Aaron Rodgers... Think he's out of GB

[Norv Zimmer]

Do you really blame him? I mean he has played in that craphole of a town/state for 15+ years. He is from Cali and I bet would love to go back there to finish out his career. It has been pretty well documented that he and the new regime in GB don't really get along, if that deal that supposedly was offered by SF for him was true and GB turned it down I would be kinda ticked too.

[S197]

I think Rodgers' issue is he just won the MVP and has no guaranteed money in 2022 or 2023. So I don't really know that it's directly comparable to the Brady situation or about Jordan Love. Also, the league is in such a difference place now than when guys like Favre were around. You can play well into your 40s with the amount of protection afford to QBs.

The Packers are trying to mimic the Favre/Rodgers handoff with Love and who could blame them, it worked brilliantly. But you still need to take care of the guy who is playing at a ridiculously high level.

[vikeinmontana]

I'm likely the minority here but I almost always side with the players in these situations. Even Packer players.

I think the Packers have completely wasted one of the best qb's I have seen in my life by refusing to help him. I wouldn't blame Rodgers one bit to get out of that situation.

In regards to the player vs. coach discussion, I have always been of the belief that players are way more important than coaches. Don't get me wrong, some coaches are much better than others and Belichick is a brilliant one. But no amount of coaching replaces star qb's and loaded rosters. It's why every single one I can think of that has won it all had either an absolute stud at qb or a loaded defense. Sometimes both.

Put Rodgers on damn near every team with a better than average offense or a great defense and they are immediate contenders to win it all.

In the end you need to have it all though. Great coaching and elite qb's is the dream scenario for any franchise in football.

No doubt Rodgers makes just about any team at least a contender, I don't think that is a question.

I am curious what you mean by the Packers "refusing to help him"?

Well, since he was drafted they went 15 years straight without drafting a first-round skill position player. That's bad enough, but when you look at when they decided to buck that trend it's worse; QB Jordan Love.

In terms of draft capital at the skill position during this time, they ranked 29th of 32 teams. Literally they did nothing in 15 years to throw the guy a bone.

I was reading and if you throw offensive lineman over this same stretch, they drop to 31st, with only the New York Jets worse. That is never company you want to keep, let alone when you have a hall of fame QB on your roster.

This doesn't even touch on trades and free-agency. No team in the NFL has been as inactive in free agency since Rodgers was drafted. When Adams missed time for his toe injury a couple seasons ago Rodgers wide receivers were two undrafted guys and a 5th rounder.

Then there was the public comments that their hope was for Rodgers to only throw about 20 times a game and instead rely on the defense and running game. Even if you believed that asinine logic with a hall of fame QB, you most certainly don't say it! I honestly thought the Packers were trying to push Rodgers away at that time.

So that's what I mean when I say the Packers have done nothing to help the guy. It's like they think just because they had Favre and then Rodgers that hall-of-famers just grow on trees.

If I was him I'd want out of there ASAP as well.

Just my opinion of course.

[VikingLord]

Do you really blame him? I mean he has played in that craphole of a town/state for 15+ years. He is from Cali and I bet would love to go back there to finish out his career. It has been pretty well documented that he and the new regime in GB don't really get along, if that deal that supposedly was offered by SF for him was true and GB turned it down I would be kinda ticked too.

If Rodgers didn't want to play in Green Bay he didn't have to sign an extension to play in Green Bay. I don't think he has an issue with the town or state.

More likely explanation for all the recent controversy is he simply doesn't agree with the moves the GM is making. Rodgers looks at what the team needs to take the next logical step and it doesn't match up with the moves the GM is making. Even more, the moves the GM is making are arguably hurting the team's prospects and not just not helping them. So at this point in his career Rodgers is justifiably wanting to get back to and win a Superbowl and he's on a ship that is drifting farther and farther away from the shore.

People complain about Spielman as a GM or Zimmer as a coach, but when you look at the moves the GM and coach make in key situations in Green Bay the last few years, Spielman and Zimmer look amazing by comparison, at least IMHO.

If Rodgers does manage to work his way out of Green Bay you can pretty much pencil in the Vikings to win the North. Unfortunately, I don't think you can expect more than that, but without Rodgers I don't think Green Bay wins 8 games.

[StumpHunter]

People complain about Spielman as a GM or Zimmer as a coach, but when you look at the moves the GM and coach make in key situations in Green Bay the last few years, Spielman and Zimmer look amazing by comparison, at least IMHO.

