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This is meant to be fun. I always say, I'm not saying this is what's going to happen. Will it be correct, no. I have hit on a decent number of signings and picks over the years (Justin Jefferson, Lynch, Tajae Sharpe, Daniel Carlson, Waynes, Patterson, Hodges, Harrison Smith, Floyd, Lee, etc.) but it's next to impossible to ever get these anywhere near correct but I know you guys enjoy the read. I look to assess our current needs as best as I can and keeping it as realistic as possible.

I will say, I do a lot of research on these guys and if you look at my previous mocks, many of the guys I have us selecting may not be making an impact for us but they are making a big impact elsewhere.


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2021 Vikings Free Agents/Cuts/Restructures/Trades


CUTS


-TE- Kyle Rudolph- CONFIRMED

-CB- Mike Hughes- released with an injury settlement. Not sure if he will even be able to continue playing given the neck injuries he’s suffered.

-DT- Shamar Stephen- I’ve had him getting cut two years in a row now. I think it’s time. (Saves ~ $4 million)

-DT- Jalyn Holmes- never panned out when given the opportunity

-OG- Dru Samia- woof

-K- Dan Bailey- too bad because Bailey was fairly solid prior to his meltdown this year. (Saves ~$1.7 million)


TRADES


***Vikings trade LT- Riley Reiff to the Los Angeles Chargers for a 2021 5th round pick and a 2022 5th round pick.

-Ezra Cleveland will now move to his natural position of LT. Will this trade happen, probably not but I think they’d be stupid not to make it before they ruin Cleveland at RG. This move saves us a ton of money, gets us two draft picks and gets Cleveland where he belongs. No. Brainer.

EXTENSIONS

QB- Kirk Cousins- 1 year, to level out his remaining contract

S- Harrison Smith- 3 year extension which clears ~$3-$4 million this year.


RESTRUCTURED


WR- Adam Thielen- converts some of his salary into a signing bonus (not dead set on this one but threw it in there).




Restricted Free Agents

DE- Ifeadi Odenigbo- re-signed

RB- Mike Boone- re-signed

WR- Chad Beebe- re-signed

(ERFA) OG- Kyle Hinton- re-signed

CB- Chris Jones- let walk


Unrestricted Free Agents



Re-Signed

OT- Rashod Hill- 1 year- I’d like for him to stick around as a depth piece


LB- Todd Davis- 1 year- I think Davis was a very underrated signing this year. I liked what I saw here, especially as a depth piece or possible fill for that WLB spot.


Let Walk

S- Anthony Harris

LB- Eric Wilson

RB- Ameer Abdullah

DT- Jaleel Johnson

QB- Sean Mannion

OG- Dakota Dozier

S- George Iloka

OG- Brett Jones


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This free agency I’m looking to get some above average to average veterans that will be in the bargain bid. Some low risk, possible high reward type players. One thing this team could use, especially on defense, is some veteran leadership.

OG- Matt Feiler - 3 years

-Feiler is the perfect “under the radar” guard that we need. He’s been extremely solid for the Steelers the last 4 years seasons and I think we could snag him at a decent price given Thuney and Scherff will get a lot of attention. I feel like a move like this is a must.

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DE- Everson Griffen- 2 years

-I’m torn here for a few reasons. My initial signing was going to be DE- Denico Autry out of Indy who’s a pretty consistent “under the radar” pass rusher. However, we might be able to get Everson back a little cheaper. Griff has expressed a ton of interest wanting to come back and I think what happened here was that Griff realized after being in Dallas and then Detroit, that at this stage of his career, nobody is going to utilize him the way Zim would. He knows this defense inside and out and he shouldnt skip a beat. Griff still has some juice, this isnt a long term fix obviously but he was still fairly solid in 2019 and still racked up 6 sacks last year being on two teams. I think we could still get at least a year or two out of him of fairly effective play and I feel like he’d take a bit of a hometown discount at this point. We now have the leverage when it comes to re-signing him because he knows he will be used here and he quickly realized he wont be used like he wants to be on another team.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we had at least 1-2 free agent signings that were former players here. Rhodes, Alexander, Weatherly, etc. Zim mentioned at his end of the year presser that he really underestimated the veteran leadership he lost. A lot of it might depend how ticked off guys like Alexander are still at Zim.

