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EAGAN, Minn. — The magnitude of the Week 18 regular-season finale between Minnesota (14-2) and Detroit (14-2) expands beyond the NFC North to NFL history.

Since playoff seeding began in 1975, this will be just the third time that two opponents have played in the final game of the regular season with the No. 1 seed in a conference on the line (1979 Dallas defeated Washington; 1993 the New York Giants topped the Cowboys).

This is the NFL's first regular-season game in which both teams have 13-plus wins before kickoff, and there's quite a bit on the line.

The winner will earn a first-round bye to advance to the Divisional Round and have the opportunity to host up to two NFC Playoff games (Divisional Round and NFC Championship Game] in competing for a trip to Super Bowl LIX.

The loser will be the No. 5 seed and have to go on the road in the Wild Card Round, visiting Tampa Bay, Los Angeles or Atlanta, depending on what happens.

History obviously has significantly favored No. 1 seeds over No. 5 seeds, but there's never been a No. 5 seed with 14 wins.

Since 1975, a No. 1 seed has made the Super Bowl 55.1 percent of the time, but a No. 5 seed has only made it 3.3 percent of the time.

Kickoff is 7:20 p.m. (CT), and the game will air nationally on NBC.

4 Storylines

1. Historic matchup

There have been two regular-season matchups in NFL history with 25 combined wins.

The 15-0 Patriots played the 10-5 Giants in Week 17 in 2007, and eventual NFC Champion Seattle (12-2) faced Indianapolis (13-1) in Week 16 in 2005. There have been 10 instances of teams with 24 combined wins meeting in the regular season, including in Week 14 of 1926, according to NFL Research when the 10-2-1 Pottsville Maroons and 14-1-1 Frankfurt Yellow Jackets played to a 0-all tie in the season finale.

Well, buckle up, folks, because this Black and Blue divisional meetup tops every previous game.

Minnesota and Detroit boast 14 wins apiece – that's 28 for the mathematically-challenged out there (there's no shame in that). That haul of wins is so rare it's been witnessed in the playoffs only five times.

Teams with 14-plus wins met in Super Bowls LVII, XXXIII and XIX, as well as the 2004 AFC Championship Game and 1998 NFC Championship Game, the latter of which featured a somber Vikings playoff exit.

The records entering Week 18 make for an astonishing tidbit of history.

Now, Minnesota will try to land on the good side of it.

2. Blake Cashman's impact

He streamlines defensive communication as the "Green Dot" player.

He takes on and defeats run blocks in the box and expertly drops into zone coverages.

He mugs gaps pre-snap or times up cadences and rushes quarterbacks with a unique ferociousness.

Minnesota is 13-0 this season in games with its fearless inside linebacker. The Lions in Week 7 caught Minnesota during the first of three games Blake Cashman missed with a toe injury – but the Minnesota native will be in the lineup on Sunday Night Football.

Blake Cashman Assesses The Defense's Performance Against The Packers, Team's Trust In Sam Darnold

Cashman leads the Vikings defense with 104 tackles and 63 solo. He's fifth on the team with 10 hits on quarterbacks and eight passes defended, and fourth with 4.5 sacks and eight tackles for loss. The 28-year-old is indispensable to Vikings Defensive Coordinator Brian Flores' group functioning in top form.

Flores said this week that Cashman's natural leadership has a way of bringing people together.

When Cashman has played, Minnesota has allowed 331.1 yards of offense per game and 83.9 yards on the ground, and the unit's been extremely opportunistic, swiping 2.1 takeaways and notching 3.0 sacks per game.

Without him, the unit permitted 334.7 yards and 106.3 rushing, with 1.3 turnovers forced and 2.3 sacks per contest.

3. Fourth down juggernauts

In 2021, the Next Gen Stats Analytics Team introduced its machine-learning "Decision Guide."

Coaches were crunching numbers and deciding whether they should risk the biscuit and go for it on fourth down long before one of the industry leaders developed a series of tools that breaks down outcomes in real time, but the implementation of it acutely stressed the shift in the football world.

