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VikingsVictorious wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:59 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:25 pm

https://vikingsterritory.com/2020/gene ... erresponse

In regards to what diggs wrote, check out this guys article regarding diggs. Very well written but man did he rip diggs in this :shock:
I think Diggs behaved badly, but I'm done with that so I'm not going to check out a link ripping on him. :govikes:
You made a good choice.

It read like a guy talking about a former girlfriend who left him for another guy.
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StumpHunter wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:25 pm
RandyMoss84 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:35 am Fans thinking Diggs wants to be traded just because he does not like playing with Cousins is dumb
It is just as dumb as fans thinking he only wanted to be traded because he "wanted to be the man" or because he was upset about the coaching.

We don't know why. We speculate, and try to read into his actions, but none of us know for sure why he wanted out.
Not really. Everything points to him wanting to be the man and not getting that treatment here. Hell a former teammate even called him out on it. No less look at what he said about cousins. He didn’t have to say that, but he chose to probably because he doesn’t have a problem with him. He wanted to be the center of attention and was too overshadowed here. Granted he didn’t specifically say “I want out because of....”. But it gets more and more obvious as the days go on and stories come out why he wanted out, and it wasn’t Kirk cousins.
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VikingsVictorious wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:59 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:25 pm

https://vikingsterritory.com/2020/gene ... erresponse

In regards to what diggs wrote, check out this guys article regarding diggs. Very well written but man did he rip diggs in this :shock:
I think Diggs behaved badly, but I'm done with that so I'm not going to check out a link ripping on him. :govikes:
You didn’t have to. Just giving the board something interesting to read
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:28 pm
StumpHunter wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:25 pm

It is just as dumb as fans thinking he only wanted to be traded because he "wanted to be the man" or because he was upset about the coaching.

We don't know why. We speculate, and try to read into his actions, but none of us know for sure why he wanted out.
Not really. Everything points to him wanting to be the man and not getting that treatment here. Hell a former teammate even called him out on it. No less look at what he said about cousins. He didn’t have to say that, but he chose to probably because he doesn’t have a problem with him. He wanted to be the center of attention and was too overshadowed here. Granted he didn’t specifically say “I want out because of....”. But it gets more and more obvious as the days go on and stories come out why he wanted out, and it wasn’t Kirk cousins.
It is whatever a person wants to believe it is. All we know for sure is that after a bad start to the season, Diggs sat out some practices and posted some cryptic tweets. He then triggered the Vikings willingness to trade him 2 hours after his QB got a contract extension with some tweets that implied he wanted out.

That is all we know for sure. The rest is pure speculation.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:29 pm
VikingsVictorious wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:59 am
I think Diggs behaved badly, but I'm done with that so I'm not going to check out a link ripping on him. :govikes:
You didn’t have to. Just giving the board something interesting to read
PHP I meant no offense and i appreciate your posting it for those who do want to read it. I just wanted to go on record that I'm over Diggs and his bad behavior. We got pretty well compensated.
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VikingsVictorious wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:09 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:29 pm

You didn’t have to. Just giving the board something interesting to read
PHP I meant no offense and i appreciate your posting it for those who do want to read it. I just wanted to go on record that I'm over Diggs and his bad behavior. We got pretty well compensated.
No worries and I agree
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StumpHunter wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:14 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:28 pm

Not really. Everything points to him wanting to be the man and not getting that treatment here. Hell a former teammate even called him out on it. No less look at what he said about cousins. He didn’t have to say that, but he chose to probably because he doesn’t have a problem with him. He wanted to be the center of attention and was too overshadowed here. Granted he didn’t specifically say “I want out because of....”. But it gets more and more obvious as the days go on and stories come out why he wanted out, and it wasn’t Kirk cousins.
It is whatever a person wants to believe it is. All we know for sure is that after a bad start to the season, Diggs sat out some practices and posted some cryptic tweets. He then triggered the Vikings willingness to trade him 2 hours after his QB got a contract extension with some tweets that implied he wanted out.

