Trent Williams

[VikingsVictorious]

Been there done that. It’s a flawed stat. You try and make it sound like he had a good pass blocking OL. He didn’t, in any way, shape or form. The heavy play action and rollouts made that next gen stat look a lot better than it actually was. This OL is bad, especially at pass blocking outside of O’Neill. It’s obvious to everyone

Cousins is pressured a lot because he holds the ball too long. Everyone can see that too.

I get you don't want to acknowledge the number, it kind of makes Cousins look like he might be a part of the issues on the line, but the time a line is asked to hold their blocks should be considered when looking at how much pressure they give up, no?

I mean, if the QB holds the ball longer than any QB in week 16 (which he did by quite a bit), a QB who is not a scrambler, and gets pressured a lot, can't we kind of point the finger at the QB for those pressures?

Here are some other fun stats from Cousins time as a Viking:
Wins: 11th out of 22 with qualifying starts
GWDs: 1 which is good for 22nd
4QCs: Tied for 18th with 2

Man is he making an impact.

One person can say he holds the ball too long. Another could say he's showing courage waiting for as long as possible for a receiver to come open. Despite poor line play Cousins created the most time to throw of any QB in the NFL and he wasn't sacked very much or threw many interceptions despite that poor line play. Anybody can play this game Stump. You like to cherry pick the stats to support the narrative that Cousins sucks. I can turn them around to make him courageous and great. How about we just stop all this BS.

[StumpHunter]

The offensive line gave the QB the most time to throw in the NFL last season. Brady doesn't require that much time, he gets rid of the ball quickly to compensate for his lack of mobility, and Mahomes has us winning the SB last season behind that line.

There is room to upgrade there, I do think a rookie would struggle behind that line, and clearly it still wasn't good enough for Cousins. It just wasn't so bad Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers or Wilson don't hide some of its flaws better.

Stump continually goes to that BS stat that the line gave Cousins the most time to throw in the NFL last year. They actually didn't do anything close to that. Found this on Twitter.

If you dive deeper into the actually numbers for the OL, which is time he has in the POCKET, which was a rough 2.2, he has those three in roll outs etc which we run a lot to buy him time. 2.2 seconds is the 5th worst in the NFL where the average is 2.6.

It was Cousins on rollouts and bootlegs creating the extra time.

Your twitter number is incorrect.

PFF had Cousins as having the most time in the pocket of any QB in the NFL. PFF isn't perfect, but I trust their numbers when all they have to do is hold a stopwatch.

Keep trying though!

[StumpHunter]

One person can say he holds the ball too long. Another could say he's showing courage waiting for as long as possible for a receiver to come open.

I prefer Cousins holding the ball waiting to make a play over Bradford getting rid of the ball in 2.2 seconds and going three and out after 3 straight passes for 3 yards, that is for sure.

However, in an ideal world, Cousins in his 8th season would see the field better and be able to make plays in 2.5 seconds on average instead of 3 seconds. Similar to what Brees and Brady do to compensate for their lack of mobility.

Despite poor line play Cousins created the most time to throw of any QB in the NFL and he wasn't sacked very much or threw many interceptions despite that poor line play.

Two things with this sentence, you admit the QB can make a difference in how an offensive line performs. You then also claim Cousins somehow creates time to throw. How does he do that exactly? Standing like a statue in the exact spot he hit at the back of his drop? Seems legit to me.

Anybody can play this game Stump. You like to cherry pick the stats to support the narrative that Cousins sucks. I can turn them around to make him courageous and great. How about we just stop all this BS.

I am not playing any game. I responded to a poster who said Cousins needed more time to throw by pointing out he had the longest time to throw of ANY QB IN THE NFL IN 2019. Longest time in the pocket, longest time overall. How can a QB not have enough time to throw and also have the most time to throw in the NFL? Combine that with the low sack numbers and you realize the line was not this group of swinging gates that people like to make them out to be. They struggled at times, but they also had the hardest job in the entirety of the NFL blocking for an immobile QB who held the ball longer than any other QB. That is a fact. An indisputable fact that is being disputed because it feels wrong to some people.

