As long as Kirk Cousins is a Viking, they will never draft a quarterback!!!

[VikingsVictorious]

True, but we didn't have a shot at him.

I totally understand but my statement was in reply to mael’s hyperbolic claim that the “only qb worth taking went 1st overall”

I get that.

[Maelstrom88]

Why would you invest in a QB with a high pick when you just extended Kirk and have many glaring holes? The only QB worth taking this draft imo went first overall.

Cmon mael, Tua’s worth a shot.

Tua also had a 13 Wonderlic score. So injury prone and dumb as a box of rocks.. I'll pass. For reference Jameis Winston, a guy I don't think anyone would call bright, scored a 27.

"We interviewed him. He's smart enough, but he's an RPO guy," an NFL scout told McGinn, referring to a run-pass option. "[Alabama offensive coordinator Steve] Sarkisian tried to do pro stuff, and [Tagovailoa] couldn't handle it mentally because all he'd ever done was RPO stuff. So they went back to RPO."

So he couldn't figure out college schemes but he's gonna do well against Belicheck?

[kidfozzy.]

Cmon mael, Tua’s worth a shot.

Tua also had a 13 Wonderlic score. So injury prone and dumb as a box of rocks.. I'll pass. For reference Jameis Winston, a guy I don't think anyone would call bright, scored a 27.

"We interviewed him. He's smart enough, but he's an RPO guy," an NFL scout told McGinn, referring to a run-pass option. "[Alabama offensive coordinator Steve] Sarkisian tried to do pro stuff, and [Tagovailoa] couldn't handle it mentally because all he'd ever done was RPO stuff. So they went back to RPO."

So he couldn't figure out college schemes but he's gonna do well against Belicheck?

Lamar Jackson and Steve McNair (rest his soul) must be both dumb as rocks too. Both scored at/below 15 on their Wonderlic test.

[Maelstrom88]

Tua also had a 13 Wonderlic score. So injury prone and dumb as a box of rocks.. I'll pass. For reference Jameis Winston, a guy I don't think anyone would call bright, scored a 27.

"We interviewed him. He's smart enough, but he's an RPO guy," an NFL scout told McGinn, referring to a run-pass option. "[Alabama offensive coordinator Steve] Sarkisian tried to do pro stuff, and [Tagovailoa] couldn't handle it mentally because all he'd ever done was RPO stuff. So they went back to RPO."

So he couldn't figure out college schemes but he's gonna do well against Belicheck?

Lamar Jackson and Steve McNair must be both dumb as rocks too. Both scored at/below 15 on their Wonderlic test.

All I see are facts. Both primarily won with their legs and never threw for more than 3,400 yards. You think Tua will win with his legs like them?

Also, that's not even my biggest knock on him. That's his durability. Too many medical flags and the Wonderlic score is just another hesitation. Guys with a history of injuries usually keep getting injured especially when you're going from a loaded Alabama to the Dolphins.

[Pondering Her Percy]

And somehow guys aren’t pleased....

Highest average grade across the board from all major platforms. And the worst grade, by a mile, the packers

[Fat Stupid Loser]

Why would you invest in a QB with a high pick when you just extended Kirk and have many glaring holes? The only QB worth taking this draft imo went first overall.

Exactly. And how many teams in the league have back up QB's who are a serious challenge to their starter? Unless your starter is Mariotta or Winston or a declining Eli, you don't spend big money on a back up. Although many don't believe it, Kirk is a really good QB.

[Fat Stupid Loser]

Why would you invest in a QB with a high pick when you just extended Kirk and have many glaring holes? The only QB worth taking this draft imo went first overall.

Cmon mael, Tua’s worth a shot.

You'd have to give up the farm to move up far enough to get him, and he is pretty high risk.

[S197]

Why would you invest in a QB with a high pick when you just extended Kirk and have many glaring holes? The only QB worth taking this draft imo went first overall.

Exactly. And how many teams in the league have back up QB's who are a serious challenge to their starter? Unless your starter is Mariotta or Winston or a declining Eli, you don't spend big money on a back up. Although many don't believe it, Kirk is a really good QB.

The Patriots, the Packers, the Colts, the Eagles to name a few. And the Washington Redskins when they drafted Cousins. Give or take depending on your definition of a high pick. But a lot of teams will invest a 3rd/4th or higher to find a backup at the most important position on the field. Just not this team.

[S197]

These QBs are not necessarily sunk costs if they’re not used either. You even see this with teams that have HOF QBs. They draft for contingency, develop them, then trade them for draft capital. The Patriots did this with Jimmy G and Brissett. The Packers did something similar during the Favre era with Brooks, Brunell, and Hasselbeck.

[Maelstrom88]

These QBs are not necessarily sunk costs if they’re not used either. You even see this with teams that have HOF QBs. They draft for contingency, develop them, then trade them for draft capital. The Patriots did this with Jimmy G and Brissett. The Packers did something similar during the Favre era with Brooks, Brunell, and Hasselbeck.

It's definitely an interesting debate. I used to be in the camp of always trying to draft and develop QBs creating competition for the starter and flipping the ones you develop. However, over the years I've changed my thinking on it.