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WR- Keelan Cole- 2 years

-It has been rumored that new Vikings WR coach Keenan McCardell had a really good relationship with Cole and really liked him as a player. Dont be surprised if this signing happens. I feel like this is similar to the Tajae Sharpe signing even though that didnt work out. I feel like there is a little more upside here, especially with McCardell here and him knowing the ins and outs of Cole’s game.

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CB- Johnathan Joseph- 1 year

-This is the definition of a Terrance Newman veteran leadership signing. Joseph has played for Zim in the past in Cincy, is a very well respected veteran, and actually still playing at a decent level. FUN FACT: Johnathan Joseph has never graded below a 64.0 in his career according to PFF. Pretty impressive for a guy that’s been in the league for going on 16 years.

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S- Jahleel Addae- 1 year

-Addae has worked out for the Vikings before and will provide a starting experience

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DE- Stephen Weatherly- 1 year (ADDED IN)

-Weatherly knows the system and is simply a depth piece

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-------TRADE DOWN-------

Vikings trade their 1st round pick (14th) to the Washington Football Team for their 1st round pick (19th) and 2nd round pick (51st)



Round 1 (19th via Washington)

DT- Christian Barmore- Alabama

Two words…..PASS RUSH. Out of any of these mid-first round picks, I feel like Barmore has the most upside. He was an elite pass rusher in college. That is one thing we’ve been missing at DT in Zim’s tenure. I think Shariff Floyd was a good pass rusher but his career ended early due to unfortunate circumstances. Barmore’s run defense is inconsistent and this is why many have him falling a bit. However, he showed well in the college playoffs vs the run. Plus, given we have Pierce and Hunter who are both elite run defenders, if Barmore can at least be a solid run defender and dominate with his pass rush, he’s gold.

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbvbTVEtf4M

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Round 2 - NO PICK- Traded to Jacksonville



Round 2 (via Washington)

CB- Asante Samuel Jr.- Florida St.

Rumor has it, we’ve met virtually with Samuel multiple times. He’s a little undersized which could be why he’s projected to go in the 2nd round. However, this kid fits Zim’s style of physical corner play. He’s an excellent tackler and a solid cover corner. The kid has good genes thats for sure.

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOFhjzy61cI

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Round 3

OG- Trey Smith- Tennessee

-First of all, watch the link below, such a great story. Either way, I’ve been talking Smith up for a while now. He’s arguably my biggest man crush in this years draft. As a FRESHMEN, Smith was PFFs #2 ranked offensive lineman in college football behind only Quinton Nelson….yeah. However, due to blood clots, he had to miss a lot of time. There was a good chance Smith would’ve been a first rounder if it wasnt for the medical aspect. He is exactly what this offensive line needs. A TRUE guard that can MOVE people. He’s not that freak athlete that Zimmer and Spielman think they so desperately need all the time. We need a guard with some power and an anchor. That is Smith. He can also play tackle in a pinch as well. Make this damn pick for once Rick! I’ve only mocked us taking a true guard in the 2nd-3rd round every year for the past 5 years. DRAFT THIS MAN!

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XexKg_7Mgpc

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Round 3 (via Baltimore)

QB- Kyle Trask- Florida

Not a “Spielman-esque” pick nor am I a huge fan of drafting mid-tier QBs because most end up flaming out, but I do like Trask and would take a chance here. This is a perfect situation to let him sit behind Cousins for two years and learn the ins and outs of the NFL. Plus we have plenty of picks this year and regardless of what anyone thinks….this team isnt a “bad” team. Barring something crazy, this team isnt finishing in the bottom 10 in the NFL for quite a while still so our shot at a high end QB is slim going forward. In terms of Trask, he’s similar to Cousins in terms of being a pure pocket passer. This guy can definitely sling it though and is very accurate. He’s got good pocket awareness and can get away from pressure if need be. I’m not a big draft and develop guy but really like him in this regard.