[VikingsVictorious]

One person can say he holds the ball too long. Another could say he's showing courage waiting for as long as possible for a receiver to come open.

I prefer Cousins holding the ball waiting to make a play over Bradford getting rid of the ball in 2.2 seconds and going three and out after 3 straight passes for 3 yards, that is for sure.

However, in an ideal world, Cousins in his 8th season would see the field better and be able to make plays in 2.5 seconds on average instead of 3 seconds. Similar to what Brees and Brady do to compensate for their lack of mobility.

Despite poor line play Cousins created the most time to throw of any QB in the NFL and he wasn't sacked very much or threw many interceptions despite that poor line play.

Two things with this sentence, you admit the QB can make a difference in how an offensive line performs. You then also claim Cousins somehow creates time to throw. How does he do that exactly? Standing like a statue in the exact spot he hit at the back of his drop? Seems legit to me.

Anybody can play this game Stump. You like to cherry pick the stats to support the narrative that Cousins sucks. I can turn them around to make him courageous and great. How about we just stop all this BS.

I am not playing any game. I responded to a poster who said Cousins needed more time to throw by pointing out he had the longest time to throw of ANY QB IN THE NFL IN 2019. Longest time in the pocket, longest time overall. How can a QB not have enough time to throw and also have the most time to throw in the NFL? Combine that with the low sack numbers and you realize the line was not this group of swinging gates that people like to make them out to be. They struggled at times, but they also had the hardest job in the entirety of the NFL blocking for an immobile QB who held the ball longer than any other QB. That is a fact. An indisputable fact that is being disputed because it feels wrong to some people.

Falsehoods and conjecture. I didn't say anything about a QB having anything to do with how the line performs. It's possible that he could inspire them to play better or be where he's supposed to be, but when the QB extends the play it doesn't change the lines performance at all. Cousins is not immobile or statue like in any way. He's actually pretty athletic. Yet you declare his statue state as fact. I'm asking you to stop. He's not Case Keenum, Rodgers, or Wilson for extending plays. I get that. The only reasons he had the longest time to throw is because of his courage to wait until the last possible instant to get rid of the ball. At times he did this to a fault. Plus we run a lot of play action and roll outs. Your statements are absolutely disputable. I no longer take your stats as true until I see absolute evidence that they are true.

[Pondering Her Percy]

The offensive line gave the QB the most time to throw in the NFL last season. Brady doesn't require that much time, he gets rid of the ball quickly to compensate for his lack of mobility, and Mahomes has us winning the SB last season behind that line.

There is room to upgrade there, I do think a rookie would struggle behind that line, and clearly it still wasn't good enough for Cousins. It just wasn't so bad Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers or Wilson don't hide some of its flaws better.

Stump continually goes to that BS stat that the line gave Cousins the most time to throw in the NFL last year. They actually didn't do anything close to that. Found this on Twitter.

If you dive deeper into the actually numbers for the OL, which is time he has in the POCKET, which was a rough 2.2, he has those three in roll outs etc which we run a lot to buy him time. 2.2 seconds is the 5th worst in the NFL where the average is 2.6.

It was Cousins on rollouts and bootlegs creating the extra time.

This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along and he refuses to listen. Cousins time to throw numbers increased this year due to the scheme like bootlegs and rollouts like you mentioned.

I’ve brought this stat up many of times and I guess I’ll do it again:

Cousins time to throw the last 4 years:

2016 (Was): 2.8
2017 (Was): 2.7
2018 (Min): 2.7
2019 (Min): 3.0

You’re going to tell me that in his 8th year he randomly decides to start a habit of holding the ball too long? Are you going to tell me that jumping to 3.0 seconds has nothing to do with scheme? Given the amount of rollouts and bootlegs? Come on.

In 2018 deshaun Watson had arguably the worst OL in football but he had over 3 seconds for time to throw. I know what you’re going to say....”well he buys time and scrambles”. Yeah he does. But we all know cousins isn’t a scrambler by any means however, bootlegs and rollouts ARE scrambling or you could say “buying time”. Kubiak and stefanski knew this OL wasn’t very good pass blocking. So this is part of the reason they did what they did.