Let me take a look and see what GB's moves have amounted to over the past couple of years versus the Vikings'...2 NFCCG appearances, 2 division titles versus 1 divisional round appearance. Clearly we are winning with our decision making.

[StumpHunter]

No doubt Rodgers makes just about any team at least a contender, I don't think that is a question.

I am curious what you mean by the Packers "refusing to help him"?

Well, since he was drafted they went 15 years straight without drafting a first-round skill position player. That's bad enough, but when you look at when they decided to buck that trend it's worse; QB Jordan Love.

In terms of draft capital at the skill position during this time, they ranked 29th of 32 teams. Literally they did nothing in 15 years to throw the guy a bone.

I was reading and if you throw offensive lineman over this same stretch, they drop to 31st, with only the New York Jets worse. That is never company you want to keep, let alone when you have a hall of fame QB on your roster.

This doesn't even touch on trades and free-agency. No team in the NFL has been as inactive in free agency since Rodgers was drafted. When Adams missed time for his toe injury a couple seasons ago Rodgers wide receivers were two undrafted guys and a 5th rounder.

Then there was the public comments that their hope was for Rodgers to only throw about 20 times a game and instead rely on the defense and running game. Even if you believed that asinine logic with a hall of fame QB, you most certainly don't say it! I honestly thought the Packers were trying to push Rodgers away at that time.

So that's what I mean when I say the Packers have done nothing to help the guy. It's like they think just because they had Favre and then Rodgers that hall-of-famers just grow on trees.

If I was him I'd want out of there ASAP as well.

Just my opinion of course.

NE has spent 5 picks in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft on skill positions outside of QB since 2008: Harry, Michel, Dobson, Vereen and Gronkowski.

GB has spent 5 picks in the 1st 2 round of the draft on skill positions outside of QB since 2008: Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Lacy and AJ Dillon.

NO has spent THREE at skill positions since 2008.

KC 4.

Seattle 7, only 1 in the first round and that was a RB.

Rodgers has had arguably the second best consistently good offensive players around him of any QB this past decade, behind only NO and maybe Pitt (although their Oline hasn't been great). Great WRs, Oline, and solid TEs throughout his career.

I just don't see where GB hasn't done enough for him on offense especially.

[vikeinmontana]

Well, since he was drafted they went 15 years straight without drafting a first-round skill position player. That's bad enough, but when you look at when they decided to buck that trend it's worse; QB Jordan Love.

In terms of draft capital at the skill position during this time, they ranked 29th of 32 teams. Literally they did nothing in 15 years to throw the guy a bone.

I was reading and if you throw offensive lineman over this same stretch, they drop to 31st, with only the New York Jets worse. That is never company you want to keep, let alone when you have a hall of fame QB on your roster.

This doesn't even touch on trades and free-agency. No team in the NFL has been as inactive in free agency since Rodgers was drafted. When Adams missed time for his toe injury a couple seasons ago Rodgers wide receivers were two undrafted guys and a 5th rounder.

Then there was the public comments that their hope was for Rodgers to only throw about 20 times a game and instead rely on the defense and running game. Even if you believed that asinine logic with a hall of fame QB, you most certainly don't say it! I honestly thought the Packers were trying to push Rodgers away at that time.

So that's what I mean when I say the Packers have done nothing to help the guy. It's like they think just because they had Favre and then Rodgers that hall-of-famers just grow on trees.

If I was him I'd want out of there ASAP as well.

Just my opinion of course.

NE has spent 5 picks in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft on skill positions outside of QB since 2008: Harry, Michel, Dobson, Vereen and Gronkowski.

GB has spent 5 picks in the 1st 2 round of the draft on skill positions outside of QB since 2008: Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Lacy and AJ Dillon.

NO has spent THREE at skill positions since 2008.

KC 4.

Seattle 7, only 1 in the first round and that was a RB.

Rodgers has had arguably the second best consistently good offensive players around him of any QB this past decade, behind only NO and maybe Pitt (although their Oline hasn't been great). Great WRs, Oline, and solid TEs throughout his career.

I just don't see where GB hasn't done enough for him on offense especially.

Man I just don’t agree. I don’t think you could find anyone within the NFL that thinks Rodgers has had the 2nd best offensive players in the last decade.

We’ll just agree to disagree on this one.

[Foreman44]

My wife is a packer diehard. She is so fed up withRodgers pouty, Pitts me attitude. She is ready to move onto whoever they go with.

My 20 year old grand son is another story. He is Rodgers biggest fan

[CharVike]

My wife is a packer diehard. She is so fed up withRodgers pouty, Pitts me attitude. She is ready to move onto whoever they go with.