It helped fans understand the potential rewards of keeping the ball in the quarterback's hands and leaving punters and kickers in the warm-up zone. Ironically, the NGS Decision Guide coincided with …

… Dan Campbell being hired by Detroit.

As the leader of the Lions, Campbell has instructed the offense to stay on the field and attempt to convert on fourth down on 147 occasions since 2021. Detroit has succeeded 82 times (55.8%). Both pace the NFL in that time frame.

For comparison's sake, Vikings Head Coach Kevin O'Connell, who was hired in 2022, has gone for it on fourth down 58 times and converted 32 (55.2%). In that span, Campbell's group has tried and thrived on 61 of 106 (57.5%). In 2024, Detroit's 20 conversions on fourth ranks third; Minnesota's six is dead last.

Fortunately, the Vikings have a defense equipped to counteract Campbell's aggressiveness.

Minnesota has succumbed on 11 instances out of 31 dice rolls (35.5%). It's the stiffest fourth-down defense in the league by a fat margin – Baltimore and Detroit are tied for next at 46.2% (both 12 of 26).

4. Justin Jefferson (that's it)

In his career, Randy Moss compiled 747 receiving yards across seven games on the road at Detroit.

Minnesota's current earth-shattering WR, Justin Jefferson, has recorded 730 – in four such games!

Here's how that looks: Jefferson caught nine of 12 targets for 133 yards in Week 17 of the 2020 slate, his introduction to the Motor City. In Week 13 of 2021, he went for 11-182-1 via 14 targets, and in Week 14 one year later, Jefferson set the franchise regular-season, single-game receiving record with 223 yards, nabbing 11 of 15 targets. His encore to that was a spectacular 12-192-1 line by way of 14 passes in Week 18 last season.

The freakish production computes to 182.5 receiving yards per game on the Lions home turf.

That, plus Jefferson's recent string of dominance – he has 457 yards and five touchdowns in his past five games – and Detroit's defense being short-handed because of the injury bug, means history could repeat itself Sunday.

The more you know: Only Moss, fellow Pro Football Hall of Fame split end Raymond Berry (840 yards in 11 games) and three-time Pro Bowl receiver Carroll Dale, who spent the bulk of his 14-year career on the Packers and his final season with the Vikings (1,006 in 14 games), have more receiving yards at Detroit than Jefferson.

The next 25 entries on the list, with yards ranging from Donald Driver (726) to Stefon Diggs (404), including the likes of Adam Thielen, Cris Carter and Jerry Rice, amassed their totals in five or more games.

Oh and in roadies at Ford Field, which opened in 2002, it's basically Jefferson's building as he already has 31 more yards than the No. 2 visiting receiver, Donald Driver, who gathered his tally of 699 from 2002-12.


3 Things 'Bout the Lions

1. Top scoring offense


Ten teams in history have scored more points through 16 games than the 533 posted by the Lions.

Editor's note: The 1998 Vikings are sixth on the all-time list with 556 points scored in their 15-1 season.

Detroit's offense leads the league this year with 33.1 points per game. Buffalo (31.8) and Baltimore (30.2) are the only others averaging more than 30. Since Week 14, Detroit's average has spiked to 37.5.

It's a historically dominant campaign overall in terms of points combined with taking care of the football.

The Lions are the first team with five games in a season of 40-plus points and zero turnovers; they're undefeated in those circumstances. The only teams with four such games are the 2024 Bills (3-1) and the 2019 Ravens (4-0). Nine teams have done it thrice, dating to the Rock Island Independents in 1920.

Detroit did it most recently in its Monday Night Football win at San Francisco in Week 17.

In that escapade, the Lions scored 18 of 40 points in the third frame and had zero giveaways on 69 plays.

Furthermore, they've produced the second-most total yards in the NFL and committed the fourth-fewest turnovers this year. In Week 11 vs. Jacksonville, they garnered the ninth-most yards in a game (645) and third most in the third millennium; Miami set the record with 726 in 2023, and Houston had 653 in 2012.

2. Ravaged by injuries

The NFL season is a grind of attrition that has no qualms about sneaking up on the scariest teams.