That is all we know for sure. The rest is pure speculation.
No you’re trying to manipulate the situation by saying these things were because of his QB and claiming them as facts. They are as speculated as anything else is. And how did diggs trigger the Vikings willingness to trade him 2 hours after cousins signed? The rumors of diggs wanting out started way back with the new scheme earlier in the year. He was targeted 19 times in the first 4 games and everything ran through cook. Even prior to that when Thielen got paid. The point is, diggs wanted to be traded well before cousins signed any sort of extension.

When Thielen was out, diggs was the man. When Thielen played, diggs was overshadowed at times. Add in the work that dalvin cook was getting and diggs was third in line.

The article below states that it’s pretty fair to dismiss that narrative at this point given what
diggs said about cousins in his recent article

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.daily ... ta-vikings


And to add on, the article I posted earlier that stated:
I know those that think this trade was somehow Cousins’ fault won’t take Diggs’ words at face value, and they shouldn’t, but not for the right reason (again, the reason is that Diggs wanted to be THE guy. Cousins “only” gave Diggs 102 grabs in 2018, and < 1,100 yards in 2019).

He then said three whole lines about Thielen. Even less about Kyle Rudolph and that was it. Nothing about people on defense, nothing about the people that drafted or coached him, or paid him a deal that would’ve netted him $14.5million a year over the next THREE seasons despite his, you know, inability to even make the pointless Pro Bowl.
In that article, Diggs could’ve snubbed cousins and said nothing, ripped cousins or say 3 words about cousins like he practically did with thielen. But he went out of his way to say all that he said about him, but you’re going to continue to blame cousins. So be it. I don’t need to change your mind, but the reasoning has become more and more obvious that it wasn’t because of cousins. There are next to no facts with any of this and we might never know, but let’s be honest, the arrow is getting further and further away from cousins being the reason. When a former teammate calls diggs out (greenway), someone that had no ties at all with cousins, never played with him and could’ve easily said what he wanted about him, might be the closest thing to a fact that we have. Then add in how diggs talked up cousins in his article. Yet fans will still find a way to blame....Kirk cousins. I guess we’ll never really know
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VikingsVictorious wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:21 pm This was posted by a guy on the talk Vikes board. I don't know where he got it from, but it should put to rest the idea that Diggs wanted out because he doesn't like playing with Cousins.

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Early last season, it was clear that Stefon Diggs wasn’t happy with the Minnesota Vikings.
The Vikings were struggling, Diggs strangely wasn’t at practice, he reportedly wanted to be traded and Diggs himself didn’t deny it. Then the Vikings offense got hot and everyone seemed to forget any of Diggs’ gripes.
It was resolved in the offseason when the Vikings traded Diggs to the Buffalo Bills. We’ll probably never find out exactly what happened during Diggs’ September of discontent, but he went out of his way to say he had nothing but respect for Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins.
If people thought there was some issue between Diggs and Cousins, Diggs praised Cousins in a first-person story for The Players’ Tribune.
Diggs said Cousins was one of the first people to reach out after he was traded.
“Kirk was one of the first guys to text me,” Diggs wrote. “He was super appreciative of the time we spent together over the last couple of years, and he was just as encouraging, wishing me the best of luck in Buffalo. And it’s like … what do I even say about Kirk? This is a man who has invited me into his home. Introduced me to his family. Put in the extra hours with us. He’s a guy who, through all the ups and downs over the last couple of years, I’ve developed a tremendous amount of appreciation and respect for. I’m definitely going to miss playing with and learning from him.”
Diggs also had great things to say about former teammate Adam Thielen (“He’s a guy I hold dear to my heart, and I’m damn sure gonna miss him.”) and the fans and city of Minnesota.
Diggs expressed excitement about playing for the Bills, and specifically quarterback Josh Allen. He said he remembers the upset the Bills got over the Vikings in 2018, Allen’s rookie year, and he was impressed.
Like plenty of others, Diggs is excited about the potential of the rising Bills this season.
“I mean, honestly, if you look at this Bills team — if you look at it RIGHT NOW, in 2020? I think it’s a team that’s ready to be great,” Diggs wrote.
The addition of Diggs is a big one for the Bills, even though they gave up a lot of draft picks to get it done. Diggs is excited, although it sounds like he’ll remember his time with the Vikings fondly.
I don't think it proves anything. If you read more of what Diggs said, he was praising Allen's ability to improvise prior to talking about Cousins. And it's clear Diggs said nothing about Cousins ability on the field. You can like somebody as a person but know his limitations on the field. Vikings are not going to the SB with Cousins at QB. Diggs knows this. I'm guessing so does everyone else that had a choice to stay but jumped ship. I really don't think it's about him getting his stats or being #1. It's all about winning. IMO, Vikings are in semi rebuild mode, Bills are ready to make a run, esp with Brady gone.
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So, Diggs loved his teammates, loved the fans and loved the city...but was a malcontent who wanted out? Something doesn't add up. Not sure how true that is. In terms of winning...Buffalo is a lateral move.
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808vikingsfan wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:44 pm
VikingsVictorious wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:21 pm This was posted by a guy on the talk Vikes board. I don't know where he got it from, but it should put to rest the idea that Diggs wanted out because he doesn't like playing with Cousins.