My 20 year old grand son is another story. He is Rodgers biggest fan

Your wife has been watching HOF QB play since 1992. She's spoiled or bored. I wish they would move on to but it won't happen for many years. She needs a heavy dose of Ponder, Teddy, TJack, Keenum, Salsbury ect. over 20 + years and she would be begging to have Rodgers back. Or maybe she's missing Tagge or Whitehurst or whatever before 1992. Tell her to enjoy while it's here. If Rodgers stays healthy they will be in the tournament again this year. Once in you have a chance.

[VikingLord]

People complain about Spielman as a GM or Zimmer as a coach, but when you look at the moves the GM and coach make in key situations in Green Bay the last few years, Spielman and Zimmer look amazing by comparison, at least IMHO.

Let me take a look and see what GB's moves have amounted to over the past couple of years versus the Vikings'...2 NFCCG appearances, 2 division titles versus 1 divisional round appearance. Clearly we are winning with our decision making.

At least Spielman didn't trade up into the 1st to get a project QB.

Or Zimmer kick a field goal when he needs 2 TDs to tie.

Give it time... I think the Packers are falling apart in more ways than one.

[Foreman44]

My wife is a packer diehard. She is so fed up withRodgers pouty, Pitts me attitude. She is ready to move onto whoever they go with.

My 20 year old grand son is another story. He is Rodgers biggest fan

Your wife has been watching HOF QB play since 1992. She's spoiled or bored. I wish they would move on to but it won't happen for many years. She needs a heavy dose of Ponder, Teddy, TJack, Keenum, Salsbury ect. over 20 + years and she would be begging to have Rodgers back. Or maybe she's missing Tagge or Whitehurst or whatever before 1992. Tell her to enjoy while it's here. If Rodgers stays healthy they will be in the tournament again this year. Once in you have a chance.

The good thing is this

The odds of lightning striking at qb 3 times for GB is slim.

I am 69 with Parkinson’s. Memory may not be good, although I did well on my memory test... But I seem to recall between Bart Starr and Brett Favre, GB struggled finding a good QB..... I will love to see Love or what’s there hopeful QBs name is be another Ponder

[StumpHunter]

Let me take a look and see what GB's moves have amounted to over the past couple of years versus the Vikings'...2 NFCCG appearances, 2 division titles versus 1 divisional round appearance. Clearly we are winning with our decision making.

At least Spielman didn't trade up into the 1st to get a project QB.

Or Zimmer kick a field goal when he needs 2 TDs to tie.

Give it time... I think the Packers are falling apart in more ways than one.

That Love trade up is looking like a very prescient move right about now. Unless you incorrectly believe that is what set Rodgers off down this path, it gives the Packers something to work with at QB when Rodgers has his meltdown and it gives them some leverage.

I think you are misremembering the situation with the FG. They needed a single TD to tie and then they were going to have to hold TB to not scoring a FG to win it. I would have gone for it, but the thought process was that they take the high percentage FG then over the low percentage TD chance, and either hold TB to 3 and out to get the ball back to score a TD and win or TB marches down the field (like they did) and they would have lost anyway. The FG did improve their chances of winning more than turning the ball over on downs.

[vikeinmontana]

At least Spielman didn't trade up into the 1st to get a project QB.

Or Zimmer kick a field goal when he needs 2 TDs to tie.

Give it time... I think the Packers are falling apart in more ways than one.

That Love trade up is looking like a very prescient move right about now. Unless you incorrectly believe that is what set Rodgers off down this path, it gives the Packers something to work with at QB when Rodgers has his meltdown and it gives them some leverage.

I think you are misremembering the situation with the FG. They needed a single TD to tie and then they were going to have to hold TB to not scoring a FG to win it. I would have gone for it, but the thought process was that they take the high percentage FG then over the low percentage TD chance, and either hold TB to 3 and out to get the ball back to score a TD and win or TB marches down the field (like they did) and they would have lost anyway. The FG did improve their chances of winning more than turning the ball over on downs.

You're not wrong obviously. The analytics are what they are. But you have a Hall-of Fame QB on the doorstep of the endzone. I don't care if he was 0-10 before 4th down, I want the ball in that guys hands.

I wanted the kicker to miss that FG so bad.

[VikingLord]

At least Spielman didn't trade up into the 1st to get a project QB.

Or Zimmer kick a field goal when he needs 2 TDs to tie.

