Does Cousins still need perfect conditions?

[J. Kapp 11]

Found this nugget on Twitter today …

Kirk Cousins has been pressured at the 5th-highest rate (38.4%) among NFL QBs.

Cousins also has the 9th-best passer rating under pressure (76.2). Some notable names behind him:

Mahomes — 70.1
Rodgers — 70.0
Herbert — 69.6
R. Wilson — 59.5
Brady — 55.1
Kyler — 33.6

Obviously Kirk’s overall stats are down this year. But he has 6 fourth-quarter comebacks, which I believe is the most in one season in Vikings history. And the info above shows that he’s playing reasonably well under pressure. Last week against the Pats, he was pressured on 39.5% of his drop-backs, but went 13-of-14, 168 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 pick while under pressure, for a passer rating of 124.9.

It got me to wondering … has Kirk Cousins shed the “needs conditions around him to be perfect” label?

[VikingsVictorious]

Kirk never needed perfect conditions and never had perfect conditions. This is not his only season where he has been comparatively highly rated under pressure. That was always a myth.

[Chi-Town Vike]

Found this nugget on Twitter today …

Kirk Cousins has been pressured at the 5th-highest rate (38.4%) among NFL QBs.

Cousins also has the 9th-best passer rating under pressure (76.2). Some notable names behind him:

Mahomes — 70.1
Rodgers — 70.0
Herbert — 69.6
R. Wilson — 59.5
Brady — 55.1
Kyler — 33.6

Obviously Kirk’s overall stats are down this year. But he has 6 fourth-quarter comebacks, which I believe is the most in one season in Vikings history. And the info above shows that he’s playing reasonably well under pressure. Last week against the Pats, he was pressured on 39.5% of his drop-backs, but went 13-of-14, 168 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 pick while under pressure, for a passer rating of 124.9.

It got me to wondering … has Kirk Cousins shed the “needs conditions around him to be perfect” label?

Well if you were to ask Maurice jones Drew he'd say That it depends on what time the game is played. Is it a 1 o clock game or 3/4 or 7 o clock game. That's what you paid all that money for.

Edited for negativety: just relaying what an ex player now analyst stated.

[Chi-Town Vike]

Found this nugget on Twitter today …

Kirk Cousins has been pressured at the 5th-highest rate (38.4%) among NFL QBs.

Cousins also has the 9th-best passer rating under pressure (76.2). Some notable names behind him:

Mahomes — 70.1
Rodgers — 70.0
Herbert — 69.6
R. Wilson — 59.5
Brady — 55.1
Kyler — 33.6

Obviously Kirk’s overall stats are down this year. But he has 6 fourth-quarter comebacks, which I believe is the most in one season in Vikings history. And the info above shows that he’s playing reasonably well under pressure. Last week against the Pats, he was pressured on 39.5% of his drop-backs, but went 13-of-14, 168 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 pick while under pressure, for a passer rating of 124.9.

It got me to wondering … has Kirk Cousins shed the “needs conditions around him to be perfect” label?

Myself ? i think his numbers benefit from having Jefferson on the receiving end. He needs to learn how to avoid a sack via ducking or spinning out of one. ala Jim plunkett. who was not considered a very mobile qb at all. either that or somebody has to grease up kirks jersey on the sly. This is what ya need to get from Kirk Cousins
straight up. awesome 3 minute video check it out. why not? we already have the second coming of Ray Guy in the making.

[VikingsVictorious]

Found this nugget on Twitter today …

Kirk Cousins has been pressured at the 5th-highest rate (38.4%) among NFL QBs.

Cousins also has the 9th-best passer rating under pressure (76.2). Some notable names behind him:

Mahomes — 70.1
Rodgers — 70.0
Herbert — 69.6
R. Wilson — 59.5
Brady — 55.1
Kyler — 33.6

Obviously Kirk’s overall stats are down this year. But he has 6 fourth-quarter comebacks, which I believe is the most in one season in Vikings history. And the info above shows that he’s playing reasonably well under pressure. Last week against the Pats, he was pressured on 39.5% of his drop-backs, but went 13-of-14, 168 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 pick while under pressure, for a passer rating of 124.9.