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQiLjp9G5R4&t=53s

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-------TRADE UP-------

Vikings trade their 4th round pick (110) and their 4th round compensatory pick (from Waynes, should be 130-140ish) to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for their 3rd round pick (96)



Round 3 (via Tampa Bay)


DE- Quincy Roche- Miami (FL)

-This is perfect trade up time for us. We will have FOUR 4th round picks (ours, Chicago’s, Buffalo’s and the compensatory for Waynes) and this trade is going to be well executed. We still pick twice in the 4th round and get a DE still sitting on the board that should be gone by this point. Roche has a lot of explosiveness off the edge and excels in the run game as well. If he’s there in the 3rd, I say trade up 10 times out of 10.

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWEX6L_CCYA

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Round 4 - NO PICK- Traded to Tampa Bay



Round 4 (via Chicago)

S- Andre Cisco- Syracuse

-Had to add one of my ‘Cuse boys in there. Watch this guys highlights! Cisco is one of the better safeties in the class however he tore his ACL late in the season which could cause him to fall. He’s very similar to Anthony Harris in terms of being that ball hawk type safety and notched quite a few interceptions in his career. He might be an even better tackler. He’s absolutely explosive coming up to make a tackle. I think this is excellent value in the 4th round.

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv1kh_ssiKU


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Round 4 (via Buffalo)

OG- Quinn Meinerz- Wisconsin-Whitewater

-Meinerz is a DIII product that has made some noise during the draft process. He showed some nastiness at the Senior Bowl. The Vikings have actually met with him a few times already. Even though we signed Feiler and drafted Smith, we need depth at the guard position. Meinerz has the potential to win a starting job in a year or two. He can play center as well.


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Round 4 (Projected compensatory for Waynes) - NO PICK- Traded to Tampa Bay




Round 5

OLB- Derrick Barnes- Vanderbilt

-Barnes is a solid run defender and will compete with Todd Davis for that WLB spot.

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcoo5IbIlok

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Round 5 (via Los Angeles (Reiff trade))

NT- Tyler Shelvin- LSU

-One position we’ve never had great depth at is NT. Anytime our NT went down, we ended up putting true 3 tech DTs there. Shelvin is a solid run stuffer and will provide depth behind Pierce.


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Round 5 (via Baltimore)

OT- Brady Christensen- BYU

-Christensen was a solid pass protector at BYU and provides some depth at tackle and could play guard as well.


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Round 6

WR/KR- J.D. Spielman- TCU

-This pick is probably going to take some heat but it’s not like this kid is a slouch. For those that dont know, Spielman is one of Rick Spielmans adopted sons. He’s only 5’9 but was a very productive slot WR and KR at Nebraska and TCU.

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh4N2my4m2I

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Round 6 (Projected Compensatory for Alexander)

K- Jose Borregales- Miami (FL)

-Borregales connected on 90% of his field goals in 2020 and will compete with Greg Joseph for kicker duties.


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Round 7

TE- Nick Eubanks- Michigan

-Eubanks is more of a blocking TE than anything and will provide some depth behind our top 2 TE’s.


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Projected 2019 Roster

Bold is free agent signing
Underlined is rookie
Italics is trade

I have 60 players listed but I’m not going to predict who the final 53 are.


OFFENSE

QB- Cousins / Trask / Browning / Stanley
RB- Cook / Mattison / Boone
FB- Ham
WR1- Jefferson / Spielman
WR2- Thielen / Johnson
WR3- Cole / Beebe / Osborn
TE1- Smith Jr.
TE2- Conklin / Eubanks
LT- Cleveland / Hill
LG- Smith / Udoh
C- Bradbury
RG- Feiler / Meinerz / Hinton
RT- O’Neill / Christensen


DEFENSE

DE- Hunter / Roche / Weatherly / Willekes
DE- Griffen / Wonnum / Odenigbo / Brailford
3 tech DT- Barmore / Watts / Mata’afa / Lynch
1 tech DT- Pierce / Shelvin
SLB- Barr / Dye
MLB- Kendricks
WLB- Davis / Barnes
CB1- Dantzler / Hand
CB2- Gladney / Joseph
CB3- Samuel Jr. / Boyd
FS- Smith/ Metellus
SS- Cisco / Addae


SPECIAL TEAMS- 4
K- Borregales
P- Colquitt
LS- DePaola
KR- Spielman / Osborn
PR- Spielman / Osborn



OVERALL: I’m not going to project the final 53 but overall, I think our team drastically improves given this offseason. We are able to address plenty of needs, not overspend in free agency, get guys in the right positions, cut dead weight and have a heck of a draft.