Case in point, Detroit.

The list of Lions currently on Injured Reserve is extensive. It features 18 players total and includes defensive starters Alex Anzalone, Derrick Barnes, Carlton Davis III, Aidan Hutchinson, Alim McNeill and Malcolm Rodriguez, as well as dangerous punt returner Kalif Raymond, who has been designated for return. Stud running back David Montgomery also hasn't played since suffering an MCL sprain in Detroit's Week 15 loss against Buffalo.

Detroit did regain two key players on MNF in starting left guard Graham Glasgow and core special teams player and linebacker Jalen Reeves-Maybin. Montgomery is projected to make a return in the playoffs.

Also, Hutchinson, who had 7.5 sacks in five games this year and was hurt right before the Week 7 matchup, is reportedly working to rejoin the lineup if the Lions manage to make a deep postseason run.

3. Fantastic foursome

There were four instances in the past 30-plus seasons entering 2024 of four players on a team each surpassing 1,000 scrimmage yards. (No siree, there's never been a team with five such individuals.)

Detroit is the fifth – but the first with a tandem of running backs and wide receivers.

Jahmyr Gibbs leads the way on the Lions spread-the-wealth attack, with 1,273 rushing yards and 486 receiving for a whopping total of 1,759, which is third in the NFL. Amon-Ra St. Brown is second with 1,192 scrimmage yards while Montgomery is third (1,116) and Jameson Williams fourth (1,028).

The four other teams with 1,000-yard quartets in that span are San Francisco in 2023 (Brandon Aiyuk, George Kittle, Christian McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel), Carolina in 2020 (Robbie Chosen, Mike Davis, DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel), Indianapolis in 2004 (Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Brandon Stokley and Reggie Wayne) and Atlanta in 1995 (Bert Emanuel, Craig Heyward, Terance Mathis and Eric Metcalf).

Detroit's foursome is particularly unique in that each player really is so different.

Gibbs has a speedy yet slashing running style, plays with a forward lean and can run post routes out of the backfield. He's about as hard to defend as anyone. St. Brown is a possession phenom, with 109 receptions and only a single drop according to Pro Football Focus – and strong. Montgomery is a bruising runner that has more wiggle than any player who is almost 230 pounds should. And Williams is a smell-ya-later speed threat.

Add to all that a tough-to-defend tight end in Sam LaPorta, who has 663 yards on 53 catches and seven touchdowns in Year 2, and a deep room of veteran wideouts – Tim Patrick, Raymond and Allen Robinson.

Of course, the guy distributing to the players above is amidst a special year, too.

Jared Goff ranks second among NFL passers in yards, third in completion percent and fourth in TDs. He's tracking to become the third QB all-time to conduct the No. 1 scoring offense on multiple teams (also with the Rams in 2017; 29.9 points per game), joining Pro Football Hall of Fame QBs Peyton Manning and Y.A. Tittle.

2 Vikings to Track

Justin Jefferson: Jefferson needs 21 yards for the third 1,500-yard season of his career and become the sixth player all-time with three such seasons. Jerry Rice, who played 20 seasons has the all-time record of four 1,500-yard seasons. Reminder that Jefferson is in just his fifth campaign. He also needs seven receptions to pass Steve Jordan (498) for fourth in Vikings history and eight to reach the 500-catch mark.

Sam Darnold: With one more touchdown pass, Darnold solely will rank second all-time in one season by a Vikings QB and only trail 39 by Daunte Culpepper in 2004. If he posts a passer rating of 100 or higher, he will tie the NFL record of 14 such games in a season, which was set by Aaron Rodgers in 2020. If he throws more than one touchdown, it will be his 13th game of 2024 with two-plus scoring passes and break a team record set by Kirk Cousins in 2020 and matched in 2021.

1 Key Matchup

Cashman and Co. vs. Gibbs

Gibbs has three games this season with 100-plus rushing and 40-plus receiving yards.

He reached that many in Weeks 16-17 – and in Week 7 at U.S. Bank Stadium.