VV I don’t think you were on here at the time but during the year last year, I took every big play we had off play-action/rollouts/bootlegs and took the time to break down the seconds it took for cousins to throw it by the time he got out of the pocket, finished the roll out, etc. Many of them were over 4 seconds. That right there shows that this number was high this year due to the scheme. And that’s only counting the big plays I broke down. That wasn’t counting shorter throws, incomplete passes, etc off of bootlegs and such.

Also I find it funny that cousins “held the ball longer than any QB” this year but only took 28 sacks. Yet In 2018, he held the ball at league average time and took 40 sacks?? How can you possibly hold the ball longer and take less sacks compared to holding the ball less and taking more sacks?

Time to Throw doesn't paint the whole picture, but I found this interesting...

Kirk Cousins in 2018: 2.74 seconds (QB17)

Kirk Cousins in 2019: 3.02 seconds (QB1)

It’s is a FLAWED stat. And you use it to try and make an argument. There isn’t one. And what’s even worse is you try and sit here and defend this OL. The same line that consists of Elflein and Bradbury who we all know can’t pass block worth a crap, Josh Kline who you consistently say isn’t any good, Riley Reiff who we all know can be a disaster more often than not and O’Neill who is good. You’re defending that. No less you’re defending them on what they were worst at. They were much better run blocking OL than pass blocking. PFF even noted that their ranking was “higher” simply because of their run blocking.

Never have I seen anyone defend this OL in who knows how long. Yet here we sit.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I responded to a poster who said Cousins needed more time to throw by pointing out he had the longest time to throw of ANY QB IN THE NFL IN 2019.

You don’t need to put it in caps. You’ve already said this same line a good 100 times on this board. What you refuse to look at is cousins time to throw on a yearly basis and this scheme.

An indisputable fact that is being disputed because it feels wrong to some people.

It doesn’t “feel wrong” to anyone. It is wrong. A heavy bootleg/rollout/play action scheme like this one calls for more time. The QB is buying that time by rolling out, running a bootleg, etc. No less taking snaps from under center and going into 7 step drops also takes longer than your standard shotgun snap. We were under center 70% of plays this year. That is #1 by a country mile. Closest to us is SF at 57%. It wasn’t even close. No less rolling out to the left we were also #1 on by a country mile. Jared Goff was 2nd and he had half the rollouts cousins had. These are all facts, not feelings

[VikingsVictorious]

I responded to a poster who said Cousins needed more time to throw by pointing out he had the longest time to throw of ANY QB IN THE NFL IN 2019.

You don’t need to put it in caps. You’ve already said this same line a good 100 times on this board. What you refuse to look at is cousins time to throw on a yearly basis and this scheme.

An indisputable fact that is being disputed because it feels wrong to some people.

It doesn’t “feel wrong” to anyone. It is wrong. A heavy bootleg/rollout/play action scheme like this one calls for more time. The QB is buying that time by rolling out, running a bootleg, etc. No less taking snaps from under center and going into 7 step drops also takes longer than your standard shotgun snap. We were under center 70% of plays this year. That is #1 by a country mile. Closest to us is SF at 57%. It wasn’t even close. No less rolling out to the left we were also #1 on by a country mile. Jared Goff was 2nd and he had half the rollouts cousins had. These are all facts, not feelings

Cherry picking stats and twisting them to fit his narrative is how every post that Stump makes appears to me. I agree with Stump that he does sometimes hold the ball too long, but can't fault him too much for hanging in there to buy time for his WRs to get open.