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Early last season, it was clear that Stefon Diggs wasn’t happy with the Minnesota Vikings.
The Vikings were struggling, Diggs strangely wasn’t at practice, he reportedly wanted to be traded and Diggs himself didn’t deny it. Then the Vikings offense got hot and everyone seemed to forget any of Diggs’ gripes.
It was resolved in the offseason when the Vikings traded Diggs to the Buffalo Bills. We’ll probably never find out exactly what happened during Diggs’ September of discontent, but he went out of his way to say he had nothing but respect for Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins.
If people thought there was some issue between Diggs and Cousins, Diggs praised Cousins in a first-person story for The Players’ Tribune.
Diggs said Cousins was one of the first people to reach out after he was traded.
“Kirk was one of the first guys to text me,” Diggs wrote. “He was super appreciative of the time we spent together over the last couple of years, and he was just as encouraging, wishing me the best of luck in Buffalo. And it’s like … what do I even say about Kirk? This is a man who has invited me into his home. Introduced me to his family. Put in the extra hours with us. He’s a guy who, through all the ups and downs over the last couple of years, I’ve developed a tremendous amount of appreciation and respect for. I’m definitely going to miss playing with and learning from him.”
Diggs also had great things to say about former teammate Adam Thielen (“He’s a guy I hold dear to my heart, and I’m damn sure gonna miss him.”) and the fans and city of Minnesota.
Diggs expressed excitement about playing for the Bills, and specifically quarterback Josh Allen. He said he remembers the upset the Bills got over the Vikings in 2018, Allen’s rookie year, and he was impressed.
Like plenty of others, Diggs is excited about the potential of the rising Bills this season.
“I mean, honestly, if you look at this Bills team — if you look at it RIGHT NOW, in 2020? I think it’s a team that’s ready to be great,” Diggs wrote.
The addition of Diggs is a big one for the Bills, even though they gave up a lot of draft picks to get it done. Diggs is excited, although it sounds like he’ll remember his time with the Vikings fondly.
I don't think it proves anything. If you read more of what Diggs said, he was praising Allen's ability to improvise prior to talking about Cousins. And it's clear Diggs said nothing about Cousins ability on the field. You can like somebody as a person but know his limitations on the field. Vikings are not going to the SB with Cousins at QB. Diggs knows this. I'm guessing so does everyone else that had a choice to stay but jumped ship. I really don't think it's about him getting his stats or being #1. It's all about winning. IMO, Vikings are in semi rebuild mode, Bills are ready to make a run, esp with Brady gone.
Look at the bolded above. Only a TRUE Anti-Cousins believer could come up with your conclusion. You have earned your spot in the Anti-Cousins Hall of Fame.
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808vikingsfan wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:44 pm
VikingsVictorious wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:21 pm This was posted by a guy on the talk Vikes board. I don't know where he got it from, but it should put to rest the idea that Diggs wanted out because he doesn't like playing with Cousins.

