions and got all the popularity and notoriety he craved.
Go away Kapernick. I personally hope, and believe, we never see him in the NFL again. If we do, I hope it's short lived and he fails miserably.

No disrespect to that Seal Team member but he missed the point. Kap was never disrespecting the flag or the military. He was simply trying to shed light on some big issues we have as a country in hopes of making America a better place for everyone - absolutely nothing to do with the military or the flag. So that's a nice hypothetical from Robert O' Neil but it has nothing to do with what Kap did.

Regardless, don't think the try out went that well. Too bad, though, I loved watching Kap destroy the Pack in the NFCCG and wouldn't mind him doing it again!