OFFENSE reflection:

QB- Not a Spielman-esque selection but taking Trask in the 3rd round provides us with a young developmental backup that I think is a little underrated.

RB/FB- No change

WR- Added Cole via free agency as well as JD Spielman as a burner and return specialist. I know some want a WR fairly early but I dont feel like we need to invest a ton here. I like Cole as a 3rd option and I feel like Spielman is an underrated prospect.

TE- after getting rid of Rudolph, there wasnt much need here. Ended up adding a blocking TE in the 7th round

OT- Only true change is trading Reiff and moving Cleveland to LT which I think is a no-brainer. Added some depth via the draft.

OG- I’m hoping that we FINALLY address this position with TRUE guards, not former tackles or centers and address it heavily like I did here. We end up adding Feiler in FA who I think will be overlooked with Thuney and Scherff being out there and a huge “second wave” pickup. Then adding my man crush Trey Smith out of Tennessee as our other starting guard and Meinerz who is a guard/center swing guy from a small school that could be a sleeper.

C- Not much change but Meinerz is there as a potential backup who could develop.


DEFENSE:

DE- I went back and forth on what I wanted to do in the first round. If I wanted to go here or DT. I like the depth in the middle rounds more for DE than DT so I went with DT in the first instead. And Quincy Roche was one guy I really wanted in those mid rounds hence the trade up for him I had us pull off. We will have four 4th round picks so that is plenty of ammo to move up in that spot. Also, adding Griffen back will be a plus and then Weatherly as depth. I’m not 100% sold on them signing Griffen back. I would’ve almost guaranteed it as seasons end given he was all about coming back but then he got a little loopy on Twitter and it makes me wonder if that turned the Vikings off. Either way, I think he’d come back here in an instant and on a cheap deal. As for Hunter, I didnt touch his contract here. I’m getting too many mixed signals that he does and doesnt want a new deal. Who knows what the situation is. But I can tell you that I would 1000% find a way to pay him if thats the case and the very last thing I would consider is trading him. If the Vikings trade Hunter so they can keep Reiff, and maybe even Barr around, I might give up on this team forever. Hunter is a MUST keep, no if, ands or buts.

DT- Ending up going with Barmore here. He’s a true pass rushing DT that this defense has so desperately missed. I think the only one we ever really had in Zim’s time was Shariff Floyd who I thought was going to be a stud but had an unfortunate career ending injury. As for Barmore, I think he might sneak towards the back half of that first round so I feel like this is a great opportunity to trade down, gain a 2nd round pick back and still get the guy we want.

LB- I had us re-signing Todd Davis and then drafting Barnes out of Vandy. This WLB position requires more of a run stopper than it does a cover guy and both Davis and Barnes excel at that.

CB- Initially, I wasnt going to take an early CB but I do like this class, especially Asante Samuel Jr. I think he is excellent value in the 2nd round. This trade down with Washington lands us Barmore and Samuel which is HUGE value. I think you will really see this CB room turn the corner this year and even more the following season with these 3 young studs in there and guys like Harrison Hand and Kris Boyd in there as depth. I also added one key cog to this group. Jonathan Joseph. He’ll be 37 going into next season but the guy is still playing decent ball. This is very similar to the Newman situation. He will be used not only as depth but also as veteran experience and leadership. He has also played in this scheme with Zimmer in Cincy.

S- We decide to let Harris walk. I didnt think we needed to dive deep to find someone to fill this role in the early rounds. We end up signing Jahleel Addae as a veteran presence and drafting my ‘Cuse boy Cisco in the 4th round which is huge value. I think he will fall some due to medical.

ST- Made some big changes here. Was thinking about going after a veteran kicker but went with the draft route instead and give this another shot. Ended up taking Borregales out of Miami (FL) who was extremely accurate this year. Also we added Rick Spielman’s son JD who is an explosive return man. Reminds me of a poor mans Tyreek Hill.


