Coaching search 2022 - Confirmed Interviews and Speculation

[40for60]

It's not like KOC is just a nice, handsome guy who speaks well. The reports I read say the entire search team, including KAM, were extremely impressed with his vision for the organization. I don't know about you, but that means a lot to me.

Hopefully I'll be as impressed once he is officially hired and sits down with the media to answer questions.

I posted this in another thread, but I think if the Wilfs insist on remaining integral to the operations side of the team, this isn't going to end well no matter how collaborative KAM or KOC are. At some point things are going to go south. At some point strong leadership is going to be required. At some point controversial decisions will have to be made.

Who makes those decisions. How does the group deal with controversy and difficulty?

It might just be possible that what we saw happen with Spielman and Zimmer was not a result of them so much as a result of the organizational structure and continued input of the Wilfs into the football operations side of the team. If that is the issue, then it will manifest again with KAM and KOC. Just a matter of time.

I agree, but day to day I don’t think the Wilfs are involved with the operations of the team. In fact, part of the problem is that they aren’t in town owners that are often in the building. Do you think they knew Rick and Zim hadn’t talked in 6 months? I understand that they want some say in the hiring of the coach. They do pay the checks after all. But it’s not that they picked the coach on their own.

However there does need to be someone in charge, and I think that is KAM. During his press conference someone asked something to the affect of if he had final say in personnel decisions. He didn’t come out and say that he did, but he said he knew what his contract says but he doesn’t work that way. I took that to mean there would be much more cooperation between him and the coach then there was between Zim and Rick. And I certainly don’t think KAM has a big ego, and stressed people who work for the organization should place importance to the collective rather than the individual (or something like that).

I think it is more collaborative decision making rather than a group of individuals, each having a vote. In other words, it is not something like the old “triangle of authority”.

[Fran the Man]

You probably made the wrong decision just because he annoyed you. Remember a baseball Manager Billy Martin. He won several world series with the NY Yankees. He was fired and rehired by George Steinbrenner I think 5 times. Sometimes annoying people make great leaders.

Whatever. You’re just going to rip anything I say at this point.

And guess what? It was the right decision. My call, not yours.

But you have to admit, the 'Steinbrenner firing Billy Martin' was a GREAT analogy!

[JJBreaksRecords]

Not sure how to delete a double post.

[JJBreaksRecords]

I am afraid the Wilfs and friends took over the Harbaugh interview. If this happened I will be very upset. Why hire a GM except for things like this. Mensah had a relationship with harbaugh and I am sure he was all in on getting Harbaugh here. But the Wilf's vetoed that.

However, I am going to stay positive about the new HC and GM. Because I wanted the old ones gone. But we are Vikings fans and used to adversity. We can be optimistic, or we can be angry and blame Mensah or the Vikings front office for Harbaugh leaving. Its just wasnt in the cards for us, like so many other things. Like losing 4 freaking SB. I am pumped. I hope they clean house for cap space and in 2-3 years we will be contenders again, and hopefully with a good young QB.

[JJBreaksRecords]

Understand, I'm not trying to be a dick here. But I "went there" because it's relevant in my opinion. Anytime the QB topic comes up and people point to the fact that Cousins never beats winning teams, you're the first to say QB's don't win games, TEAMS do.

So you can understand my surprise when in regards to the coaching hire, you of all people would suggest all that matters is his coaching record. After all, he didn't win those games alone, the TEAM did.

And I disagree. I have no idea how the interview went. But if our front office came away thinking he was a bad fit, regardless of his prior record, I for one am glad they went the other direction. And by all early accounts, including the excellent article posted, that is exactly what happened. There are a million unknowns to us fans to simply proclaim the Vikings screwed this up and Harbaugh should have been given the job just because he was Harbaugh.

Harbaugh should have been given the job because the players love him and he wins everywhere he goes.

His vet players didnt love him. They wanted him gone and told the GM.

[VikingsVictorious]

Harbaugh should have been given the job because the players love him and he wins everywhere he goes.

His vet players didnt love him. They wanted him gone and told the GM.

Not the way I hear it.

[VikingsVictorious]

Whatever. You’re just going to rip anything I say at this point.

And guess what? It was the right decision. My call, not yours.

