Vikings QB Kellen Mond test positive for COVID; three QBs including Kirk Cousins expected to miss practice

[VikingTom]

They were wrong. Ill find the article

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... hat-he-is/

Thanks. That's very unfortunate...

Appears Mond is not vaccinated. I think the initial confusion was in an early report that said Mond would only miss 48 hours if he had 2 negative tests. That would fit the vaccinated protocol. On further review it seems clear he was not vaccinated. A step further, Mond is experiencing COVID symptoms. Article simply said he is sick, no description of severity beyond that. (In today's Strib) Hopefully he recovers quickly. Best case scenario for him is he misses 10 days. Could be longer.

[chicagopurple]

Cousins being unvaccinated, yet another reason to dislike him, have no confidence in him, and confirm that he is NOT a leader, NOT a QB who will lead a team to a championship....nothing but a liablility. Kinda just a watered down Jay Cutler. Being unimmunized he will likely miss half the games this year , every positive on the team/coaches etc will make him go into quarantine. The GM is a moron to have allowed this but thats no big surprise.

[StanM]

Cousins being unvaccinated, yet another reason to dislike him, have no confidence in him, and confirm that he is NOT a leader, NOT a QB who will lead a team to a championship....nothing but a liablility. Kinda just a watered down Jay Cutler. Being unimmunized he will likely miss half the games this year , every positive on the team/coaches etc will make him go into quarantine. The GM is a moron to have allowed this but thats no big surprise.

Does anybody know if the teams can mandate that players be vaccinated or is this something the players union would prevent? More businesses, especially health care providers like Allina and Fairview are requiring vaccination as a condition of employment. Venues such as First Avenue are requiring proof of vaccination to attend shows.

I hope I’m wrong but I have a feeling this is going to be another crazy season with player quarantines and even some forfeited games is a team gets hit at certain position groups. Knowing our bad Vikings luck I am concerned about unvaccinated players catching this new delta variant. Worse case scenario it could be a bad case and end a career. I’d hate to see some of these promising rookies and free agent signings go down and have permanent health problems that end their career before it even starts.

[VikingsVictorious]

Cousins being unvaccinated, yet another reason to dislike him, have no confidence in him, and confirm that he is NOT a leader, NOT a QB who will lead a team to a championship....nothing but a liablility. Kinda just a watered down Jay Cutler. Being unimmunized he will likely miss half the games this year , every positive on the team/coaches etc will make him go into quarantine. The GM is a moron to have allowed this but thats no big surprise.

All I care about with Cousins is how he plays. Not playing is a negative. Is vaccinated or unvaccinated a leadership quality. Doesn't a leader stand up for his beliefs? I don't know.

[VikingsVictorious]

Cousins being unvaccinated, yet another reason to dislike him, have no confidence in him, and confirm that he is NOT a leader, NOT a QB who will lead a team to a championship....nothing but a liablility. Kinda just a watered down Jay Cutler. Being unimmunized he will likely miss half the games this year , every positive on the team/coaches etc will make him go into quarantine. The GM is a moron to have allowed this but thats no big surprise.

Does anybody know if the teams can mandate that players be vaccinated or is this something the players union would prevent? More businesses, especially health care providers like Allina and Fairview are requiring vaccination as a condition of employment. Venues such as First Avenue are requiring proof of vaccination to attend shows.

I hope I’m wrong but I have a feeling this is going to be another crazy season with player quarantines and even some forfeited games is a team gets hit at certain position groups. Knowing our bad Vikings luck I am concerned about unvaccinated players catching this new delta variant. Worse case scenario it could be a bad case and end a career. I’d hate to see some of these promising rookies and free agent signings go down and have permanent health problems that end their career before it even starts.

Teams can't require players to be vaccinated. It's a collective bargaining union thing. To many of us, myself included, getting vaccinated is obviously the correct decision. As a person who cares about the health of everybody I wish everyone was vaccinated. As a fan of the Vikings it will really, really, really suck if any of our team gets permanently harmed by this virus.

[vikeinmontana]

Does anybody know if the teams can mandate that players be vaccinated or is this something the players union would prevent? More businesses, especially health care providers like Allina and Fairview are requiring vaccination as a condition of employment. Venues such as First Avenue are requiring proof of vaccination to attend shows.

I hope I’m wrong but I have a feeling this is going to be another crazy season with player quarantines and even some forfeited games is a team gets hit at certain position groups. Knowing our bad Vikings luck I am concerned about unvaccinated players catching this new delta variant. Worse case scenario it could be a bad case and end a career. I’d hate to see some of these promising rookies and free agent signings go down and have permanent health problems that end their career before it even starts.

Teams can't require players to be vaccinated. It's a collective bargaining union thing. To many of us, myself included, getting vaccinated is obviously the correct decision. As a person who cares about the health of everybody I wish everyone was vaccinated. As a fan of the Vikings it will really, really, really suck if any of our team gets permanently harmed by this virus.

