Vikings/Broncos

[StumpHunter]

The blame for this game goes solely to coaches. No game plan, players just going through the motions. Zimm and his talking points to the media. Probably make guys do laps after the game as punishment. Like this was High Football again, which it felt like.

Anyway, I hope this teaches the fan boys on this board not put the cart before the horses. Championship Team, YEAH RIGHT. This franchise has had multiple paper champ teams over the decades, it always ends up the same. They fall flat on their faces and the fans gets their hopes up.

Or … maybe it teaches us to not overreact to a blowout loss in a meaningless preseason game where 21 of 22 starters don’t even suit up, and the one starter who does (Weatherly) isn’t exactly Pro Bowl material.

Could be there’s something to learn from annoying fanboys.

I don't know how people are actually upset about this game outside of at individual players who clearly don't belong on the team.

Everyone knows preseason results mean nothing and at best all you get out of them is how well an individual player might perform in the regular season. Even there you have to take preseason performance by an individual with a grain of salt, since great performances in the preseason don't always translate to great performances in the regular season.

Punter sucks
Dozier sucks
Dantzler was overrated
Boyd is a solid 4th option at CB
Rose deserves another look at 3rd or 4th string RB

Those are the only things I got out of that game.

[StpViking]

The blame for this game goes solely to coaches. No game plan, players just going through the motions. Zimm and his talking points to the media. Probably make guys do laps after the game as punishment. Like this was High Football again, which it felt like.

Anyway, I hope this teaches the fan boys on this board not put the cart before the horses. Championship Team, YEAH RIGHT. This franchise has had multiple paper champ teams over the decades, it always ends up the same. They fall flat on their faces and the fans gets their hopes up.

Or … maybe it teaches us to not overreact to a blowout loss in a meaningless preseason game where 21 of 22 starters don’t even suit up, and the one starter who does (Weatherly) isn’t exactly Pro Bowl material.

Could be there’s something to learn from annoying fanboys.

**Clears Throat**. Kapp you're a long time Vet on this board, so I will give you respect. However, as Shakespeare once wrote...DUDE PLEASE.. You know what's going to happen this season. You've seen it enough time. So lets just sit back and watch all the young guys get their hopes up and eventually end up like us.

[StumpHunter]

Or … maybe it teaches us to not overreact to a blowout loss in a meaningless preseason game where 21 of 22 starters don’t even suit up, and the one starter who does (Weatherly) isn’t exactly Pro Bowl material.

Could be there’s something to learn from annoying fanboys.

**Clears Throat**. Kapp you're a long time Vet on this board, so I will give you respect. However, as Shakespeare once wrote...DUDE PLEASE.. You know what's going to happen this season. You've seen it enough time. So lets just sit back and watch all the young guys get their hopes up and eventually end up like us.

Sure, that will happen because we are the Vikings, but not because of some stupid preseason game.

[CharVike]

So now you and Texas vike are medical authorities beyond any question . Got it.

For the record, while I am not a virologist, I am a Medical professional with over 45 years of critical care experience. The misinformation on vaccines is rampant, people are refusing to use reliable resources, they are cherry picking snippets without context. We have a whole culture that has become dedicated to spreading lies about a vaccine that not just saves lives, it greatly reduces hospitalizations, the associated costs, and the crushing burden of Medical bills. Institutions overwhelmed by COVID patients end up reallocating professional help, which means canceling elective surgeries and other procedures. The impact of the unvaccinated goes well beyond themselves. Which is why more and more are responding with increased frustration and anger.

Isn't the FDA a reliable resource? I thought they were but perhaps that is wrong in today's world. Everything is a snippet. I seen people get the vaccine and some of them became very sick. They were lucky with the fact they they are young and healthy. An older person perhaps would have lost the battle. Age takes away from the body from all angles. This was witnessed in person. I'm not against this vaccine but I can see why people have some fear. Just the speed at which it came out spreads fear. What testing was skipped to speed the process up. If it comes down to 100% of the people that we never happen.

[VikingLord]

Anyway, I hope this teaches the fan boys on this board not put the cart before the horses. Championship Team, YEAH RIGHT. This franchise has had multiple paper champ teams over the decades, it always ends up the same. They fall flat on their faces and the fans gets their hopes up.