[Bowhunting Viking]

Well, I'm just gonna get back to the fact that Trent Williams is still out there ready to be traded, I know for a fact that he would love to be wearing purple this season, running out onto the Field at the Bank after hearing that incredible Gjallerhorn horn blowing, playing in front of the greatest fan base in the NFL chanting the SKOL chant, and protecting Kirk's mind side again. Leta hope the Browns don't screw that up and we find a way to make it happen. And I doubt right now that he is caring about about finding stats one way or the other trying to prove whether someone feels Kirk hold the ball a second too long on occasion. I am.prettt sure he can tell ya some plays that he was pretty happy at the way Kirk also hung in there and dropped a dime when he was gonna be crushed.
No matter what there are gonna be that certain few who are gonna find their chance to RIP him now matter what he does. Hell I think of he personall.found the cure to the Covid 19 virus there would be a person here who would provide a stat that he held it too long in the lab before he pitched it to a lab tech. Geesh

[StumpHunter]

Stump continually goes to that BS stat that the line gave Cousins the most time to throw in the NFL last year. They actually didn't do anything close to that. Found this on Twitter.

If you dive deeper into the actually numbers for the OL, which is time he has in the POCKET, which was a rough 2.2, he has those three in roll outs etc which we run a lot to buy him time. 2.2 seconds is the 5th worst in the NFL where the average is 2.6.

It was Cousins on rollouts and bootlegs creating the extra time.

This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along and he refuses to listen. Cousins time to throw numbers increased this year due to the scheme like bootlegs and rollouts like you mentioned.

I’ve brought this stat up many of times and I guess I’ll do it again:

Cousins time to throw the last 4 years:

2016 (Was): 2.8
2017 (Was): 2.7
2018 (Min): 2.7
2019 (Min): 3.0

You’re going to tell me that in his 8th year he randomly decides to start a habit of holding the ball too long? Are you going to tell me that jumping to 3.0 seconds has nothing to do with scheme? Given the amount of rollouts and bootlegs? Come on.



VV I don’t think you were on here at the time but during the year last year, I took every big play we had off play-action/rollouts/bootlegs and took the time to break down the seconds it took for cousins to throw it by the time he got out of the pocket, finished the roll out, etc. Many of them were over 4 seconds. That right there shows that this number was high this year due to the scheme. And that’s only counting the big plays I broke down. That wasn’t counting shorter throws, incomplete passes, etc off of bootlegs and such.

Also I find it funny that cousins “held the ball longer than any QB” this year but only took 28 sacks. Yet In 2018, he held the ball at league average time and took 40 sacks?? How can you possibly hold the ball longer and take less sacks compared to holding the ball less and taking more sacks?

Time to Throw doesn't paint the whole picture, but I found this interesting...

Kirk Cousins in 2018: 2.74 seconds (QB17)

Kirk Cousins in 2019: 3.02 seconds (QB1)

It’s is a FLAWED stat. And you use it to try and make an argument. There isn’t one. And what’s even worse is you try and sit here and defend this OL. The same line that consists of Elflein and Bradbury who we all know can’t pass block worth a crap, Josh Kline who you consistently say isn’t any good, Riley Reiff who we all know can be a disaster more often than not and O’Neill who is good. You’re defending that. No less you’re defending them on what they were worst at. They were much better run blocking OL than pass blocking. PFF even noted that their ranking was “higher” simply because of their run blocking.

Never have I seen anyone defend this OL in who knows how long. Yet here we sit.

Uh oh, #2 there. https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/comm ... -fallacies

As for the rest, you are the one who brought up the time in the pocket stat originally, but here you agree with a poster who posted the opposite of what you yourself found, and you agree with them because it suits you now. Perfect.

Cousins' time to throw to throw increased this year because he had more time to throw with an improved Oline. Why is that simple, logical conclusion seem to escape you? 2.74 is not a fast time to throw behind a bad Oline btw. It is fast for Cousins, but it is on the high end for a pure pocket passer with a good line. He takes too long even when his line is struggling, which again, is why he is pressured so much.

In 2018 deshaun Watson had arguably the worst OL in football but he had over 3 seconds for time to throw. I know what you’re going to say....”well he buys time and scrambles”. Yeah he does. But we all know cousins isn’t a scrambler by any means however, bootlegs and rollouts ARE scrambling or you could say “buying time”. Kubiak and stefanski knew this OL wasn’t very good pass blocking. So this is part of the reason they did what they did.

YOUR own stat disproves this. He had the most time in the pocket, not on bootlegs and rollouts. Keep trying though!