For example, if you take a guy in the second round and your starter gets hurt then the second rounder plays what are the odds he's going to play well enough to make a team trade you a 1st in exchange for him? You would of course want a 1st so you could get a net plus on the second you spent plus the time invested in coaching him up. How much higher would the 1st be vs. where you took him in the second? What's the bust rate of second round Qbs vs. other positions? What's the bust rate of 4th, 5th, 6th round QBs etc.?

I've changed my mind as far as team building goes to what Bill Polian did with Manning. He knew it was going to be nigh impossible to create competition for Manning and if Manning gets hurt the season is a wash anyways. So why not use all your draft capital to build the best roster around that QB as you can? Of course, you must have confidence your QB is the guy to get you that Super Bowl to have this mentality which clearly the Vikings have that faith in Kirk. I think when you take a QB you're better off going all in on a high pick rather than rolling dice on a bunch of half measure guys hoping to strike gold.

[S197]

These QBs are not necessarily sunk costs if they’re not used either. You even see this with teams that have HOF QBs. They draft for contingency, develop them, then trade them for draft capital. The Patriots did this with Jimmy G and Brissett. The Packers did something similar during the Favre era with Brooks, Brunell, and Hasselbeck.

It's definitely an interesting debate. I used to be in the camp of always trying to draft and develop QBs creating competition for the starter and flipping the ones you develop. However, over the years I've changed my thinking on it.

For example, if you take a guy in the second round and your starter gets hurt then the second rounder plays what are the odds he's going to play well enough to make a team trade you a 1st in exchange for him? You would of course want a 1st so you could get a net plus on the second you spent plus the time invested in coaching him up. How much higher would the 1st be vs. where you took him in the second? What's the bust rate of second round Qbs vs. other positions? What's the bust rate of 4th, 5th, 6th round QBs etc.?

I've changed my mind as far as team building goes to what Bill Polian did with Manning. He knew it was going to be nigh impossible to create competition for Manning and if Manning gets hurt the season is a wash anyways. So why not use all your draft capital to build the best roster around that QB as you can? Of course, you must have confidence your QB is the guy to get you that Super Bowl to have this mentality which clearly the Vikings have that faith in Kirk. I think when you take a QB you're better off going all in on a high pick rather than rolling dice on a bunch of half measure guys hoping to strike gold.

I think being able to flip players is more of a secondary benefit. The main reason to do it is still because you want a reliable backup to continue the season and also a potential heir apparent. The Eagles are a good example of this where even after Wentz went down, they were able to still win the championship in part due to Foles. The second case can be seen in the Favre/Rodgers era where Rodgers got the benefit of sitting and learning for many years and the Packers were given a smooth transition between franchise QBs.

The Colts were a really unusual case, in my opinion, as they went from Manning to an absolute awful year, that allowed them to draft Luck. It’s rare to go from a playoff team to the worst team in the NFL and be able to scoop your franchise QB with the top pick.

I guess for me, if you look at the Vikings over the last 10+ years it’s been a proverbial carousel of QBs. Call it bad luck or failure to plan, either way it seems super odd to me that a team that’s incredibly snake bitten continues to put all it’s eggs in one basket. They had one season with Keenum where this worked out but short of that it’s been nothing but restarts under the Starter/journeyman/UDFA model. You would think after seeing Josh Freeman, Shaun Hill, Matt Cassel, McNabb, etc. they’d try something different.

[psjordan]

I think being able to flip players is more of a secondary benefit.

Seems like the Eagles look at it as a primary benefit:
From https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/spo ... 7a565.html

Answering the question why draft Hurts: “For better or worse, we are quarterback developers,” Eagles general manager Howie Roseman said. “We want to be a quarterback factory. When we make these kinds of decisions, we always go to our principles and who we are and what we believe in, and right or wrong, this is who we are.”

Some teams just have different philosophies. No way we'll ever be known as a "QB factory".

I agree we've botched the smithereens out of the drafted QB position for years on end. Unless and until someone in charge deems that approach to be the reason we are not winning SB's, well, I guess I don't see it changing.

Yep, it's frustrating as can be. But I'm not sure what the "hit ratio" is with any approach in getting a "franchise" QB. I suppose our management could be thinking why waste 12 picks on QB's over a 10-year span when the hit rate is just as good signing FA's. I have no clue what they are thinking or what analysis they have done.

[VikingLord]

I think that’s why I liked him as a late 3rd (practically a 4th) round pick. He could sit for two years behind Cousins and pick up the nuances. The physical traits you can’t teach are there. I like giving guys with the physical tools time to incubate rather than being thrust into a starting role. He would have had that here. And the cost was low enough it wouldn’t have been that prohibitive if he didn’t pan out.

I wouldn't have been upset if the Vikings had drafted Eason in the 3rd for exactly the reasons you listed. It would have been a great situation for him to sit and develop and he has a high ceiling.

I hope he has a great career, but I hope the Vikings aren't kicking themselves for passing on him more...

[808vikingsfan]

If we are all fine with 9-7, 10-6, one and done in the playoffs, let's never take a chance on another QB and extend Cousins until forever.

[VikingsVictorious]

If we are all fine with 9-7, 10-6, one and done in the playoffs, let's never take a chance on another QB and extend Cousins until forever.

If Cincinnati or Miami win the Super Bowl with Tua or Burrow I will become more interested in us doing so.