And it underscores how flat the class is and how likely it is that solid prospects can be found in the later rounds. No need to reach in the early rounds. If the Vikings feel strongly enough perhaps trading one of the two first rounders for an extra 2nd might work, but I think they could get help at WR as late as the 5th or 6th rounds if they're willing to accept some development time.
Anythings possible, but IMO any receiver we get after the third round isn't going to be special and drafting the special ones after the second round is going to take excellent draft acumen.
Diggs was a 5th round pick.
I can name one WR that is likely to fly under the radar and be available in the 5th that I think is going to have an excellent NFL career - Lynn Bowden. Watch his tape. Watch what he does. The guy played WR *and* QB *and* returned kicks. Smart, tough, special player who doesn't wow on measurables but is going to thrive as a pro IMHO.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:47 pm
Anythings possible, but IMO any receiver we get after the third round isn't going to be special and drafting the special ones after the second round is going to take excellent draft acumen.
Diggs was a 5th round pick.
I can name one WR that is likely to fly under the radar and be available in the 5th that I think is going to have an excellent NFL career - Lynn Bowden. Watch his tape. Watch what he does. The guy played WR *and* QB *and* returned kicks. Smart, tough, special player who doesn't wow on measurables but is going to thrive as a pro IMHO.
Yes I get that VikingLord. Read the first two words of my prior post. Anythings possible. You might be a genius about Lynn Bowden and he goes in the 5th round and has an excellent NFL career. However, that begs the question of why all the NFL draft wizards will be stupid enough not to recognize the likely greatness of Lynn Bowden. There should be a few of them who can recognize his value despite his mediocre measurables.
My statement remains that finding a special WR after the second round will take excellent draft acumen. In the first two rounds you could easily have a blind squirrel finding an acorn.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 am
What could possibly go wrong signing Antonio Brown?
Even though we're hard against the cap, I'm sure we could find a way to make Antonio Brown the highest paid receiver in football, which he obviously wants (and certainly deserves) since he fired Drew Rosenhaus for failing to land him such a deal second time after he had already landed him such a deal. I mean, Rosenhaus ... what's he ever done?
Other than that, the off-field issues are so minor and picky as to be slightly stupid. I mean, is throwing furniture and almost killing a toddler, getting arrested for reckless driving, assaulting one of his baby mamas, stiffing a chef for $38,000, taking services from a personal trainer and not paying him, and sexually assaulting a woman three times really all THAT bad? Who among us can say we haven't done as much -- or worse?
Plus, he's a consummate teammate who never complains about how many targets he's getting.
Let's go get this man.
Mother of his child. I hate when people use that term in a condescending way.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 am
What could possibly go wrong signing Antonio Brown?
Even though we're hard against the cap, I'm sure we could find a way to make Antonio Brown the highest paid receiver in football, which he obviously wants (and certainly deserves) since he fired Drew Rosenhaus for failing to land him such a deal second time after he had already landed him such a deal. I mean, Rosenhaus ... what's he ever done?
Other than that, the off-field issues are so minor and picky as to be slightly stupid. I mean, is throwing furniture and almost killing a toddler, getting arrested for reckless driving, assaulting one of his baby mamas, stiffing a chef for $38,000, taking services from a personal trainer and not paying him, and sexually assaulting a woman three times really all THAT bad? Who among us can say we haven't done as much -- or worse?
Plus, he's a consummate teammate who never complains about how many targets he's getting.
Let's go get this man.
Mother of his child. I hate when people use that term in a condescending way.
The term is because so many people in the world today make babies together with no commitment to each other and often without even liking each other. You notice how the report said ONE OF his Baby Mamas. The term applies to men just as much. Baby Daddy. It doesn't necessarily mean these are bad people, but it does imply they are irresponsible people. There will of course be some exceptions.
Ruggs scares me based on the break down, but really it doesn't seem like you can go wrong.
That was a good analysis.
Conclusion: This draft appears to be as rich in receiver prospects as its reputation has suggested, especially in regards to deep threats. If the Vikings primarily want a field-stretcher, it may make the most sense to wait until the second round, or trade down from the first to the early second. Ruggs and Higgins don't appear to be significantly better prospects than Mims or Reagor or Jefferson by this method, and the top two - Jeudy and CeeDee Lamb - look more like solid pros than Pro Bowlers.
I want Lamb in the first, if we decide to move up to get a WR in the top 15, or Reagor in the 2nd, if he should fall. Watch Reagor's highlights. We could use that burst and twitchiness. I'd also be fine with Jefferson at 22 or 25.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:06 pm
However, that begs the question of why all the NFL draft wizards will be stupid enough not to recognize the likely greatness of Lynn Bowden. There should be a few of them who can recognize his value despite his mediocre measurables.
Good question. How did those guys miss Diggs? Or Thielen? Or Brady?
Also, I'm not claiming Bowden is going to be great in the pros. I think he can have a very solid career and contribute in multiple ways to the team that selects him.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:06 pm
However, that begs the question of why all the NFL draft wizards will be stupid enough not to recognize the likely greatness of Lynn Bowden. There should be a few of them who can recognize his value despite his mediocre measurables.
Good question. How did those guys miss Diggs? Or Thielen? Or Brady?
Also, I'm not claiming Bowden is going to be great in the pros. I think he can have a very solid career and contribute in multiple ways to the team that selects him.
So when you said excellent you meant in regards to his draft position. The thing is I want us to get a WR that will simply be excellent even if he was drafted in the first round. I want us to get a WR that will regularly produce highly efficient 1000 yard seasons. I'm not expecting that his rookie year, but sooner rather than later.