[StumpHunter]

Well, I'm just gonna get back to the fact that Trent Williams is still out there ready to be traded, I know for a fact that he would love to be wearing purple this season, running out onto the Field at the Bank after hearing that incredible Gjallerhorn horn blowing, playing in front of the greatest fan base in the NFL chanting the SKOL chant, and protecting Kirk's mind side again. Leta hope the Browns don't screw that up and we find a way to make it happen. And I doubt right now that he is caring about about finding stats one way or the other trying to prove whether someone feels Kirk hold the ball a second too long on occasion. I am.prettt sure he can tell ya some plays that he was pretty happy at the way Kirk also hung in there and dropped a dime when he was gonna be crushed.
No matter what there are gonna be that certain few who are gonna find their chance to RIP him now matter what he does. Hell I think of he personall.found the cure to the Covid 19 virus there would be a person here who would provide a stat that he held it too long in the lab before he pitched it to a lab tech. Geesh

Those were some great .500 years he had with Cousins, no doubt. Williams value as a shutdown LT was really demonstrated when he was blocking for a statue who takes forever to read a defense. I get why he would want that opportunity again.

But no you are right, I should be happy with a QB who's greatest achievement in his 8 year career was making the divisional round. 150 million guaranteed causing us to lose quality players because we can't afford them or because they hate the QB is well worth 10-5, and a divisional round blowout loss.

[Pondering Her Percy]

This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along and he refuses to listen. Cousins time to throw numbers increased this year due to the scheme like bootlegs and rollouts like you mentioned.

I’ve brought this stat up many of times and I guess I’ll do it again:

Cousins time to throw the last 4 years:

2016 (Was): 2.8
2017 (Was): 2.7
2018 (Min): 2.7
2019 (Min): 3.0

You’re going to tell me that in his 8th year he randomly decides to start a habit of holding the ball too long? Are you going to tell me that jumping to 3.0 seconds has nothing to do with scheme? Given the amount of rollouts and bootlegs? Come on.



VV I don’t think you were on here at the time but during the year last year, I took every big play we had off play-action/rollouts/bootlegs and took the time to break down the seconds it took for cousins to throw it by the time he got out of the pocket, finished the roll out, etc. Many of them were over 4 seconds. That right there shows that this number was high this year due to the scheme. And that’s only counting the big plays I broke down. That wasn’t counting shorter throws, incomplete passes, etc off of bootlegs and such.

Also I find it funny that cousins “held the ball longer than any QB” this year but only took 28 sacks. Yet In 2018, he held the ball at league average time and took 40 sacks?? How can you possibly hold the ball longer and take less sacks compared to holding the ball less and taking more sacks?



It’s is a FLAWED stat. And you use it to try and make an argument. There isn’t one. And what’s even worse is you try and sit here and defend this OL. The same line that consists of Elflein and Bradbury who we all know can’t pass block worth a crap, Josh Kline who you consistently say isn’t any good, Riley Reiff who we all know can be a disaster more often than not and O’Neill who is good. You’re defending that. No less you’re defending them on what they were worst at. They were much better run blocking OL than pass blocking. PFF even noted that their ranking was “higher” simply because of their run blocking.

Never have I seen anyone defend this OL in who knows how long. Yet here we sit.

Uh oh, #2 there. https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/comm ... -fallacies

As for the rest, you are the one who brought up the time in the pocket stat originally, but here you agree with a poster who posted the opposite of what you yourself found, and you agree with them because it suits you now. Perfect.

Cousins' time to throw to throw increased this year because he had more time to throw with an improved Oline. Why is that simple, logical conclusion seem to escape you? 2.74 is not a fast time to throw behind a bad Oline btw. It is fast for Cousins, but it is on the high end for a pure pocket passer with a good line. He takes too long even when his line is struggling, which again, is why he is pressured so much.

