Eli wrote:
Coaches don't get fired after three games and two close losses.
How long can Musgrave hold on though? Do they even have another option on the coaching staff when it comes to running the offense or calling plays? Looks like we're stuck with him too.
I agree. For anyone expecting major changes this season, forget it. Ponder might get replaced at some point, although he usually does just enough to keep his starting job, and with plenty of blame to go around I expect we'll be seeing Ponder starting even if the Vikes get to 0-8. Ditto for Frazier and his staff. The Wilfs may indeed clean house, but if so they would be wise to turn the reins over to Spielman and let him make the decisions about who stays and who goes. As it stands, with the Wilfs retaining control over the head coach, and the head coach retaining complete control over his staff, there will be no changes. Maybe if the Vikes get to 0-13 there might, but even then, who the heck would want to take the reins of a team like that during a season?
S197 wrote:
Other than Gordon, I don't really see any really good receivers. Bess was undrafted and picked up from Miami for a very late (7th?) round pick. Greg Little hasn't done anything in two years.
Bess averaged 60 a year in Miami for 5 years at 10.4 a catch. Not any good at all.
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Raptorman wrote:
Bess averaged 60 a year in Miami for 5 years at 10.4 a catch. Not any good at all.
I'm from Hawaii, trust me, I know what Bess is capable of and he was a steal when he went undrafted. All that being said, I don't think many would classify the Browns receiving corps as "good."
Demi wrote:
How long can Musgrave hold on though? Do they even have another option on the coaching staff when it comes to running the offense or calling plays? Looks like we're stuck with him too.
Going to be a long season.
The guys in front of me at the game were joking that we always run on 2nd and 10. Sure enough, we didn't throw on 2nd annd 10 the same ntire game. He is the worst OC we have ever had.
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This team just has no edge to it. I thought the home game would bring it out....and it looked like the 2nd half would redeem them, but the failure to execute any semblance of a drive late in the 4th and the complete meltdown on defense with the game on the line, points to this team being too lax mentally and fundamentally.
The Browns, despite repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot, just out worked and scrapped their way past, what looks to be a rudderless Viking team.
They just look a week behind in so many ways.
Ponder's 2 TD runs looked like they had just been added to the playchart. Woulda been a great call last week on 2nd and goal.
They are not fooling anyone on either side of the ball at the critical moments of the game....it looks like the opposite is happening in fact. Even the 4th down play that KWill batted down, the defense was not set or even ready for that play. Great play by him....but wow. They look confused.
The Breeze wrote:This team just has no edge to it. I thought the home game would bring it out....and it looked like the 2nd half would redeem them, but the failure to execute any semblance of a drive late in the 4th and the complete meltdown on defense with the game on the line, points to this team being too lax mentally and fundamentally.
I agree, our team is playing the way Frazier looks on the sideline.
"Our playoff loss to the Vikings in '87 was probably the most traumatic experience I had in sports." -- Bill Walsh
Slowly raise your hand if you knew it was over the second Cleveland got the ball back with under 3 to go.
Honestly, I am not surprised we lost. Yet again, awful QB play, offensive line play (Fusco. ####. Sucks.) , coaching (dig your own damn grave Musgrave) and typical Cover 2 defense did us in yet again today.
Honestly, this team cannot even tackle well. How in the hell are you supposed to win a football game when you cannot even execute basic fundamentals?
I could go into so much more detail but I am not gonna waste my breath. All I know is I lost count of how many times we called boot PA at 9 times. What a joke. What an offense, what an offense. SMFH
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HardcoreVikesFan wrote:Slowly raise your hand if you knew it was over the second Cleveland got the ball back with under 3 to go.
If it weren't the Browns I woulda thought that, but because it was the Browns I kept thinking, this is the Browns, they blow these games worse than we do. Then the TD happened. But then we got to the 35 after all the check downs and YAC with 2 shots at the EZ and I just kept thinking Ponder would pull off a miracle because this is the Browns. Kramer did it to the Browns in 1980 so it had all the makings. Came close on the 1st pass, Simpson had his hands on the ball, but then I punched myself in the face for even thinking we'd win a game like that when Ponder got sacked. Yep that was more befitting of a Viking finish. Sacked on a 3 man rush.