So you're saying that we shouldn't expect the Vikings backups to win a championship this year?

Frustrating game for sure, but far from any indication the team is not capable of winning a championship this year.

[VikingLord]

Gotta agree that post was a little out of line. Just becuase you don’t get the vaccine doesn’t mean you’re uninformed. I’m guessing 99% of the players across the league that are not getting is because they simply don’t trust it. I know it’s why I haven’t gotten it. I mean in all honestly, what is there to trust right now?

You can trust in COVID! You'll probably get that if you haven't already and then I guess you'll see what happens?

[VikingLord]

I never said TV should be banned. Cleary I was referring to “this type of commentary” and not TV himself . I suggested that the post should be banned for being political in nature and using an obscenity to describe a rookie player. That’s all. Maybe I should have been more clear and said this thread should be locked .

For the record in general I enjoy TV’s posts and agree with him on many topics. I just thought this post crossed the line and was very disrespectful to a rookie who I really like and hope will have great career

No worries, man, I'll remove myself. This board has gone sterile anyways.

That would be a real shame and loss for the board.

VikingPaul, you're not a moderator on the board.

[VikingLord]

Isn't the FDA a reliable resource? I thought they were but perhaps that is wrong in today's world. Everything is a snippet. I seen people get the vaccine and some of them became very sick. They were lucky with the fact they they are young and healthy. An older person perhaps would have lost the battle. Age takes away from the body from all angles. This was witnessed in person. I'm not against this vaccine but I can see why people have some fear. Just the speed at which it came out spreads fear. What testing was skipped to speed the process up. If it comes down to 100% of the people that we never happen.

Who got the vaccine that got really sick? You're referring to the J&J vaccine and the blood clot issue?

What about the people who get COVID and get really sick? Are you telling me that those numbers are anywhere near the numbers of people who have died or been seriously damaged from COVID?

The choice is get COVID and take your chances or get vaccinated and take your chances.

Those who believe there is a viable third choice of not getting either are fooling themselves.

[vikeinmontana]

Isn't the FDA a reliable resource? I thought they were but perhaps that is wrong in today's world. Everything is a snippet. I seen people get the vaccine and some of them became very sick. They were lucky with the fact they they are young and healthy. An older person perhaps would have lost the battle. Age takes away from the body from all angles. This was witnessed in person. I'm not against this vaccine but I can see why people have some fear. Just the speed at which it came out spreads fear. What testing was skipped to speed the process up. If it comes down to 100% of the people that we never happen.

Who got the vaccine that got really sick? You're referring to the J&J vaccine and the blood clot issue?

What about the people who get COVID and get really sick? Are you telling me that those numbers are anywhere near the numbers of people who have died or been seriously damaged from COVID?

The choice is get COVID and take your chances or get vaccinated and take your chances.

Those who believe there is a viable third choice of not getting either are fooling themselves.

Since this thread is already derailed and there seems to be knowledgeable posters here, I'd like to ask about my current biggest gripe in this mess.

I have yet to be able to find statistical evidence that this new rushed vaccine will offer longer protection to the virus than those who had the virus. Is it out there and I'm just missing it? Because from my perspective, it's seems that people are saying it's a sure thing that the vaccine will offer that protection, and it's a sure thing that already having the virus will not offer that same protection. I could be wrong in that thinking, but it's sure what it seems like to me.

How can we possibly know at this time that the vaccine is the only way to get to herd-immunity?

FWIW I am vaccinated AND had the virus, though that seems to matter little at this point in the game.

[VikingTom]

Who got the vaccine that got really sick? You're referring to the J&J vaccine and the blood clot issue?

What about the people who get COVID and get really sick? Are you telling me that those numbers are anywhere near the numbers of people who have died or been seriously damaged from COVID?

The choice is get COVID and take your chances or get vaccinated and take your chances.

Those who believe there is a viable third choice of not getting either are fooling themselves.

Since this thread is already derailed and there seems to be knowledgeable posters here, I'd like to ask about my current biggest gripe in this mess.