In 2018 deshaun Watson had arguably the worst OL in football but he had over 3 seconds for time to throw. I know what you’re going to say....”well he buys time and scrambles”. Yeah he does. But we all know cousins isn’t a scrambler by any means however, bootlegs and rollouts ARE scrambling or you could say “buying time”. Kubiak and stefanski knew this OL wasn’t very good pass blocking. So this is part of the reason they did what they did.

YOUR own stat disproves this. He had the most time in the pocket, not on bootlegs and rollouts. Keep trying though!

Not getting into this with you again. Especially given all the sarcasm and egging on. You refuse to look at it any other way than your own. This is a typical on the surface argument. I believe there is way more to it than just a number. You disagree. I don’t care, it’s done an over with and it’s way off this specific topic.

[Bowhunting Viking]

Well, I'm just gonna get back to the fact that Trent Williams is still out there ready to be traded, I know for a fact that he would love to be wearing purple this season, running out onto the Field at the Bank after hearing that incredible Gjallerhorn horn blowing, playing in front of the greatest fan base in the NFL chanting the SKOL chant, and protecting Kirk's mind side again. Leta hope the Browns don't screw that up and we find a way to make it happen. And I doubt right now that he is caring about about finding stats one way or the other trying to prove whether someone feels Kirk hold the ball a second too long on occasion. I am.prettt sure he can tell ya some plays that he was pretty happy at the way Kirk also hung in there and dropped a dime when he was gonna be crushed.
No matter what there are gonna be that certain few who are gonna find their chance to RIP him now matter what he does. Hell I think of he personall.found the cure to the Covid 19 virus there would be a person here who would provide a stat that he held it too long in the lab before he pitched it to a lab tech. Geesh

Those were some great .500 years he had with Cousins, no doubt. Williams value as a shutdown LT was really demonstrated when he was blocking for a statue who takes forever to read a defense. I get why he would want that opportunity again.

But no you are right, I should be happy with a QB who's greatest achievement in his 8 year career was making the divisional round. 150 million guaranteed causing us to lose quality players because we can't afford them or because they hate the QB is well worth 10-5, and a divisional round blowout loss.

Lol go ahead and flame away at me along with others man no problem to me.
I'm in a unique that I actually know and am able have conversations with a guy who played with, blocked for a d snapped the ball.to.Cousins. so is great friends with Williams, is on touch with him and knows what his situation is and where he would like to land. It's just cool that I am.abke tonhear ot first hand.
I know how I feel about it, Nd pretty much everyone here knows of your repeatedly stated smear disdain for all things Cousins, so it's really just status quo. We have all read it so many times that we know where you stand ,.so really no shocker.
So.man it's cool your is your opinion. But I just know dorm talking with a guy who PLAYED with Kirk and is talking to the LT who is REALLY HOPING to be traded to the Vikes and be able to play with Cousins again, and this isn't just opinion from.me, ots coming from the GUYS WHO WERE HIS TEAMMATES, so I think i will base my opinion more on what veteran players who were in the games and huddle with him than one of us regular fans here on the forum
Stickmwith your opinion man that's great. But just because ots yours doesnt mean that we ALL have to agree and feel the same way.
.so we disagree or see it different. That's cool. But ya dont have to always come back.with a back handed personal attack, then try and play the innocent game when called out. Many of us have seen it so many times man.
So just agree that we all have differing feelings and opinions man. Its pretty easy really

[StumpHunter]

Those were some great .500 years he had with Cousins, no doubt. Williams value as a shutdown LT was really demonstrated when he was blocking for a statue who takes forever to read a defense. I get why he would want that opportunity again.

But no you are right, I should be happy with a QB who's greatest achievement in his 8 year career was making the divisional round. 150 million guaranteed causing us to lose quality players because we can't afford them or because they hate the QB is well worth 10-5, and a divisional round blowout loss.

