CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:16 pm
In the end it's not a competition. They are trying to coach Darnold up and turn him into a solid starter by week 1. KOC who gets the blame for the Haskins bust don't won't another on his resume. Darnold is a hedge your bet player. He was named the starter immediately. Once he has a few bad outings in a row they will yank him. I just hope KOC doesn't sit there like he did with Dobbs. You can't take it to the point when scoring becomes impossible for a few games. Once he turns into Mullens and makes too many mistakes for a chance to win then he needs to sit and let JJM takover. That's probably the best for JJM also.
Pretty much what I’ve taken from it. JJM has looked great in camp and it hasn’t resulted in any type of split in first team touches, like what did the guy have to do to get a chance? KOC lying through his teeth if he says QB is an open competition.
With the practice rules there isn't really enough time to make sure both players form a connection with the starters. Both of them are learning the offense but Darnold already has experience in a similar scheme. Can you really afford to completely split snaps? JJ is getting eased into getting some reps with the 1s but Darnold was named the started coming in so he'll have to lose his spot. JJ will need to more than match Darnold's play to get onto the field but I don't think the gap will need to be that wide.
Also, just because he's not playing with the 1's doesn't mean he's not showing the coaches how well he knows the playbook. It doesn't mean he's not being taken seriously as a potential starter.
Pretty much what I’ve taken from it. JJM has looked great in camp and it hasn’t resulted in any type of split in first team touches, like what did the guy have to do to get a chance? KOC lying through his teeth if he says QB is an open competition.
With the practice rules there isn't really enough time to make sure both players form a connection with the starters. Both of them are learning the offense but Darnold already has experience in a similar scheme. Can you really afford to completely split snaps? JJ is getting eased into getting some reps with the 1s but Darnold was named the started coming in so he'll have to lose his spot. JJ will need to more than match Darnold's play to get onto the field but I don't think the gap will need to be that wide.
Also, just because he's not playing with the 1's doesn't mean he's not showing the coaches how well he knows the playbook. It doesn't mean he's not being taken seriously as a potential starter.
I personally think if JJM is matching Darnolds play with 2nd stringers that’s more than enough to warrant first team reps, he’s essentially matching Darnold without our star players. Why wouldn’t he be able to do better with better talent?
“I remember my mistakes more than my success.” - Adrian Peterson
Pretty much what I’ve taken from it. JJM has looked great in camp and it hasn’t resulted in any type of split in first team touches, like what did the guy have to do to get a chance? KOC lying through his teeth if he says QB is an open competition.
With the practice rules there isn't really enough time to make sure both players form a connection with the starters. Both of them are learning the offense but Darnold already has experience in a similar scheme. Can you really afford to completely split snaps? JJ is getting eased into getting some reps with the 1s but Darnold was named the started coming in so he'll have to lose his spot. JJ will need to more than match Darnold's play to get onto the field but I don't think the gap will need to be that wide.
Also, just because he's not playing with the 1's doesn't mean he's not showing the coaches how well he knows the playbook. It doesn't mean he's not being taken seriously as a potential starter.
IMO they put the team in a very bad position. The are trying to fix an NFL vet bust while also developing a rookie. None of us know how this will unfold. Ideally Darnold with coaching and different supporting cast becomes the type of QB his draft spot would indicate. In the meantime JJM can go through KOC's open-ended develop and play whenever he's ready. We all know ideally very seldom happens. Miracles happen more. So if Darnold continues to be a less than desired player and JJM isn't ready then what? Turn to noodle arm Nick? KAM and KOC (K-Team) both talk in circles. They don't even know what they said because it was a lie. KOC knows he's screwed but he can't come out and say that. If I was a HC I'd rather have a proven vet who knew the offense than what is there now. As a HC you need to win as many as possible or you will be gone and never get another HC job. Meanwhile the fans will see another horror show. The Wilf's are lucky because the stadium will sell out no matter what they put out there.