I have yet to be able to find statistical evidence that this new rushed vaccine will offer longer protection to the virus than those who had the virus. Is it out there and I'm just missing it? Because from my perspective, it's seems that people are saying it's a sure thing that the vaccine will offer that protection, and it's a sure thing that already having the virus will not offer that same protection. I could be wrong in that thinking, but it's sure what it seems like to me.

How can we possibly know at this time that the vaccine is the only way to get to herd-immunity?

FWIW I am vaccinated AND had the virus, though that seems to matter little at this point in the game.

There are studies going on looking at both mRNA vaccine length of efficacy and acquired immunity due to having had COVID. Currently it appears, (not conclusive as data is still being collected), that the vaccines actually offer a more robust immunity. Obviously everyone has somewhat different immune responses to the vaccine and COVID. Could the severity of the COVID viral infection impact immunity? We know elderly seem to have a bit less of a response to the vaccine. Nobody questions the immunosuppressed are a concern.

As for how to get to herd immunity. The vaccine is by far the least painful, least expensive, and by far lower risk route to herd immunity. With roughly 90 million Americans unvaccinated. (Those currently eligible for the vaccine) It would take months to reach herd immunity thru acquired immunity. Right now we are averaging 700 deaths daily. The cost of hospitalization is a hit to the economy, not to mention individual out of pocket costs. The more stressed the ICUs are the more likely deaths increase simply due to being unable to consistently deliver the high acuity care needed by COVID patients.

I find it extremely sad that we have an easy way to greatly reduce COVID yet people are still pushing myths and outright lies about the vaccine.

I am done with the topic. Too many have just dug in and do not want to know the facts. Sorry to say I am also done with the board. Yes I am angry and frustrated with stupidity. Happy COVID to the deniers.

[vikeinmontana]

Since this thread is already derailed and there seems to be knowledgeable posters here, I'd like to ask about my current biggest gripe in this mess.

I have yet to be able to find statistical evidence that this new rushed vaccine will offer longer protection to the virus than those who had the virus. Is it out there and I'm just missing it? Because from my perspective, it's seems that people are saying it's a sure thing that the vaccine will offer that protection, and it's a sure thing that already having the virus will not offer that same protection. I could be wrong in that thinking, but it's sure what it seems like to me.

How can we possibly know at this time that the vaccine is the only way to get to herd-immunity?

FWIW I am vaccinated AND had the virus, though that seems to matter little at this point in the game.

There are studies going on looking at both mRNA vaccine length of efficacy and acquired immunity due to having had COVID. Currently it appears, (not conclusive as data is still being collected), that the vaccines actually offer a more robust immunity. Obviously everyone has somewhat different immune responses to the vaccine and COVID. Could the severity of the COVID viral infection impact immunity? We know elderly seem to have a bit less of a response to the vaccine. Nobody questions the immunosuppressed are a concern.

As for how to get to herd immunity. The vaccine is by far the least painful, least expensive, and by far lower risk route to herd immunity. With roughly 90 million Americans unvaccinated. (Those currently eligible for the vaccine) It would take months to reach herd immunity thru acquired immunity. Right now we are averaging 700 deaths daily. The cost of hospitalization is a hit to the economy, not to mention individual out of pocket costs. The more stressed the ICUs are the more likely deaths increase simply due to being unable to consistently deliver the high acuity care needed by COVID patients.

I find it extremely sad that we have an easy way to greatly reduce COVID yet people are still pushing myths and outright lies about the vaccine.

I am done with the topic. Too many have just dug in and do not want to know the facts. Sorry to say I am also done with the board. Yes I am angry and frustrated with stupidity. Happy COVID to the deniers.

Gotcha. Most of that makes perfect sense.

[makila]

I sure hope Dozier doesn't get any meaningful snaps this season. And if he is the best option at any point we are in a baaad spot.

[allday1991]

For the record, while I am not a virologist, I am a Medical professional with over 45 years of critical care experience. The misinformation on vaccines is rampant, people are refusing to use reliable resources, they are cherry picking snippets without context. We have a whole culture that has become dedicated to spreading lies about a vaccine that not just saves lives, it greatly reduces hospitalizations, the associated costs, and the crushing burden of Medical bills. Institutions overwhelmed by COVID patients end up reallocating professional help, which means canceling elective surgeries and other procedures. The impact of the unvaccinated goes well beyond themselves. Which is why more and more are responding with increased frustration and anger.