Mother of his child. I hate when people use that term in a condescending way.
The term is because so many people in the world today make babies together with no commitment to each other and often without even liking each other. You notice how the report said ONE OF his Baby Mamas. The term applies to men just as much. Baby Daddy. It doesn't necessarily mean these are bad people, but it does imply they are irresponsible people. There will of course be some exceptions.
Yes but it is dispopostionally applied to Black athletes in a condo ending way. We don't hear people say Brady's baby mamma.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:50 pm
The term is because so many people in the world today make babies together with no commitment to each other and often without even liking each other. You notice how the report said ONE OF his Baby Mamas. The term applies to men just as much. Baby Daddy. It doesn't necessarily mean these are bad people, but it does imply they are irresponsible people. There will of course be some exceptions.
Yes but it is dispopostionally applied to Black athletes in a condo ending way. We don't hear people say Brady's baby mamma.
There might be some of that, but I've absolutely heard it applied to white people on a pretty regular basis. I just googled Tom Brady and Bridget Moynahan and this was the second thing that popped up. Tom Brady's baby mama Bridget Moynahan trolls her ex ... She was already a famous somewhat wealthy actress before Brady knocked her up. They had a 2.5 year relationship before parting and were unaware she was pregnant at the time. Brady was officially together with Giselle Bundchen two weeks later. IMO she doesn't really qualify for the title of Baby Mama as to me that implies that making a baby together was the extent of the relationship, but it all depends on how you look at it.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:49 am
What could possibly go wrong signing Antonio Brown?
Even though we're hard against the cap, I'm sure we could find a way to make Antonio Brown the highest paid receiver in football, which he obviously wants (and certainly deserves) since he fired Drew Rosenhaus for failing to land him such a deal second time after he had already landed him such a deal. I mean, Rosenhaus ... what's he ever done?
Other than that, the off-field issues are so minor and picky as to be slightly stupid. I mean, is throwing furniture and almost killing a toddler, getting arrested for reckless driving, assaulting one of his baby mamas, stiffing a chef for $38,000, taking services from a personal trainer and not paying him, and sexually assaulting a woman three times really all THAT bad? Who among us can say we haven't done as much -- or worse?
Plus, he's a consummate teammate who never complains about how many targets he's getting.
Let's go get this man.
Mother of his child. I hate when people use that term in a condescending way.
Oh my gosh. Is there anything anybody can say on this board without offending somebody?
Mother of his child. I hate when people use that term in a condescending way.
Oh my gosh. Is there anything anybody can say on this board without offending somebody?
I'm sorry.
Was baby mama words you chose or were you quoting the report? Either way I wasn't offended. Also you were making a snarky post and Baby Mama fit the tone better than Mother of his child.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:13 pm
Oh my gosh. Is there anything anybody can say on this board without offending somebody?
I'm sorry.
Was baby mama words you chose or were you quoting the report? Either way I wasn't offended. Also you were making a snarky post and Baby Mama fit the tone better than Mother of his child.
My choice of words. It was a sarcastic post, and I was just flying across the keyboard, spitting out words. I had no idea someone would be offended.
I will say this. Yes, "baby mama" fits the tone better. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, but you'd better believe ... I WAS making an offhanded commentary on the fact that LOTS of professional athletes have several children with different mothers. And I happen to find THAT offensive.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:17 pm
Was baby mama words you chose or were you quoting the report? Either way I wasn't offended. Also you were making a snarky post and Baby Mama fit the tone better than Mother of his child.
My choice of words. It was a sarcastic post, and I was just flying across the keyboard, spitting out words. I had no idea someone would be offended.
I will say this. Yes, "baby mama" fits the tone better. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, but you'd better believe ... I WAS making an offhanded commentary on the fact that LOTS of professional athletes have several children with different mothers. And I happen to find THAT offensive.
I have no doubt that you didn't INTEND to offend anyone. However, there a slight things that people do that can be considered borderline. It's the samething I tell people that speak slang to me in the work place but not to anyone else. Again I contend that most wouldn't say baby mamma when speaking about Brady's family situation and he left here while she was preggors.
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:32 pm
My choice of words. It was a sarcastic post, and I was just flying across the keyboard, spitting out words. I had no idea someone would be offended.
I will say this. Yes, "baby mama" fits the tone better. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, but you'd better believe ... I WAS making an offhanded commentary on the fact that LOTS of professional athletes have several children with different mothers. And I happen to find THAT offensive.
I have no doubt that you didn't INTEND to offend anyone. However, there a slight things that people do that can be considered borderline. It's the samething I tell people that speak slang to me in the work place but not to anyone else. Again I contend that most wouldn't say baby mamma when speaking about Brady's family situation and he left here while she was preggors.
I don't understand. You quote the Brady situation, which has nothing to do with the Brown situation. Also, I know a woman or two who would object to the term "preggors."
And I'll repeat ... if my choice of words came off as commentary against the types of situations where the baby DOES represent the extent of the relationship, then good. AB has five kids by three mothers (that we know of) so please don't hold him up as a Father of the Year candidate just because three of his kids have the same mother.
All that said, I'll try not to use the term in the future. Meanwhile, just say NO to Antonio Brown as a Viking.
Sooooo.......
Diggs fell in the draft because he was oft injured in college and didn't put up massive numbers in college. He also doesn't possess All Pro measurables. However, even in HS he was an All World talent. The ability was always there. Production and opportunities weren't.
Gets to NFL, is healthy, gets opportunity, and away he goes. Just a matter of "when" for him....