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Sorry if this has been posted already.

Early last season, it was clear that Stefon Diggs wasn’t happy with the Minnesota Vikings.
The Vikings were struggling, Diggs strangely wasn’t at practice, he reportedly wanted to be traded and Diggs himself didn’t deny it. Then the Vikings offense got hot and everyone seemed to forget any of Diggs’ gripes.
It was resolved in the offseason when the Vikings traded Diggs to the Buffalo Bills. We’ll probably never find out exactly what happened during Diggs’ September of discontent, but he went out of his way to say he had nothing but respect for Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins.
If people thought there was some issue between Diggs and Cousins, Diggs praised Cousins in a first-person story for The Players’ Tribune.
Diggs said Cousins was one of the first people to reach out after he was traded.
“Kirk was one of the first guys to text me,” Diggs wrote. “He was super appreciative of the time we spent together over the last couple of years, and he was just as encouraging, wishing me the best of luck in Buffalo. And it’s like … what do I even say about Kirk? This is a man who has invited me into his home. Introduced me to his family. Put in the extra hours with us. He’s a guy who, through all the ups and downs over the last couple of years, I’ve developed a tremendous amount of appreciation and respect for. I’m definitely going to miss playing with and learning from him.”
Diggs also had great things to say about former teammate Adam Thielen (“He’s a guy I hold dear to my heart, and I’m damn sure gonna miss him.”) and the fans and city of Minnesota.
Diggs expressed excitement about playing for the Bills, and specifically quarterback Josh Allen. He said he remembers the upset the Bills got over the Vikings in 2018, Allen’s rookie year, and he was impressed.
Like plenty of others, Diggs is excited about the potential of the rising Bills this season.
“I mean, honestly, if you look at this Bills team — if you look at it RIGHT NOW, in 2020? I think it’s a team that’s ready to be great,” Diggs wrote.
The addition of Diggs is a big one for the Bills, even though they gave up a lot of draft picks to get it done. Diggs is excited, although it sounds like he’ll remember his time with the Vikings fondly.
I don't think it proves anything. If you read more of what Diggs said, he was praising Allen's ability to improvise prior to talking about Cousins. And it's clear Diggs said nothing about Cousins ability on the field. You can like somebody as a person but know his limitations on the field. Vikings are not going to the SB with Cousins at QB. Diggs knows this. I'm guessing so does everyone else that had a choice to stay but jumped ship. I really don't think it's about him getting his stats or being #1. It's all about winning. IMO, Vikings are in semi rebuild mode, Bills are ready to make a run, esp with Brady gone.
You’re really trying to speculate that not only did diggs leave because of his QB but so did the other players? Like, are you kidding me? Yeah trae Waynes and mac Alexander were like, “cousins won’t win us a SB, I’m going to go sign with the 2-14 bengals instead”. Or weatherly with the panthers. Or sendejo with the browns. Or Kearse with the lions. The Vikings are a better team than every single one of them. Most by a long shot. So I have no idea where you’re trying to go with that argument but I can tell you that you have no argument. You’re just simply trying to blame everything on cousins because you don’t like him. There’s a difference between having a realistic argument and being a cousins hater. Claiming other players left because of him is simply you just being a cousins hater.

And sorry but buffalo is in no more of a position to make a run than we are. I’m surrounded by bills fans and live in upstate NY. Even many bills fans don’t believe in josh Allen. Bills fans are content with just getting to the playoffs. And yeah, they play in the worst division in football. The Vikings would walk through that division. But I can tell you right now if you’re going to claim the Vikings aren’t winning a SB with cousins, I can 110% guarantee you the bills aren’t winning one with josh Allen.
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VikingsVictorious wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:52 am
808vikingsfan wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:44 pm