With the practice rules there isn't really enough time to make sure both players form a connection with the starters. Both of them are learning the offense but Darnold already has experience in a similar scheme. Can you really afford to completely split snaps? JJ is getting eased into getting some reps with the 1s but Darnold was named the started coming in so he'll have to lose his spot. JJ will need to more than match Darnold's play to get onto the field but I don't think the gap will need to be that wide.
Also, just because he's not playing with the 1's doesn't mean he's not showing the coaches how well he knows the playbook. It doesn't mean he's not being taken seriously as a potential starter.
I personally think if JJM is matching Darnolds play with 2nd stringers that’s more than enough to warrant first team reps, he’s essentially matching Darnold without our star players. Why wouldn’t he be able to do better with better talent?
I think it's probably because he's mostly also playing against the second string defense. We'll see what happens. This will be the first preseason that has interested me in a while.
With the practice rules there isn't really enough time to make sure both players form a connection with the starters. Both of them are learning the offense but Darnold already has experience in a similar scheme. Can you really afford to completely split snaps? JJ is getting eased into getting some reps with the 1s but Darnold was named the started coming in so he'll have to lose his spot. JJ will need to more than match Darnold's play to get onto the field but I don't think the gap will need to be that wide.
Also, just because he's not playing with the 1's doesn't mean he's not showing the coaches how well he knows the playbook. It doesn't mean he's not being taken seriously as a potential starter.
IMO they put the team in a very bad position. The are trying to fix an NFL vet bust while also developing a rookie. None of us know how this will unfold. Ideally Darnold with coaching and different supporting cast becomes the type of QB his draft spot would indicate. In the meantime JJM can go through KOC's open-ended develop and play whenever he's ready. We all know ideally very seldom happens. Miracles happen more. So if Darnold continues to be a less than desired player and JJM isn't ready then what? Turn to noodle arm Nick? KAM and KOC (K-Team) both talk in circles. They don't even know what they said because it was a lie. KOC knows he's screwed but he can't come out and say that. If I was a HC I'd rather have a proven vet who knew the offense than what is there now. As a HC you need to win as many as possible or you will be gone and never get another HC job. Meanwhile the fans will see another horror show. The Wilf's are lucky because the stadium will sell out no matter what they put out there.
They really wanted to draft a QB last year, I believe. They wanted Kirk to be the bridge QB, not Darnold. Them not being able to draft a QB in the previous draft is what really put them in this position. That's just bad luck, really. Their draft pick that year was too low to move up without giving away too much.
Darnold will have to have a complete meltdown to be replaced if JJ isn't ready. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His previous receivers weren't just "not as good as" the ones he'll have now, the talent gap between them is the Grand Canyon.
There is no question that McCarthy is our future. Some believe, like me, that he should be our present. He should be able to be ready by day one or he isn't the QB we though we were getting when we drafted him. If he's not ready than shame on the coaches for being unable to get him ready.
CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:34 pm
IMO they put the team in a very bad position. The are trying to fix an NFL vet bust while also developing a rookie. None of us know how this will unfold. Ideally Darnold with coaching and different supporting cast becomes the type of QB his draft spot would indicate. In the meantime JJM can go through KOC's open-ended develop and play whenever he's ready. We all know ideally very seldom happens. Miracles happen more. So if Darnold continues to be a less than desired player and JJM isn't ready then what? Turn to noodle arm Nick? KAM and KOC (K-Team) both talk in circles. They don't even know what they said because it was a lie. KOC knows he's screwed but he can't come out and say that. If I was a HC I'd rather have a proven vet who knew the offense than what is there now. As a HC you need to win as many as possible or you will be gone and never get another HC job. Meanwhile the fans will see another horror show. The Wilf's are lucky because the stadium will sell out no matter what they put out there.
They really wanted to draft a QB last year, I believe. They wanted Kirk to be the bridge QB, not Darnold. Them not being able to draft a QB in the previous draft is what really put them in this position. That's just bad luck, really. Their draft pick that year was too low to move up without giving away too much.
Darnold will have to have a complete meltdown to be replaced if JJ isn't ready. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His previous receivers weren't just "not as good as" the ones he'll have now, the talent gap between them is the Grand Canyon.