But you have to admit, the 'Steinbrenner firing Billy Martin' was a GREAT analogy!

Thanks. I thought it was clever. He's probably the best Manager of all time. Loved him when he was with Minnesota.
I started to doubt myself on the 5 times thing so I double checked. Yep Steinbrenner fired him five times meaning he hired him 5 times. Only those two. I think they loved each other.

[VikingsVictorious]

I am afraid the Wilfs and friends took over the Harbaugh interview. If this happened I will be very upset. Why hire a GM except for things like this. Mensah had a relationship with harbaugh and I am sure he was all in on getting Harbaugh here. But the Wilf's vetoed that.

However, I am going to stay positive about the new HC and GM. Because I wanted the old ones gone. But we are Vikings fans and used to adversity. We can be optimistic, or we can be angry and blame Mensah or the Vikings front office for Harbaugh leaving. Its just wasnt in the cards for us, like so many other things. Like losing 4 freaking SB. I am pumped. I hope they clean house for cap space and in 2-3 years we will be contenders again, and hopefully with a good young QB.

I don't think you can still call Cousins young.

[J. Kapp 11]

Look in the mirror, pal. You attack everything I say.

It was my hire. I decide if it was the right decision. What on earth makes you think you can argue that?

I attack a lot of what you say because a lot of what you say is an attack on what I say. I say a lot of things that are opinion. I have a right to do that. Did you go back and double check when you angrily accused me of misquoting you? If you did you will see I didn't misquote you and you obviously misquoted me. You took my simple statement that Cousins wasn't making $45 million this year as if I was saying you said that was his salary. Jumping to conclusions. Then you took my statement that IF Cousins was making $30 million which is what I believe his next contract will be around it would be less than 15% of the cap and acted like I said his $45 million cap hit this year was 15% and said I needed a calculator.

We will never know if you made the right decision. You are capable of making a right decision but like anybody else you are capable of making a wrong decision. If we could turn back time and you hire him and compare what did happen with what didn't is the only way we could know.

Once any decision a person makes is made all that's left is for better or worse to live with the results. As fans it is our duty to second guess the management.

So you’re telling me that for decisions I make, with outcomes I know (and you know nothing about), I don’t know whether they were good decisions?

I made the hire. I know the outcome. I’m qualified to determine whether it was a good hire. You are not.

You misquoted me, as well. And I apologized for my role. Have you? No. You just keep seeking out my posts to attack. And … our DUTY? Like it or not, it’s a privately owned corporation. You have no say in anything, and management doesn’t care what you (or I) think. Your only “duty” is to either buy the things that support them or don’t buy. All we’re doing here is venting.

[J. Kapp 11]

Whatever. You’re just going to rip anything I say at this point.

And guess what? It was the right decision. My call, not yours.

But you have to admit, the 'Steinbrenner firing Billy Martin' was a GREAT analogy!

No it’s not. Sorry.

[JJBreaksRecords]

His vet players didnt love him. They wanted him gone and told the GM.

Not the way I hear it.

Its on Mackey and Judd. They wanted Harbaugh here as much as any of us did, but still told it. And I think it was even worse then that. And the shouting matches between JH and the Gm Trent were horrible for everyone.

How did you hear it?

[VikingsVictorious]

I attack a lot of what you say because a lot of what you say is an attack on what I say. I say a lot of things that are opinion. I have a right to do that. Did you go back and double check when you angrily accused me of misquoting you? If you did you will see I didn't misquote you and you obviously misquoted me. You took my simple statement that Cousins wasn't making $45 million this year as if I was saying you said that was his salary. Jumping to conclusions. Then you took my statement that IF Cousins was making $30 million which is what I believe his next contract will be around it would be less than 15% of the cap and acted like I said his $45 million cap hit this year was 15% and said I needed a calculator.

We will never know if you made the right decision. You are capable of making a right decision but like anybody else you are capable of making a wrong decision. If we could turn back time and you hire him and compare what did happen with what didn't is the only way we could know.

Once any decision a person makes is made all that's left is for better or worse to live with the results. As fans it is our duty to second guess the management.

So you’re telling me that for decisions I make, with outcomes I know (and you know nothing about), I don’t know whether they were good decisions?