It's impossible to overstate, this week specifically, how important it is for Cashman and Minnesota's entire defense to set edges, play with great technique and patience, and collectively swarm to Gibbs in space – because he shifts gear and thus game momentum as briskly as any NFL player in recent memory.

In Week 7, the second-year running back out of Alabama rushed 15 times for 116 yards, with touchdown runs of 45 and 8. He coupled his 7.7-yard average on the ground with four receptions for 44 and a long catch of 18.

To gauge the seriousness of Gibbs' skills, here's a couple of stats from analytics site Pro Football Focus:

Gibbs has 23 "breakaway" rushes that have gained 15-plus yards. That's No. 2 to MVP option Saquon Barkley (25), which is mind-boggling considering Gibbs has 118 fewer rush attempts.
Similarly, Gibbs has 37 "explosive" runs of 10-plus yards, which is third behind the Eagles star (46) and Baltimore' workhorse Derrick Henry (41), who has carried 78 times more than Gibbs.
And one more from NGS:

Gibbs is the inaugural player in the Next Gen Stats Era, dating to 2018, to average 2.5 yards per carry before contact and5 yards after contact in the same season (minimum 200 attempts).
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The post above lays it out very good. I like our chances in this game. We are a well coached serious team playing together very well, We have proven our ability to go on the road and win. The Lions will score points but we will score also. I think Flores will find a way to get some pressure on Goff and not allow Gibbs to take a long one to the house. The part that worries me is special teams. Powell makes me nervous fielding a punt and there have been times he's had space and didn't take advantage of it. Wright has hit some clunkers along with some bombs. The never know what you will get is troubling. I expect the Lions to go for most 4th downs and I also expect a trick play. We got them the last time on a trick play. I see it 29-27 us.
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It's kind of funny, because in many ways these teams are mirror images of each other. Both have offenses that can move and score with the Lions arguably being perhaps a little more proficient at the scoring part and perhaps a little less prone to turn the ball over on offense.

Defensively, the two teams are likewise similar in key ways. Both teams struggle against the pass, but are better against the run, with the Vikings enjoying the relatively slight advantage overall.

Special teams are likewise pretty even. Both teams have a field goal kicker they can rely on and neither team has huge liabilities.

Both teams come into this game sporting identical 14-2 records. Their prior meeting was a statistical dead heat with the Lions winning on a late field goal.

It's hard to predict the outcome of a game like this. The stakes couldn't be higher. The winner of this game walks away with the division crown, the best record in the NFC, a first-round bye and home field advantage as long as they last. The loser ends up as the 5th seed, will play in the first round, and likely be on the road as long as they last.

Honestly, this is the sort of game you want to see a good team play right before the playoffs. This is the definition of pressure. This is the sort of game that will show what a team is made out of. Do they rise to the challenge, or fold? Can they take a punch or three and dish it back as good as they get, or will they be the ones dishing out the punishment and dictating the pace? If either of these teams has Superbowl chops they will discover it here, in this game. All the other games leading up to this put them on this stage with these stakes - now is when each finds out if all of that sacrifice and all of that effort matches or exceeds that of the most worthy of opponent the NFL can offer. This isn't a Superbowl preview because it can't be, but I do think it will illustrate which of these teams is ready to take that challenge on this year and I think the winner of this game will ultimately represent the NFC in the Superbowl this year.

So let's go Vikes! :govikes:
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I think the Vikings win easy...main reason is the coaching staff. I think from top to bottom we have the edge. They have the biggest rah rah cheerleader running their team and we have a calm, composed leader running ours. Cream rises to the top here.
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We lost the first matchup by a field goal with seconds on the clock. Anxious to see how much we have improved.
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This is such a huge game, I dont know if im going to be able to watch. No coffee all afternoon for sure. :govikes: :govikes: :govikes:
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I can acknowledge right off the bat, my scarred Viking fandom won't let me be confident about this game. Envious of those of you who can. I think it's going to be a very close game, like the first one, hopefully with us on the winning side this time. Anzalone looks like he will be back for the Det defense. Their offense is stupid good, and Johnson is a great play caller. Both teams have the same strengths.