"Our playoff loss to the Vikings in '87 was probably the most traumatic experience I had in sports." -- Bill Walsh
Slowly raise your hand if you knew it was over the second Cleveland got the ball back with under 3 to go.
Yep. Just like when the Bears got it last week. I posted in another thread as soon as this bend but don't break defense takes the field needing to force a stop on a final drive, it's over. And it happens again the next week. As soon as the Browns got the ball I knew they'd score a TD.
BGM wrote:Ponder's legs=great
Ponder's arm=not so much
Marcus Sherels had a great game, as did Harrison Smith. Why was there no help on that side of the field on the Brown's TD?
AD is trying to find his groove. He did well considering he was facing one of the best run Ds in the NFL.
No imagination whatsoever, offensively or defensively.
You forgot special teams.
I thought they showed some imagination on defense in the second half. On offense, it was nowhere to be seen. Musgrave's instincts as a playcaller leave a LOT to be desired.
Want to fire someone? Let's consider the OL coach and the DL coach. Something is VERY wrong n the trenches and it is not a lack of talent. It's a lack of putting these guys in a position to make plays on the DL and improving their game on the OL. I refuse to believe Loadholt and Co. cannot be coached up.
They were brutal again today. The o-line was just manhandled by the Browns on way too many plays.
the focus is always on the offensive side of the ball. understandable, but twice the vikings defense was given a lead with under 4 minutes to go and twice the vikings walk off losers. what happens prior to that is really of little consequence. there was so much back and forth, up and down these last two games, it all evened out when the defense was asked to make a stop. i love that the defense has been forcing turnovers, but make just one play and the vikings are 2-1
Reignman wrote:If it weren't the Browns I woulda thought that, but because it was the Browns I kept thinking, this is the Browns, they blow these games worse than we do. Then the TD happened. But then we got to the 35 after all the check downs and YAC with 2 shots at the EZ and I just kept thinking Ponder would pull off a miracle because this is the Browns. Kramer did it to the Browns in 1980 so it had all the makings. Came close on the 1st pass, Simpson had his hands on the ball, but then I punched myself in the face for even thinking we'd win a game like that when Ponder got sacked. Yep that was more befitting of a Viking finish. Sacked on a 3 man rush.
The sad thing is that the long pass on the second to the last play of the game was short of the end zone. If Simpson had caught it, he probably would have been down at the 1 or 2 yd line and we would have lost the game as the clock would have run out before we could get set for another play. Ponder's couldn't get it into the end zone from the 35 yd. line.
soflavike wrote:The sad thing is that the long pass on the second to the last play of the game was short of the end zone. If Simpson had caught it, he probably would have been down at the 1 or 2 yd line and we would have lost the game as the clock would have run out before we could get set for another play. Ponder's couldn't get it into the end zone from the 35 yd. line.
You're probably right about that, then that would have been an end befitting of the Vikings as well. Came up just short haha.
But I can't stop laughing at your avatar
"Our playoff loss to the Vikings in '87 was probably the most traumatic experience I had in sports." -- Bill Walsh
tmscr wrote:the focus is always on the offensive side of the ball. understandable, but twice the vikings defense was given a lead with under 4 minutes to go and twice the vikings walk off losers. what happens prior to that is really of little consequence. there was so much back and forth, up and down these last two games, it all evened out when the defense was asked to make a stop. i love that the defense has been forcing turnovers, but make just one play and the vikings are 2-1
They don't have the personnel to make plays. Smith is our only building piece in his prime. Greenway, KWill, Allen, Robison. All are over 30. Our other tackle? Corners? Sanford? Our other two linebackers? Wouldn't even make most rosters. No one wanted Bishop or Erin. They hit free agency, no interest, signed next to nothing deals. Said it at the time, but nooo I'm just negative. This isn't rocket science. Our defense lacks talent. And the talent we do have is on the wrong side of 30. We're rebuilding, fine. But we invested a bunch in offense lately, and negated the defense...and it's showing.
What's even worse? We have a coaching staff with their "system" that isn't willing to adjust or even try to adjust and hide those weaknesses. You saw that final play on the Browns touchdown, you have a back and tight end, no matter how good the safety is they aren't making that play when the offense knows exactly what is coming.