Lol go ahead and flame away at me along with others man no problem to me.
I'm in a unique that I actually know and am able have conversations with a guy who played with, blocked for a d snapped the ball.to.Cousins. so is great friends with Williams, is on touch with him and knows what his situation is and where he would like to land. It's just cool that I am.abke tonhear ot first hand.
I know how I feel about it, Nd pretty much everyone here knows of your repeatedly stated smear disdain for all things Cousins, so it's really just status quo. We have all read it so many times that we know where you stand ,.so really no shocker.
So.man it's cool your is your opinion. But I just know dorm talking with a guy who PLAYED with Kirk and is talking to the LT who is REALLY HOPING to be traded to the Vikes and be able to play with Cousins again, and this isn't just opinion from.me, ots coming from the GUYS WHO WERE HIS TEAMMATES, so I think i will base my opinion more on what veteran players who were in the games and huddle with him than one of us regular fans here on the forum
Stickmwith your opinion man that's great. But just because ots yours doesnt mean that we ALL have to agree and feel the same way.
.so we disagree or see it different. That's cool. But ya dont have to always come back.with a back handed personal attack, then try and play the innocent game when called out. Many of us have seen it so many times man.
So just agree that we all have differing feelings and opinions man. Its pretty easy really

What personal attacks?

You post this:

No matter what there are gonna be that certain few who are gonna find their chance to RIP him now matter what he does. Hell I think of he personall.found the cure to the Covid 19 virus there would be a person here who would provide a stat that he held it too long in the lab before he pitched it to a lab tech. Geesh

Is that fair? Am I ripping the SB MVP who had the best season in the history of the NFL, or am I pointing out flaws in a flawed QB?

If you want to have a good discussion about oline and the Vikings, don't resort to BS arguments that add nothing and are baseless.

[Rhodes Closed]

I find it easier to just put him on ignore and never listen to a word he says, guys.

He's gonna have his head stuck in the sand and have his own opinion anyways.

[Bowhunting Viking]

Lol go ahead and flame away at me along with others man no problem to me.
I'm in a unique that I actually know and am able have conversations with a guy who played with, blocked for a d snapped the ball.to.Cousins. so is great friends with Williams, is on touch with him and knows what his situation is and where he would like to land. It's just cool that I am.abke tonhear ot first hand.
I know how I feel about it, Nd pretty much everyone here knows of your repeatedly stated smear disdain for all things Cousins, so it's really just status quo. We have all read it so many times that we know where you stand ,.so really no shocker.
So.man it's cool your is your opinion. But I just know dorm talking with a guy who PLAYED with Kirk and is talking to the LT who is REALLY HOPING to be traded to the Vikes and be able to play with Cousins again, and this isn't just opinion from.me, ots coming from the GUYS WHO WERE HIS TEAMMATES, so I think i will base my opinion more on what veteran players who were in the games and huddle with him than one of us regular fans here on the forum
Stickmwith your opinion man that's great. But just because ots yours doesnt mean that we ALL have to agree and feel the same way.
.so we disagree or see it different. That's cool. But ya dont have to always come back.with a back handed personal attack, then try and play the innocent game when called out. Many of us have seen it so many times man.
So just agree that we all have differing feelings and opinions man. Its pretty easy really

What personal attacks?

You post this:

No matter what there are gonna be that certain few who are gonna find their chance to RIP him now matter what he does. Hell I think of he personall.found the cure to the Covid 19 virus there would be a person here who would provide a stat that he held it too long in the lab before he pitched it to a lab tech. Geesh

Is that fair? Am I ripping the SB MVP who had the best season in the history of the NFL, or am I pointing out flaws in a flawed QB?

If you want to have a good discussion about oline and the Vikings, don't resort to BS arguments that add nothing and are baseless.

Lol that's funny. I have many great conversations on a variety of topics here. Like I said go ahead and flame away on me all u want.
I have read in the threads, in game chat and in P.M.s from several other members here who have been through it with you so many times, and it is very apparent the way that you will use sarcasm, argumentative comments and excellent use of bashing techniques but always have a way to backpedal and do the What?? What did I so wrong? It's all on you______ ( insert board member here). Lol.
Its actually comedic relief to me because I supervise employees who exhibit the same behavior, know how the others see it and feel about it, and it aligns exactly with the way I see it play out with other members on the board here who tire of it.
So go ahead and give me another reply, cuz I am done now. I have other things to do. Nice day out here so gonna enjoy some outdoor time. Have a good day