FWIW, the rah rah HC is 4-1 against KOC.

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OK, I was way off on the blowout prediction against the Fudgepackers, but here's how I see it tonight: Close game, lots of points and we pay them back with a 31-29 win. But we usually choke on the olive. God I hope I'm right. If not we go traveling....
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Tark wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:33 pm OK, I was way off on the blowout prediction against the Fudgepackers, but here's how I see it tonight: Close game, lots of points and we pay them back with a 31-29 win. God I hope I'm right. If not we go traveling....
I hate how the NFL does their seeding. It's absurd either Min or Det has to go on the road in round 1 to the nfc south winner. They need to adopt the nba model where you keep divisions for scheduling and tie breaker, however just seed based off best records in conference play imho.
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makila wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:50 pm I hate how the NFL does their seeding. It's absurd either Min or Det has to go on the road in round 1 to the nfc south winner. They need to adopt the nba model where you keep divisions for scheduling and tie breaker, however just seed based off best records in conference play imho.
I agree. Looks like Rams are trying to lose as well by resting starters, so whoever loses this game has to go on the road and play the Rams. I'd rather go on the road and play the Bucs, but don't think the Rams are going to beat Seattle(currently losing).

Vikings just need to beat Detroit. I think the 3 most dangerous teams in the NFC playoffs for the Vikings are the Eagles, Lions, and Rams and it would be great for Detroit/LA to have to fight it out.
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So it is painfully obvious that we HAVE TO address the interior OL.
Darnold has so much pressure on every drop back. The Lions are bringing pressure up the gut constantly and Darnold is not looking good.
10-9 bad guys right now, but damn we should have at least 24 on the board
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Yuck...that was absolutely ugly.
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I love Kevin O’Connell. I think he’s the best young coach in the league.

But Aaron Glenn and the Detroit Lions handed him his lunch. They blitzed virtually every down, and the Vikings receivers just kept running deep. No chance for Sam Darnold to escape.

It’s very disappointing.
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That was a very illuminating loss.

Darnold was terrible. That is the Sam Darnold that bounced around the league for years and ended up signing a $10 million, one year deal as a placeholder QB. To be fair to him, he didn't get much help from his teammates or his head coach, but he had chances to connect for some scores and he punted every chance. He did not rise to the occasion when the team needed him the most.

But as mentioned, he was far from alone.

KOC... I used to criticize Dan Campbell for his emotional, somewhat irrational decision-making. But it was KOC's turn tonight to play Mr. Big Balls. You are on the road. You take the points. You still might lose (and probably would have tonight regardless), but you get those precious points. And the multiple delay of games. The failure to adjust to the Lions' pressure schemes in any way. It was easily his worst performance as the head coach this year. What a time to have it.

Will Reichard... What the heck was that kickoff at the end of the 1st half? Costly. Misses another kick wide right. His counterpart executed. Again, not the difference but easily could have been.

The defense... For the most part I thought they actually came to play, but again, as they have all year, they go into that dumb zone and give up easy throws. I hate that zone. Why Flores ever runs that is beyond me. It never works, except for the other team.

Otherwise, I won't rag on the defense too much. They were not great, but got zero help from the offense.

But I save the worst unit for last, and that is the Vikings receivers. These guys are among the best in the league? These guys? Yeah, the depleted Lions, who are literally down to their last secondary player, completely shut down the Vikings passing game all night. Nobody can beat the 3rd stringers in the Lions secondary I guess. Multiple drops. Just not beating coverage. Yeah, Darnold sucked too, and I don't want to take anything away from how bad he was, but the supposed best receiver in the NFL was completely neutralized all night. Addison couldn't do anything. Hockenson was a non-factor. I felt like a successful Vikings offensive play was 3 yards passing or running. They let the Lions defense blitz and never burned it once.

The 2024 Vikings are the same frauds as the 2022 Vikings. Maybe they're statistically better but they will fold in the end just the same. Lucy pulls the ball out on us yet again...
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That was a tough loss. Plenty of blame to go around. Off to LA for a rematch.
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