I don't think it proves anything. If you read more of what Diggs said, he was praising Allen's ability to improvise prior to talking about Cousins. And it's clear Diggs said nothing about Cousins ability on the field. You can like somebody as a person but know his limitations on the field. Vikings are not going to the SB with Cousins at QB. Diggs knows this. I'm guessing so does everyone else that had a choice to stay but jumped ship. I really don't think it's about him getting his stats or being #1. It's all about winning. IMO, Vikings are in semi rebuild mode, Bills are ready to make a run, esp with Brady gone.
Look at the bolded above. Only a TRUE Anti-Cousins believer could come up with your conclusion. You have earned your spot in the Anti-Cousins Hall of Fame.
I still don't see Diggs saying anything about Cousins ability on the field. Ponder was a smart and likeable guy too. I'm sure players missed playing and learning from him too.
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808vikingsfan wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:15 am
VikingsVictorious wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:52 am
Look at the bolded above. Only a TRUE Anti-Cousins believer could come up with your conclusion. You have earned your spot in the Anti-Cousins Hall of Fame.
I still don't see Diggs saying anything about Cousins ability on the field. Ponder was a smart and likeable guy too. I'm sure players missed playing and learning from him too.
Ugh just stop. Like why can’t we just have realistic discussions? I swear we could have a thread about Austin Cutting our long snapper and by page 5 there will be a Cousins hater that has to chime in about something. Like you’re using cousins and ponder in the same sentence. You’re claiming other players left because of him when 2 of our top free agents signed with the worst team in football and the rest went to lesser teams. Claiming diggs left because of him and how he didn’t comment on his play. Yet he said what about josh Allen? That he had “moxie” because he leaped over Barr. He said way less about Allen than he did cousins. Must mean he hates Allen too and will be out of buffalo soon. Like are you trolling or actually trying to have a discussion? Because what you’re trying to claim seems to me like you’re just trying to start a fire
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:07 am
808vikingsfan wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:15 am

I still don't see Diggs saying anything about Cousins ability on the field. Ponder was a smart and likeable guy too. I'm sure players missed playing and learning from him too.
Ugh just stop. Like why can’t we just have realistic discussions? I swear we could have a thread about Austin Cutting our long snapper and by page 5 there will be a Cousins hater that has to chime in about something. Like you’re using cousins and ponder in the same sentence. You’re claiming other players left because of him when 2 of our top free agents signed with the worst team in football and the rest went to lesser teams. Claiming diggs left because of him and how he didn’t comment on his play. Yet he said what about josh Allen? That he had “moxie” because he leaped over Barr. He said way less about Allen than he did cousins. Must mean he hates Allen too and will be out of buffalo soon. Like are you trolling or actually trying to have a discussion? Because what you’re trying to claim seems to me like you’re just trying to start a fire
Just stop.

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StumpHunter wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:03 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:07 am

Ugh just stop. Like why can’t we just have realistic discussions? I swear we could have a thread about Austin Cutting our long snapper and by page 5 there will be a Cousins hater that has to chime in about something. Like you’re using cousins and ponder in the same sentence. You’re claiming other players left because of him when 2 of our top free agents signed with the worst team in football and the rest went to lesser teams. Claiming diggs left because of him and how he didn’t comment on his play. Yet he said what about josh Allen? That he had “moxie” because he leaped over Barr. He said way less about Allen than he did cousins. Must mean he hates Allen too and will be out of buffalo soon. Like are you trolling or actually trying to have a discussion? Because what you’re trying to claim seems to me like you’re just trying to start a fire
Just stop.

People writing things that you disagree with doesn't make them a troll.
When someone claims that others players left because of cousins? Are you going to tell me there is any sort of validity or backing behind that? Is that even a fair assessment to make? Especially given where these players actually went. Then mentioning ponder in the same regard as cousins. If that’s not trying to start a fire, then I don’t know what is. There have been plenty of members that gave disagreed with my takes in the past and I don’t say they are all trolling or trying to start a fire. Not even close with many. But claims like the one above regarding the other players and the ponder/cousins thing sure seems like it.
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