....Hope you guys enjoyed the read!!! :smilevike:
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Good offseason plan. No complaints about the draft and I like how you traded up to get another 3rd rounder. I actually had Joseph as one of my FAs signings recently and feel he could be a cheap upgrade at CB.

A few suggestions:

Cut the punter. Colquitt had the 2nd worst net punting average last season and is a below average punter making top 5 punter money. Some of that might be the ST coordinator, but the Vikings could save about 1 million (after signing his cheaper replacement) and not lose much in the punting game even if the guy they sign is worse, which is unlikely.

Griffen probably is looking for a 1 year deal this year, not 2, to make more next year when the cap goes back up. I can't see him making more than we just gave Weatherly, and see a lot of value there.

Extend O'Neil. Do it now to save cap in 2022 when you would have to compete with the open market.



What are you thinking for a restructure for Cousins? To save significant cap on this season and next, wouldn't a one year extension with 20 million in cap moved from the previous two seasons come out to around 55 million? I also have never heard of an extension given on an extension prior to a game being played on it. A different option would be to give him a void year in 2023, moving 15-20 million of dead cap to that season without locking into more years. Essentially the same thing without the commitment and while I believe Cousins has to agree to it, he has no reason not to and every reason to agree to it.
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Your mock offseason is one of my favorite reads on this board. Thanks again for taking the time to put this together. Always entertaining and thought-provoking.

A few thoughts I had...

Would you take Mac Jones at #14 if he's there?

Really like the Shelvin pick, especially at that spot in the draft. You're right he's not going to be rushing the passer, but he's the kind of big body, super tough interior defender that CharVike should love, a player who makes it nearly impossible to run inside on short yardage situations. You put him in a rotation with another guy like Pierce and keep both fresh throughout a game and now you've got the interior presence that sucks up blockers and allows your LBs to shoot gaps and make plays for a loss.

Love the Christensen pick in Round 5. I personally think he'll be gone by the end of Round 3 but if he lasts that long and the Vikings can snag him there that's a steal.

Love the Cisco pick in Round 4. Hard to believe he'll last that long either but would be a great pick there.

If the Vikings draft works out the way you've laid it out I'd be very happy. Barmore is probably the only pick I'd be worried about. As I noted in another thread, with Barmore it's not his talent level as he can play at a very high level when he's motivated. I'm just concerned about how consistently he's going to be motivated. I'm not sure if that is something that can be coached per se. If the Vikings take Barmore and get the motivated player seen in the video you linked to, that is a fantastic selection. If they get the guy who consistently underperformed his talent level prior to the end half or so of his last college season, that's not a great pick. He's a boom-bust kind of choice for that reason, and I'd be OK if Spielman went another direction too.
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StumpHunter wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:50 pm Good offseason plan. No complaints about the draft and I like how you traded up to get another 3rd rounder. I actually had Joseph as one of my FAs signings recently and feel he could be a cheap upgrade at CB.
Thanks and yeah I feel like having four 4th round picks is a ton of ammo to move up right there. And yeah I feel like Joseph would be the perfect veteran this CB room needs. Newman 2.0
Cut the punter. Colquitt had the 2nd worst net punting average last season and is a below average punter making top 5 punter money. Some of that might be the ST coordinator, but the Vikings could save about 1 million (after signing his cheaper replacement) and not lose much in the punting game even if the guy they sign is worse, which is unlikely.
Ya know, after reading this, I remember saying to myself when I was working on the draft portion to go back up and release Colquitt and I completely forgot. Yeah I feel like we could get a much cheaper, more effective option there
Griffen probably is looking for a 1 year deal this year, not 2, to make more next year when the cap goes back up. I can't see him making more than we just gave Weatherly, and see a lot of value there.
Yeah thats a good point, a 1 year prove it deal might do the trick.
Extend O'Neil. Do it now to save cap in 2022 when you would have to compete with the open market.
Another good point. Forgot all about extending O'Neill