It got me to wondering … has Kirk Cousins shed the “needs conditions around him to be perfect” label?

Myself ? i think his numbers benefit from having Jefferson on the receiving end. He needs to learn how to avoid a sack via ducking or spinning out of one. ala Jim plunkett. who was not considered a very mobile qb at all. either that or somebody has to grease up kirks jersey on the sly. This is what ya need to get from Kirk Cousins
straight up. awesome 3 minute video check it out. why not? we already have the second coming of Ray Guy in the making.

Jim Plunkett is one of the better stories in NFL history. His parents both blind and Native American and Mexican. He wasn't IMO a great QB, but he was a quite good one and came up big during the two championships. I think Cousins and Plunkett make an odd comparison.

[Chi-Town Vike]

They share similarities in the quirkiness in their demeanors and clumsiness on the field. Both like to throw long. Maybe i shoulda said shades of jim plunkett. Neither is , was a mobile QB but Plunkett could evade a sack unlike kirk.

[VikingsVictorious]

They share similarities in the quirkiness in their demeanors and clumsiness on the field. Both like to throw long. Maybe i shoulda said shades of jim plunkett. Neither is , was a mobile QB but Plunkett could evade a sack unlike kirk.

Kirk not being able to evade a sack is another myth. I've seen him do it. I really don't remember how good Plunkett was at evading or not. Kirk is probably below average at evading sacks, but only slightly so.

[CharVike]

They share similarities in the quirkiness in their demeanors and clumsiness on the field. Both like to throw long. Maybe i shoulda said shades of jim plunkett. Neither is , was a mobile QB but Plunkett could evade a sack unlike kirk.

Kirk not being able to evade a sack is another myth. I've seen him do it. I really don't remember how good Plunkett was at evading or not. Kirk is probably below average at evading sacks, but only slightly so.

Many myths surrounds Kirk. They all have been laid out there. Evade a sack is another. I don't think we ever provided a very good OL at pass blocking and as many have stated he can't move. That's another myth. In today's game you can throw the ball away to avoid a sack and I've seen him do it. Plunkett was a rags to riches player in the NFL and it repeated itself with Plunkett a few times. He's a 2 time SB winner and is't in the HOF. Our HOF QB is a 3 time loser in the SB. Makes sense.

[Chi-Town Vike]

They share similarities in the quirkiness in their demeanors and clumsiness on the field. Both like to throw long. Maybe i shoulda said shades of jim plunkett. Neither is , was a mobile QB but Plunkett could evade a sack unlike kirk.

Kirk not being able to evade a sack is another myth. I've seen him do it. I really don't remember how good Plunkett was at evading or not. Kirk is probably below average at evading sacks, but only slightly so.

It' wasn't with speed and agility that's for sure. Best way to describe it would be Houdiniesque in a clumsy sort of way. Defenses had to have been cussing him out across line with mixing the word 'lucky' in there. i just see kirk kinda hesitate when the pressure gets thick. Like relax dude and just play quarterback. I will say at least he's willing to take and can absorb a hit. But, how many more of those can he take?

[CharVike]

Kirk not being able to evade a sack is another myth. I've seen him do it. I really don't remember how good Plunkett was at evading or not. Kirk is probably below average at evading sacks, but only slightly so.

It' wasn't with speed and agility that's for sure. Best way to describe it would be Houdiniesque in a clumsy sort of way. Defenses had to have been cussing him out across line with mixing the word 'lucky' in there. i just see kirk kinda hesitate when the pressure gets thick. Like relax dude and just play quarterback. I will say at least he's willing to take and can absorb a hit. But, how many more of those can he take?