Isn't the FDA a reliable resource? I thought they were but perhaps that is wrong in today's world. Everything is a snippet. I seen people get the vaccine and some of them became very sick. They were lucky with the fact they they are young and healthy. An older person perhaps would have lost the battle. Age takes away from the body from all angles. This was witnessed in person. I'm not against this vaccine but I can see why people have some fear. Just the speed at which it came out spreads fear. What testing was skipped to speed the process up. If it comes down to 100% of the people that we never happen.

MRNA vaccines have been designed and worked on for over 20 years, so as far as this being a "new" vaccines I can assure you its not. If anyone knows how MRNA works, it simple, it causes a spike in protein levels that acts as a code, the code is transferred to the body and relays information on how to deal with covid, in a few months the RNA completely deuterates and is impossible to detect in the body, case and point after a certain point a DR wouldn't even be able to tell if you had the shot or not. People want to cite long term effects however we don't even know the long term effects of having covid. However early test points to the vaccine having little to no longer term effects while covid can permanently scar lung tissue effecting cardiovascular for life. There are plenty of professional athletes that have life altering effects from covid yet none reported from the vaccine. The argument that the vaccine is new is null, covid is also new and long term effects of covid are expected to far out weigh that of the vaccines. After a severe case of covid a DR examination will produce lots of negative things, after a vaccine a DR can't even tell if you've had the shot. So again if your avoiding the vaccine because of the long term effects, you're far more likely to receive negative long term effects from covid. Everyone wants to fight vaccines now, however isn't it law to have a polio vaccine to enroll kids in school?

[J. Kapp 11]

Or … maybe it teaches us to not overreact to a blowout loss in a meaningless preseason game where 21 of 22 starters don’t even suit up, and the one starter who does (Weatherly) isn’t exactly Pro Bowl material.

Could be there’s something to learn from annoying fanboys.

**Clears Throat**. Kapp you're a long time Vet on this board, so I will give you respect. However, as Shakespeare once wrote...DUDE PLEASE.. You know what's going to happen this season. You've seen it enough time. So lets just sit back and watch all the young guys get their hopes up and eventually end up like us.

No, I don’t know what’s going to happen. Neither do you.

But just for fun, let’s play it the other direction.

In 2018 we were 3-1 in the preseason after appearing in the NFC championship game the year before. We had our $88 million QB. Should have been a good omen for the season. Instead, we finished 8-7-1.

In 2019 we were also 3-1 in the preseason. But given the poor season we had in 2018, nobody was banking on the Vikings making the playoffs. Yet we went 10-6 and won a playoff game.

And for the record, the leading passer during both preseasons was Kyle Sloter. The leading rusher was Mike Boone.

Bottom line, the preseason means NOTHING. Especially when 21 of 22 starters don’t even suit up. However, I will stick with my earlier prediction in the Championship Roster thread. The 2021 Vikings will go 11-6. That prediction, however, isn’t based on anything that happens in the preseason.

Now, if you’re saying the 2021 season will ultimately end with the Vikings once again failing to win a Super Bowl, well, all I can say is that it’s not exactly a hot take. I mean, when you’ve gone 61 years with no titles, how much of a stretch is it to bet against the team in year 62?

[808vikingsfan]

So now you and Texas vike are medical authorities beyond any question . Got it.

For the record, while I am not a virologist, I am a Medical professional with over 45 years of critical care experience. The misinformation on vaccines is rampant, people are refusing to use reliable resources, they are cherry picking snippets without context. We have a whole culture that has become dedicated to spreading lies about a vaccine that not just saves lives, it greatly reduces hospitalizations, the associated costs, and the crushing burden of Medical bills. Institutions overwhelmed by COVID patients end up reallocating professional help, which means canceling elective surgeries and other procedures. The impact of the unvaccinated goes well beyond themselves. Which is why more and more are responding with increased frustration and anger.

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