This is the best skill group that Darnold has ever played with. That should help him and we'll see the results soon enough. My biggest problem is putting the team in this situation when we had a good QB that seemed to fit very well in this offense. That type of combination is very difficult to find. From my fan view why give that up? Drafting a QB had to be done and it could have happened last year with Will Levis who will start this year. Looks like the K-Team felt he wasn't the guy for us.
They really wanted to draft a QB last year, I believe. They wanted Kirk to be the bridge QB, not Darnold. Them not being able to draft a QB in the previous draft is what really put them in this position. That's just bad luck, really. Their draft pick that year was too low to move up without giving away too much.
Darnold will have to have a complete meltdown to be replaced if JJ isn't ready. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His previous receivers weren't just "not as good as" the ones he'll have now, the talent gap between them is the Grand Canyon.
This is the best skill group that Darnold has ever played with. That should help him and we'll see the results soon enough. My biggest problem is putting the team in this situation when we had a good QB that seemed to fit very well in this offense. That type of combination is very difficult to find. From my fan view why give that up? Drafting a QB had to be done and it could have happened last year with Will Levis who will start this year. Looks like the K-Team felt he wasn't the guy for us.
I'm glad we didn't draft Levis. IMO he will be a below average starting QB at best and I'm glad we are not wasting time with him.
CharVike wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:55 am
This is the best skill group that Darnold has ever played with. That should help him and we'll see the results soon enough. My biggest problem is putting the team in this situation when we had a good QB that seemed to fit very well in this offense. That type of combination is very difficult to find. From my fan view why give that up? Drafting a QB had to be done and it could have happened last year with Will Levis who will start this year. Looks like the K-Team felt he wasn't the guy for us.
I'm glad we didn't draft Levis. IMO he will be a below average starting QB at best and I'm glad we are not wasting time with him.
Look my judgement in QBs isn't very good. I would have selected M Jones. I liked Levis. I like JJM. I'm as bad as the pros.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:38 pm
I'm glad we didn't draft Levis. IMO he will be a below average starting QB at best and I'm glad we are not wasting time with him.
Look my judgement in QBs isn't very good. I would have selected M Jones. I liked Levis. I like JJM. I'm as bad as the pros.
I liked Manziel! But my hb history has been not bad, I liked Henry over Fournette, also had a huge crush on Gurley, reminded me a bit of ap.
“I remember my mistakes more than my success.” - Adrian Peterson
CharVike wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:00 pm
Look my judgement in QBs isn't very good. I would have selected M Jones. I liked Levis. I like JJM. I'm as bad as the pros.
I liked Manziel! But my hb history has been not bad, I liked Henry over Fournette, also had a huge crush on Gurley, reminded me a bit of ap.
Johnny Football. QBs are hard to judge. Those backs I can't argue them.
JJM press conference talking about camp and pre season game. He handles himself well. He's been under the spot light before which is good. This is the most serious I've seen him.
Another camp note. Jonah Williams DT has been impressive. He's beating guys. Of course that's bad news for the other side. We need depth behind the 3 starters.
allday1991 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:15 pm
I liked Manziel! But my hb history has been not bad, I liked Henry over Fournette, also had a huge crush on Gurley, reminded me a bit of ap.
I liked Manziel too. Pretty big talent, but just a dumb frat boy mentality, no work ethic. I think some people probably knew that when he was coming out of college, I just knew about what he showed in his games.
Looks like JJM will receive “significant” amount of snaps, followed by Hall, Mullens likely to sit.
“Rookie J.J. McCarthy will get a "significant amount of work" before handing it off to second-year man Jaren Hall, O'Connell said.
Nick Mullens probably won't see the field "in an attempt to maximize the [opportunities] for some guys that are either new or even in Jaren's case in year two in the system," he said.
As for how long Darnold and other starters will play, the head coach said "it's going to be a feel thing."
Haven’t been this excited for a pre season game for a while. The ribs are marinating, the beers cold, let’s go!
“I remember my mistakes more than my success.” - Adrian Peterson