Pressure can be different. The 85 Bears the only QB that could handle that type of pressure was Marino and I wouldn't call him fleet of foot either. His release was quick. I haven't seen too many QBs thrive under pressure. That's why LT who are good make a ton of money. Joe Montana had some bad games under pressure and one was against us in the playoffs. Look at Rodgers in the playoffs. Recently the 49ers shut him down. That's pressure getting him. Our guy Tark looked like a bum in SBs. Too much pressure. He could move also.

[Chi-Town Vike]

It' wasn't with speed and agility that's for sure. Best way to describe it would be Houdiniesque in a clumsy sort of way. Defenses had to have been cussing him out across line with mixing the word 'lucky' in there. i just see kirk kinda hesitate when the pressure gets thick. Like relax dude and just play quarterback. I will say at least he's willing to take and can absorb a hit. But, how many more of those can he take?

Pressure can be different. The 85 Bears the only QB that could handle that type of pressure was Marino and I wouldn't call him fleet of foot either. His release was quick. I haven't seen too many QBs thrive under pressure. That's why LT who are good make a ton of money. Joe Montana had some bad games under pressure and one was against us in the playoffs. Look at Rodgers in the playoffs. Recently the 49ers shut him down. That's pressure getting him. Our guy Tark looked like a bum in SBs. Too much pressure. He could move also.

Yea i suppose so about the pressure. But as far as Montana, Walsh innovated the 3 step drop to help Montana flourish were he lacked in mobility though. Walsh wasn't gonna watch him get decapitated. I'm not too big on mobile qb's Like Fields putting up the rushing yards that the Featured back is supposed to get. You're not playing the QB position if you're leading rusher. So College.

[Chi-Town Vike]

Mac Jones only has 170 yrds passing and a 93 rating tonight WTF!!!!

[CharVike]

Pressure can be different. The 85 Bears the only QB that could handle that type of pressure was Marino and I wouldn't call him fleet of foot either. His release was quick. I haven't seen too many QBs thrive under pressure. That's why LT who are good make a ton of money. Joe Montana had some bad games under pressure and one was against us in the playoffs. Look at Rodgers in the playoffs. Recently the 49ers shut him down. That's pressure getting him. Our guy Tark looked like a bum in SBs. Too much pressure. He could move also.

Yea i suppose so about the pressure. But as far as Montana, Walsh innovated the 3 step drop to help Montana flourish were he lacked in mobility though. Walsh wasn't gonna watch him get decapitated. I'm not too big on mobile qb's Like Fields putting up the rushing yards that the Featured back is supposed to get. You're not playing the QB position if you're leading rusher. So College.

We had many discussions about dual threat QBs on this board. Steve Young IMO was the best when you take in everything including being a winner. 3 Super Bowl wins. But that 49er team was great all around from coaching on down. With the Bucs Young had a 3-16 record as a starter. That's a loser. He never lifted them. It takes more than one guy. These running QBs are college guys. Fields was just knocked out after a design run. QBs take a beating in the pocket and then to go out there and also run? That's tremendous wear and tear. Some of these guys are called dual threats but are they really a threat at throwing the ball? Every pass play is a jailbreak and guys get wide open. Some fans like seeing a guy run all over the place. I like a guy that can make any throw. To each their own. If you look at the last 10 years of starting NFL QBs in the Super Bowl not to many dual threat guys are there. Stafford and Burrow last year. It goes on back like that.

[JJBreaksRecords]

Cousins was harassed and hit all afternoon today. And he flat out sucked for the most part. He doesnt need, and wont get (our Oline is rotten) perfect condition, but can play well with a little time. And hopefully wont stand like a statue and get sacked.

[halfgiz]

Cousins was harassed and hit all afternoon today. And he flat out sucked for the most part. He doesnt need, and wont get (our Oline is rotten) perfect condition, but can play well with a little time. And hopefully wont stand like a statue and get sacked.

Why is our offense line rotten? They are rated pretty high by PFF
Only lineman who didn’t have a good rating was the rookie RT.