Give it time... I think the Packers are falling apart in more ways than one.

That Love trade up is looking like a very prescient move right about now. Unless you incorrectly believe that is what set Rodgers off down this path, it gives the Packers something to work with at QB when Rodgers has his meltdown and it gives them some leverage.

I don't think that set Rodgers off down this path necessarily.

I do think it was a completely unnecessary and speculative move with a very low percentage chance of paying dividends for them.

Love's rookie contract is probably what, a 4 year deal with an option year?

When they made the pick what are the chances that Rodgers wasn't going to be the starting QB for the Packers in another 4 years?

And IIRC, Love wasn't exactly a touted QB prospect coming out of college.

Very speculative pick even if the Packers didn't have Rodgers and needed a QB, but given they did and they didn't, it made zero sense. This is a quote from the Walterfootball evaluation of Love before the 2020 draft as a reminder of what we're talking about here:

4/21/20: Love had a good workout on the field at the combine, showing his arm strength and athletic ability. Team sources voted him the most overrated prospect for the 2020 NFL Draft, so he may slide lower than where they hype suggests. In 2019, Love completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,402 yards with 20 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He had some buzz about being a pro prospect coming off his 2018 season, when he completed 64 percent of his passes for 3,567 yards with 32 touchdowns and six interceptions.

Unless, of course, they knew Rodgers wasn't happy and didn't think they could count on him. But even so, you move up to draft Love to counter that?

Sorry Stump - this one is pretty much indefensible. The chances Love becomes an impact starter at QB for the Packers or anyone else is about the same as Kirk Cousins winning a Superbowl with the Vikings.

I think you are misremembering the situation with the FG. They needed a single TD to tie and then they were going to have to hold TB to not scoring a FG to win it. I would have gone for it, but the thought process was that they take the high percentage FG then over the low percentage TD chance, and either hold TB to 3 and out to get the ball back to score a TD and win or TB marches down the field (like they did) and they would have lost anyway. The FG did improve their chances of winning more than turning the ball over on downs.

I might be mis-remembering it, but I'm not mis-remembering my reaction and the reaction of everyone I talked to about it, including many Packers fans. None of them understood the decision. Not a single one agreed with it, and I believe even LaFluer said he would have gone for the TD in retrospect.

[VikingsVictorious]

That Love trade up is looking like a very prescient move right about now. Unless you incorrectly believe that is what set Rodgers off down this path, it gives the Packers something to work with at QB when Rodgers has his meltdown and it gives them some leverage.

I don't think that set Rodgers off down this path necessarily.

I do think it was a completely unnecessary and speculative move with a very low percentage chance of paying dividends for them.

Love's rookie contract is probably what, a 4 year deal with an option year?

When they made the pick what are the chances that Rodgers wasn't going to be the starting QB for the Packers in another 4 years?

And IIRC, Love wasn't exactly a touted QB prospect coming out of college.

Very speculative pick even if the Packers didn't have Rodgers and needed a QB, but given they did and they didn't, it made zero sense. This is a quote from the Walterfootball evaluation of Love before the 2020 draft as a reminder of what we're talking about here:

4/21/20: Love had a good workout on the field at the combine, showing his arm strength and athletic ability. Team sources voted him the most overrated prospect for the 2020 NFL Draft, so he may slide lower than where they hype suggests. In 2019, Love completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,402 yards with 20 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He had some buzz about being a pro prospect coming off his 2018 season, when he completed 64 percent of his passes for 3,567 yards with 32 touchdowns and six interceptions.

Unless, of course, they knew Rodgers wasn't happy and didn't think they could count on him. But even so, you move up to draft Love to counter that?

Sorry Stump - this one is pretty much indefensible. The chances Love becomes an impact starter at QB for the Packers or anyone else is about the same as Kirk Cousins winning a Superbowl with the Vikings.

I think you are misremembering the situation with the FG. They needed a single TD to tie and then they were going to have to hold TB to not scoring a FG to win it. I would have gone for it, but the thought process was that they take the high percentage FG then over the low percentage TD chance, and either hold TB to 3 and out to get the ball back to score a TD and win or TB marches down the field (like they did) and they would have lost anyway. The FG did improve their chances of winning more than turning the ball over on downs.

I might be mis-remembering it, but I'm not mis-remembering my reaction and the reaction of everyone I talked to about it, including many Packers fans. None of them understood the decision. Not a single one agreed with it, and I believe even LaFluer said he would have gone for the TD in retrospect.

So you're certain that Love is going to become an impact starter.