What are you thinking for a restructure for Cousins? To save significant cap on this season and next, wouldn't a one year extension with 20 million in cap moved from the previous two seasons come out to around 55 million? I also have never heard of an extension given on an extension prior to a game being played on it. A different option would be to give him a void year in 2023, moving 15-20 million of dead cap to that season without locking into more years. Essentially the same thing without the commitment and while I believe Cousins has to agree to it, he has no reason not to and every reason to agree to it.
Honestly, I'm not really sure. I'm not super familiar with the ins and outs of the contracts and such when it comes to extensions and restructures. I just threw that out there because I know it has to happen. In terms of getting down to the nitty gritty money wise, I'm not sure what would get it done for both sides but it will be interesting to see.
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Keep Wilson and let Barr walk, Wilson was playing better than Barr
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RandyMoss84 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:46 pm Keep Wilson and let Barr walk, Wilson was playing better than Barr
He wasn’t. Wilson is absolutely horrid in terms of run defense. Last year Wilson missed 12% of his attempted tackles. In 2019, Barr missed 2% of his. Wilson constantly gets flushed out of the run.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:20 pm
RandyMoss84 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:46 pm Keep Wilson and let Barr walk, Wilson was playing better than Barr
He wasn’t. Wilson is absolutely horrid in terms of run defense. Last year Wilson missed 12% of his attempted tackles. In 2019, Barr missed 2% of his. Wilson constantly gets flushed out of the run.
Fine, cut Barr and draft a linebacker to replace Barr
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RandyMoss84 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:37 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:20 pm

He wasn’t. Wilson is absolutely horrid in terms of run defense. Last year Wilson missed 12% of his attempted tackles. In 2019, Barr missed 2% of his. Wilson constantly gets flushed out of the run.
Fine, cut Barr and draft a linebacker to replace Barr
If worst came to absolute worst, they should trade him if anything. Barr has been fairly consistent and still carries a ton of trade value. Cutting him and leaving a gaping hole there doesn’t make a whole lot of sense
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RandyMoss84 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:37 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:20 pm

He wasn’t. Wilson is absolutely horrid in terms of run defense. Last year Wilson missed 12% of his attempted tackles. In 2019, Barr missed 2% of his. Wilson constantly gets flushed out of the run.
Fine, cut Barr and draft a linebacker to replace Barr
I think you can negotiate Barr down to take a pay cut, but it likely means adding guarantees to a contract that has no guarantees left on it.
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I think if Reiff is gone, O'neill may move over. That was the plan last year when it looked like Reiff was leaving so don't be surprised. Also, Udoh is a RT, I think he's too big to play guard. It would not surprise me if Udoh takes over RT and Cleveland stays at guard.

Some will say this is a waste of a pick on Cleveland but I'm predicting what I think will happen, not what I want to happen.

Davis showed some potential and I like keeping him around. More upside to Wilson.

Can Samuel play outside? Gladney seems to have locked up the slot (two 1st round picks on slot corners, yikes).

I'd like to see us move on from Beebe. His hands are way too suspect for the role he has in this offense.

I'm also not sure I want Everyone back. Personally I think he needs to step away from football. His comments this off-season are troubling. While it may seem like a low risk signing, he can have a big locker room effect.
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great read, thanks PHP! the next 1.5 months should be exciting!!

I see you have Hinton as a B/U guard....does anyone know why he's an ERFA? He was drafted in the 7th last year, so shouldn't he be locked in for 4 years? Clearly there is some nuance that I'm unaware of, so hopefully someone can enlighten me on this :D :smilevike:

https://overthecap.com/player/kyle-hinton/8993/

Edit - looks like the original 4 year contract was voided (ie he was cut) and then they resigned him to the PS on a different contract. Makes sense I guess...sounds like when a drafted player is moved to PS the original contract is voided. But not sure then why a guy like Kenny Willekes is still on a 4 year contract? Maybe because he went to IR before he went to PS???
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Good job and well thought out. I like the suggestion of picking a QB. Griff isn't coming back here. He's going through what ever it is that's wrong with him again. But I've been wrong many times just my opinion. Like almost everybody Barr needs to be cut or take about half his CAP. I just don't see what he brings that puts him so far up the chart. I was hoping they would convert him to edge rusher but that's out also. I like your restructure suggestion also. Smith to me is not what he was. But he makes a big play a few times a year. Plus he's a guy they will keep until he drops just like Barr. Good read.
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Re: PHP's New and Improved Vikings Mock Offseason

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Love the read. Always do.