Do they have any power in regards to fines if a player has to miss time? Any limit to what they could fine? No fine if you test positive vaccinated but something like 100k if you test positive unvaccinated?

I would think coaches could have an impact as well when setting their depth charts. Like everything in the world if you're a superstar you're probably not getting benched if you opt to be unvaccinated. But it seems to me in the grand scheme of things you'd be better of sitting a #1 in favor of a #2 who's vaccinated based on potential availability alone.

[S197]

Teams can't require players to be vaccinated. It's a collective bargaining union thing. To many of us, myself included, getting vaccinated is obviously the correct decision. As a person who cares about the health of everybody I wish everyone was vaccinated. As a fan of the Vikings it will really, really, really suck if any of our team gets permanently harmed by this virus.

Do they have any power in regards to fines if a player has to miss time? Any limit to what they could fine? No fine if you test positive vaccinated but something like 100k if you test positive unvaccinated?

I would think coaches could have an impact as well when setting their depth charts. Like everything in the world if you're a superstar you're probably not getting benched if you opt to be unvaccinated. But it seems to me in the grand scheme of things you'd be better of sitting a #1 in favor of a #2 who's vaccinated based on potential availability alone.

In terms of monetary damages, I think the only scenario is where a team forfeits a game and it cannot be rescheduled, EVERYONE doesn’t get paid for that game.

[StumpHunter]

A lot of misinformation out there but I am genuinely curious how many athletes, college or higher, have gotten seriously ill from Covid? Last year it seemed a lot of guys got it and didn't even know they had it, and the biggest impact to them getting it was losing their ability to play for a couple of weeks. That might be the reason most of these guys don't want to get the vaccine.

[VikingsVictorious]

A lot of misinformation out there but I am genuinely curious how many athletes, college or higher, have gotten seriously ill from Covid? Last year it seemed a lot of guys got it and didn't even know they had it, and the biggest impact to them getting it was losing their ability to play for a couple of weeks. That might be the reason most of these guys don't want to get the vaccine.

You make a very valid point. No professional athletes that I know of have gotten significantly sick from COVID or had any permanent damage reported. On the other hand no professional athletes I know have gotten significantly sick from the vaccine or had any permanent damage reported. Just get the freaking vaccine so you don't have to put up with the protocols.

[VikingLord]

A lot of misinformation out there but I am genuinely curious how many athletes, college or higher, have gotten seriously ill from Covid? Last year it seemed a lot of guys got it and didn't even know they had it, and the biggest impact to them getting it was losing their ability to play for a couple of weeks. That might be the reason most of these guys don't want to get the vaccine.

How many would need to get seriously ill for that to matter?

One? Two? A hundred?

If an athlete got it, didn't get sick, but that athlete exposed a member of their family to it that did get seriously ill or died, is that enough? Didn't Karl Anthony Towns get it, and I think someone in his family died from it?

So far, the versions of this virus that are out there seem to be sparing the young from serious illness. What if that changes when a new variant emerges from the pool of people who remain highly susceptible to the virus (like all the kids under 12 and many over 12 who are heading back to school in a few short weeks, many of whom live in states where governors have literally passed prohibitions against mask mandates)? What if one day soon the majority of people getting ill and dying from it are not the old, but the young? The virus isn't going to announce that it's become way more deadly, much less to certain groups of people. It just will become more deadly and start to kill them. We won't even get the music that forebodes that change that you get in your typical horror movie. It just will happen.

It seems the clarion call of the unvaccinated is exactly this argument - "Hey, nobody I know got that sick or even got sick, so what's the big deal? Why not let me take my chances with it?"

That sentiment goes right along with those who said things like this:

"Hey, look, the ocean just pulled way back from the coastline. Let's go out there and take a closer look at that interesting stuff that used to be under several feet of water!"

"What tornado? I don't see a tornado on the ground. Why do we have to go to the storm shelter? Its too claustrophobic underground."

Mother Nature just underlines Darwinism, doesn't it?

[chicagopurple]

exactly!
the new variant IS affecting kids and younger adults more seriously.
kids and people playing contacts sports have become one of the biggest causes of outbreaks. there have been massive outbreaks from camps. This fall there will be no remote classes for school. we are going to fill schools with thousands of unimmunized kids and of course we will be seeing a massive outbreak as a result. In addition, with schools reopening we WILL see influenza this year, which we skipped last winter. Flu plus covid together is far more deadly, even for younger folks. Non-vaxxers are going to be responsible more a lot of deaths. Covid started out as a Natural Disaster....now its just Natural Selection....poor choices, fatal outcomes.
Our QB will spend much of the season in quarantine.... selfish and stupid. There is a saying in medicine, "you cant fix stupid." but covid can........