I made the hire. I know the outcome. I’m qualified to determine whether it was a good hire. You are not.

You misquoted me, as well. And I apologized for my role. Have you? No. You just keep seeking out my posts to attack. And … our DUTY? Like it or not, it’s a privately owned corporation. You have no say in anything, and management doesn’t care what you (or I) think. Your only “duty” is to either buy the things that support them or don’t buy. All we’re doing here is venting.

You can't know your decision was the right one without seeing what the results to the other decision would have been. You can strongly believe it, but you can't know it. I shouldn't have said you probably made the wrong decision. I got caught up in the moment. Good chance you did make the right decision.

I did not Misquote you and I never would knowingly misquote you. I believe you made an assumption that was incorrect. The only way I could see you thinking I misquoted you was when I stated Cousins Salary was not $45 million. I never said you said his salary was $45 million. I was merely pointing it out for any other readers who might be confused. How did you take from my comment that IF HIS SALARY WAS $30 Million it would be less than 15% of the cap and come up with me saying his $45 Million cap hit was 15%. That's the shocker to me. You then insulted me with your needing a calculator line.

I'm not seeking out your posts to attack. I'm mostly defending my posts from your attacks.

[J. Kapp 11]

So you’re telling me that for decisions I make, with outcomes I know (and you know nothing about), I don’t know whether they were good decisions?

I made the hire. I know the outcome. I’m qualified to determine whether it was a good hire. You are not.

You misquoted me, as well. And I apologized for my role. Have you? No. You just keep seeking out my posts to attack. And … our DUTY? Like it or not, it’s a privately owned corporation. You have no say in anything, and management doesn’t care what you (or I) think. Your only “duty” is to either buy the things that support them or don’t buy. All we’re doing here is venting.

You can't know your decision was the right one without seeing what the results to the other decision would have been. You can strongly believe it, but you can't know it. I shouldn't have said you probably made the wrong decision. I got caught up in the moment. Good chance you did make the right decision.

I did not Misquote you and I never would knowingly misquote you. I believe you made an assumption that was incorrect. The only way I could see you thinking I misquoted you was when I stated Cousins Salary was not $45 million. I never said you said his salary was $45 million. I was merely pointing it out for any other readers who might be confused. How did you take from my comment that IF HIS SALARY WAS $30 Million it would be less than 15% of the cap and come up with me saying his $45 Million cap hit was 15%. That's the shocker to me. You then insulted me with your needing a calculator line.

I'm not seeking out your posts to attack. I'm mostly defending my posts from your attacks.

Knowingly misquote you. Key words. Did it ever occur to you that I misread what you posted?

Please just stop. None of this has nothing to do with coaching. It’s spiraled into personal attacks, and we’re both guilty.

I’ll stop if you will.

[VikingsVictorious]

You can't know your decision was the right one without seeing what the results to the other decision would have been. You can strongly believe it, but you can't know it. I shouldn't have said you probably made the wrong decision. I got caught up in the moment. Good chance you did make the right decision.

I did not Misquote you and I never would knowingly misquote you. I believe you made an assumption that was incorrect. The only way I could see you thinking I misquoted you was when I stated Cousins Salary was not $45 million. I never said you said his salary was $45 million. I was merely pointing it out for any other readers who might be confused. How did you take from my comment that IF HIS SALARY WAS $30 Million it would be less than 15% of the cap and come up with me saying his $45 Million cap hit was 15%. That's the shocker to me. You then insulted me with your needing a calculator line.

I'm not seeking out your posts to attack. I'm mostly defending my posts from your attacks.

Knowingly misquote you. Key words. Did it ever occur to you that I misread what you posted?

Please just stop. None of this has nothing to do with coaching. It’s spiraled into personal attacks, and we’re both guilty.

I’ll stop if you will.

Cool.

[VikingsVictorious]

Not the way I hear it.

Its on Mackey and Judd. They wanted Harbaugh here as much as any of us did, but still told it. And I think it was even worse then that. And the shouting matches between JH and the Gm Trent were horrible for everyone.

How did you hear it?

I hear it that his players loved him. When you say his vets didn't how many of his vets are you talking about? 1/10%/50%/ all of them. Alex Boone was one of his vets and he sure loved him.