The trade with Washington is really good. I just don't know if they'd do it. In terms of draft points, we win that deal by a good 10-15%. But if Washington has someone they really want and don't want to risk losing him, I suppose it could happen.

At DT, I'm more of a Daviyon Nixon guy, but then I'm biased to Iowa linemen on both sides of the ball. They coach linemen so well, their strength-and-conditioning program is top-notch, and they always produce very solid pros. I worry about Barmore's run defense and lack of physicality, something that burned us a lot the past couple of years at 3-tech. Both of them have upside ... both have some development to do.

Love all the moves in the draft, including the Trask pick. Unfortunately it's just the kind of move Spielman never makes in the draft. I also noticed you have Spielman trading up a lot. I wish, wish, WISH that would happen, but we all know his penchant for doing the opposite. Never seen a guy who loves accumulating Day 3 picks like Spielman.

My optimism is starting to grow a little after a seriously alarming time of believing this franchise is doomed. I was running low on purple Kool-Aid, but Amazon got some back in stock. I think you're right ... the Vikings will find a way to keep Barr. For one, Zimmer loves him. For another thing, he's a good linebacker. Sometimes you need to be without something to realize how valuable it is. Even with elevated beauty (sack and INT) stats, Eric Wilson proved he's nowhere near as good as Barr, especially against the run. The return of Barr, Hunter and Pierce should move us up at least 5 spots in defensive rankings ... granted, still leaving us out of the top-20, but you gotta start somewhere. However, I also look for a lot of growth and maturity in Dantzler and Gladney (and I list Dantzler first on purpose ... he was clearly the better of the two last year, and was PFF's highest-rated CB for the month of December in the entire NFL). That's going to help a lot on the back end. But we absolutely MUST improve the pass rush. That's why I like your signing of Griffen. Even if he only plays situationally, his and Hunter's return should give us a much more formidable pass rush on obvious passing situations.

Gonna be an interesting offseason, for sure!
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S197 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:19 pm I think if Reiff is gone, O'neill may move over. That was the plan last year when it looked like Reiff was leaving so don't be surprised. Also, Udoh is a RT, I think he's too big to play guard. It would not surprise me if Udoh takes over RT and Cleveland stays at guard.

Some will say this is a waste of a pick on Cleveland but I'm predicting what I think will happen, not what I want to happen.
I was an advocate for them moving O'Neill over to LT quite a bit last offseason as well but I also wasnt expecting to draft a true LT either like Cleveland. Now that we have that, why move O'Neill is my question? I just dont get why they are so adamant about Cleveland playing guard instead of his natural position?

My guess and something I feel like I could nearly guarantee is currently going through their heads .....

"Well we know Ezra is better than Dru Samia at RG and we already have a hole at LG so lets not move him and create two holes at guard. As for Reiff, he played really well last year (for once in his career) and he's a leader so why get rid of him?"

There is ZERO thought of "is this the best thing for the future of our young offensive lineman?". They are more concerned with holes being filled. Doesnt matter by who, just being filled by someone thats at least not a train wreck. There is ZERO thought of Clevelands true potential at his NATURAL position. He fills a hole now so that is that. There is ZERO thought about how this effects Bradbury. They have Cleveland at right guard due to Samia being pathetic and then getting injured. It was by default, not intent. And what are they going to do? Bench Reiff mid year when he didnt given up a single sack? Cleveland is in the wrong position and it wont benefit him in the long run. They know this, but are turning a blind eye to it. They see one hole on the OL when in reality, it's all out of sorts. And I wouldnt be surprised that the one hole at guard that they do see isnt addressed until about the 6th round like it is every year. But maybe filled by an offensive tackle they drafted in the 4th.

Pretty much every time I tell myself, hey I'm just a fan, they know a lot more than I do about this. But honestly, I feel like I could honestly give them better advice regarding the OL. They dont know a damn thing. Think about it..... in the last 4 years, their early round offensive line picks went as follows: Center, Tackle, Center, Tackle. Dont be surprised one damn bit if it's another tackle this year. How long is it going to take them to realize that their approach at the guard position does NOT work. Name me a time they changed a guys position and it worked out, nope they also suck at knowing when to do that.