[VikingsVictorious]

exactly!
the new variant IS affecting kids and younger adults more seriously.
kids and people playing contacts sports have become one of the biggest causes of outbreaks. there have been massive outbreaks from camps. This fall there will be no remote classes for school. we are going to fill schools with thousands of unimmunized kids and of course we will be seeing a massive outbreak as a result. In addition, with schools reopening we WILL see influenza this year, which we skipped last winter. Flu plus covid together is far more deadly, even for younger folks. Non-vaxxers are going to be responsible more a lot of deaths. Covid started out as a Natural Disaster....now its just Natural Selection....poor choices, fatal outcomes.
Our QB will spend much of the season in quarantine.... selfish and stupid. There is a saying in medicine, "you cant fix stupid." but covid can........

You are totally guessing that our QB will spend much time in quarantine. All we know is 5 days. He didn't spend any time in quarantine last year. I wish he would get the freaking vaccine, but stop throwing out unsubstantiated speculation like that as if it's a fact. You could turn out to be right, but how about using the word may rather than will?
I don't believe you can't fix stupid is a medical saying. It's much more attributable to comedians. Particularly Ron White.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dJfbJOhR_8

[chicagopurple]

Firstly, I do work in the field...I have been treating patients since this epidemic started and at this point the ones getting sick are largely the ones in the tin foil hat and unimmunized. Secondly, we are seeing a ton of cases coming from sports and schools. Quarantine rules are still 10 days if you are positive, or exposed and symptomatic. With a team like the Vikes that has a low vaccine rate, that will be traveling all season, and have their kids back in school we will see far more cases and exposures pop up. Also, this season you will not have the same "bubble" precautions since society is trying to pretend that things can be back to normal now. Its just a horrible risk to allow unvaccinated players. It puts the whole season at risk and also puts the health and careers of others at risk. Post covid pulmonary and cardiac scarring is an unknown consequence. we just dont know if it will be progressive, long term or clear in a few years.....

[VikingsVictorious]

Firstly, I do work in the field...I have been treating patients since this epidemic started and at this point the ones getting sick are largely the ones in the tin foil hat and unimmunized. Secondly, we are seeing a ton of cases coming from sports and schools. Quarantine rules are still 10 days if you are positive, or exposed and symptomatic. With a team like the Vikes that has a low vaccine rate, that will be traveling all season, and have their kids back in school we will see far more cases and exposures pop up. Also, this season you will not have the same "bubble" precautions since society is trying to pretend that things can be back to normal now. Its just a horrible risk to allow unvaccinated players. It puts the whole season at risk and also puts the health and careers of others at risk. Post covid pulmonary and cardiac scarring is an unknown consequence. we just dont know if it will be progressive, long term or clear in a few years.....

I hear you on this post and you do sound like you know what you're talking about. I just think when you exaggerate your claims it invalidates them a bit. As of now I know of no professional athlete who has had any serious consequences from COVID, but there was a time I didn't know anybody who had COVID and now I have Brothers/Sister Aunt and Uncle who have had it. I don't think calling unvaccinated people stupid or people who don't like wearing masks Neanderthals is productive.

[StumpHunter]

A lot of misinformation out there but I am genuinely curious how many athletes, college or higher, have gotten seriously ill from Covid? Last year it seemed a lot of guys got it and didn't even know they had it, and the biggest impact to them getting it was losing their ability to play for a couple of weeks. That might be the reason most of these guys don't want to get the vaccine.

How many would need to get seriously ill for that to matter?

One? Two? A hundred?

If an athlete got it, didn't get sick, but that athlete exposed a member of their family to it that did get seriously ill or died, is that enough? Didn't Karl Anthony Towns get it, and I think someone in his family died from it?

So far, the versions of this virus that are out there seem to be sparing the young from serious illness. What if that changes when a new variant emerges from the pool of people who remain highly susceptible to the virus (like all the kids under 12 and many over 12 who are heading back to school in a few short weeks, many of whom live in states where governors have literally passed prohibitions against mask mandates)? What if one day soon the majority of people getting ill and dying from it are not the old, but the young? The virus isn't going to announce that it's become way more deadly, much less to certain groups of people. It just will become more deadly and start to kill them. We won't even get the music that forebodes that change that you get in your typical horror movie. It just will happen.

It seems the clarion call of the unvaccinated is exactly this argument - "Hey, nobody I know got that sick or even got sick, so what's the big deal? Why not let me take my chances with it?"

That sentiment goes right along with those who said things like this:

"Hey, look, the ocean just pulled way back from the coastline. Let's go out there and take a closer look at that interesting stuff that used to be under several feet of water!"

"What tornado? I don't see a tornado on the ground. Why do we have to go to the storm shelter? Its too claustrophobic underground."

I am not defending the thought process behind it, just gave an explanation of why they might be thinking that way. These men were tested a ton last year, many were found to test positive, and nothing happened to them aside from missing a game or two.

It could have given them a false sense of security that many of us don't have because most of us only know people who tested positive who got tested because they were sick.

Mother Nature just underlines Darwinism, doesn't it?

Sounds like Mother Nature had little to do with the creation of this virus, but even if it was a naturally occurring thing, I wouldn't be so heartless about these people dying as to imply their deaths are just a part of natural selection.