Sorry for the rant, not directed at you. I just think they really need to take this approach in free agency and the draft this year and I can 100% guarantee it wont happen. The fact that they are discussing a restructure with Reiff is already a dead giveaway.

Can Samuel play outside? Gladney seems to have locked up the slot (two 1st round picks on slot corners, yikes).
Samuel is an outside CB. Just undersized. And no I'm picking Samuel in the 2nd, not the 1st. Think of Samuel as an Antoine Winfield type.
I'd like to see us move on from Beebe. His hands are way too suspect for the role he has in this offense.
I'm not opposed to this at all.
I'm also not sure I want Everyone back. Personally I think he needs to step away from football. His comments this off-season are troubling. While it may seem like a low risk signing, he can have a big locker room effect.
I dont disagree. I could go either way here.
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Re: PHP's New and Improved Vikings Mock Offseason

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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:17 pmI was an advocate for them moving O'Neill over to LT quite a bit last offseason as well but I also wasnt expecting to draft a true LT either like Cleveland. Now that we have that, why move O'Neill is my question? I just dont get why they are so adamant about Cleveland playing guard instead of his natural position?

My guess and something I feel like I could nearly guarantee is currently going through their heads .....

"Well we know Ezra is better than Dru Samia at RG and we already have a hole at LG so lets not move him and create two holes at guard. As for Reiff, he played really well last year (for once in his career) and he's a leader so why get rid of him?"

There is ZERO thought of "is this the best thing for the future of our young offensive lineman?". They are more concerned with holes being filled. Doesnt matter by who, just being filled by someone thats at least not a train wreck. There is ZERO thought of Clevelands true potential at his NATURAL position. He fills a hole now so that is that. There is ZERO thought about how this effects Bradbury. They have Cleveland at right guard due to Samia being pathetic and then getting injured. It was by default, not intent. And what are they going to do? Bench Reiff mid year when he didnt given up a single sack? Cleveland is in the wrong position and it wont benefit him in the long run. They know this, but are turning a blind eye to it. They see one hole on the OL when in reality, it's all out of sorts. And I wouldnt be surprised that the one hole at guard that they do see isnt addressed until about the 6th round like it is every year. But maybe filled by an offensive tackle they drafted in the 4th.

Pretty much every time I tell myself, hey I'm just a fan, they know a lot more than I do about this. But honestly, I feel like I could honestly give them better advice regarding the OL. They dont know a damn thing. Think about it..... in the last 4 years, their early round offensive line picks went as follows: Center, Tackle, Center, Tackle. Dont be surprised one damn bit if it's another tackle this year. How long is it going to take them to realize that their approach at the guard position does NOT work. Name me a time they changed a guys position and it worked out, nope they also suck at knowing when to do that.

Sorry for the rant, not directed at you. I just think they really need to take this approach in free agency and the draft this year and I can 100% guarantee it wont happen. The fact that they are discussing a restructure with Reiff is already a dead giveaway.
No, I'm with you, I think the composition of the O-line has never really made a lot of sense from a holistic standpoint. You have guys that individually look like they make sense of paper but not when you put five guys together. When the last decent (and I feel like I'm using that pretty generously) guard we've had is Brandon Fusco, you know you've had issues for a long long time. There's a chance they kick Cleveland out to tackle, he seemed to struggle with technique early in the year and even at guard he was buried down the depth chart. He could have made the leaps necessary to transition over the course of the season/offseason. Also, the argument could be made that this is the MO for the coaching staff but with the weird covid season we're really left in the dark on what Cleveland looked like in those early months. No matter what happens, if Reiff leaves, it's another major reshuffle of the line.

Samuel is an outside CB. Just undersized. And no I'm picking Samuel in the 2nd, not the 1st. Think of Samuel as an Antoine Winfield type.
My comment about 1sts was Gladney and Hughes. Zimmer seems to like taller corners but he has deviated from that at times.
I'm also not sure I want Everyone back. Personally I think he needs to step away from football. His comments this off-season are troubling. While it may seem like a low risk signing, he can have a big locker room effect.
Oops. Autocorrect on my phone changed Everson to everyone.
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