Broncos Post Game Thread

[TSonn]

Performing poorly against the top team in the NFC > performing poorly against 3-6 Denver, who were trading their best players away and playing their Back up QB.

Admittedly using a Superbowl victory is probably not the best choice - it just happened to be the biggest comeback win I could remember from those 3 guys. But it does still prove my point - we just remember Brady winning the game, not the struggle in the first half. Brady had a 95 QB rating that game. Atlanta's defense was ranked #27 in the league. Brady threw over 60 times.

Your comment also speaks more to the defense being the biggest red flag. They kept their defense in tact, their offense is terrible though we made them look phenomenal in the first half.

[J. Kapp 11]

Tell you what, guys. I'm checking out for today. I can't deal with this right now.

Talk to you guys later.

[S197]

I used the free play as an example. I can use other examples (and have) but then that will be construed as being overly negative. Also, I don’t see it as hating, I’m just trying to break down the game, which included an absolutely embarrassing 1st half.

Fair enough. But where was Cousins bad in the first half? Seriously.

He was 12-of-14 in the first half. He took what was there. If we're being honest, our playcalling wasn't stellar, and our O-line was stinking up the joint. He did lose the fumble, and that's not something that should happen. I'll give you that. However, it was his first turnover since the Philly game, and that was a doink off Diggs' dome. Beyond that, his last turnover was Week 4 against the Bears.

Defensively, we were terrible in the first half. Offensively, we were also terrible. I agree. But that second half. Just amazing. And that includes the defense. They were gassed on that last drive. Nineteen plays. Yet they stopped the Broncos.

I think he looked tight, especially the first couple of drives. The first drive wasn’t on him, not a fan of a dive play with Ham with our guards. 2nd series I think the throw to Cook, while complete, was a poor choice as Miller read it all the way. A series or two later on 3rd and long, Diggs was in single high coverage and was coming open on the left side. Then he had the missed opportunity on the false start. The fumble I’d put on Reiff because it was a blindside hit.

It could definitely be a case of Zimmer telling him to take the check downs because it seems like he’s very gun shy of throwing into tight windows at times. The two throws by Denver in the first half, one by Kelley and one by Sutton, both super tight windows but big plays. I don’t know that Cousins pulls the trigger on those. So it could be play calling, I think at minimum it certainly didn’t help him.

Cousins has the talent, a 2nd half like that I can’t deny was a brilliant performance. We’ve seen him come out with a chip on his shoulder after being bashed and play great. I think he’s at his best when he’s in his, “You like that?” mode. I’d like to see him have the latitude to play that way out the gate.

[808vikingsfan]

Again, your opinion. I still have my doubts he's turned a corner. Still think he's weak mentally. As good as his 2nd half was, his 1st half was just as bad. And I still think Cook was the reason the Vikings won most of their games.

I want to see a lot more from him before I'd want him for 3 more years and $100M. Imo, I think any decent QB would do well on this team this year.

Where? Other than the fumble, where was his first half that bad?

If you want to engage in a productive conversation, then provide some backing for your statements. They aren't true just because you say they're true. He was 12-of-14 in the half and really didn't have a bad throw or a bad decision. The line was terrible. We had no running game. Again. other than the fumble, which I have acknowledged, where was the bad play by Kirk Cousins?

If you were in the gamechat, i expressed how he wasn't seeing the field well and was checking down on almost everything. Just because he completes a pass, doesn't mean it was a good play. He makes it hard for the offense by shrinking the field. Makes it hard to run , hard to block. He finally took chances in the 2nd and opened up the game. Same vs Dallas, short checkdowns. Just glad the screen was working well last Sunday. Watch the 22 , there are receivers open downfield a lot.

[YikesVikes]

Performing poorly against the top team in the NFC > performing poorly against 3-6 Denver, who were trading their best players away and playing their Back up QB.

Admittedly using a Superbowl victory is probably not the best choice - it just happened to be the biggest comeback win I could remember from those 3 guys. But it does still prove my point - we just remember Brady winning the game, not the struggle in the first half. Brady had a 95 QB rating that game. Atlanta's defense was ranked #27 in the league. Brady threw over 60 times.

Your comment also speaks more to the defense being the biggest red flag. They kept their defense in tact, their offense is terrible though we made them look phenomenal in the first half.

The offense did not have a good game. Their play in the 2nd half was fantastic. The first half was as bad as we were good in the 2nd. I think we had 54 yards combined in the 1st half.
The defense was bad almost the entire game.
Special teams had 2 fumbles.

[The negotiator]

Where? Other than the fumble, where was his first half that bad?

If you want to engage in a productive conversation, then provide some backing for your statements. They aren't true just because you say they're true. He was 12-of-14 in the half and really didn't have a bad throw or a bad decision. The line was terrible. We had no running game. Again. other than the fumble, which I have acknowledged, where was the bad play by Kirk Cousins?

If you were in the gamechat, i expressed how he wasn't seeing the field well and was checking down on almost everything. Just because he completes a pass, doesn't mean it was a good play. He makes it hard for the offense by shrinking the field. Makes it hard to run , hard to block. He finally took chances in the 2nd and opened up the game. Same vs Dallas, short checkdowns. Just glad the screen was working well last Sunday. Watch the 22 , there are receivers open downfield a lot.

If you listened to Cousins in the post game presser, he said he disagreed with some of the play calling. The play calling in the first half was terrible. Denver’s mission was to make sure Cook didn’t beat them. They shut him down. But you look at last weeks game , the Cowboys shut him down for the first half because he was running off tackle. In the second half last week, he ran outside in the second half with great success. You know how many runs to the outside Cook had today. One! Idiot play calling. Cousins is statistically one of the best play action and roll out qb’s in the league. Yet when they did it in the second half, it resulted in two big td’s. I don’t know how much more you can ask from Cousins. I’m not as gracious as Kapp.
While I can appreciate knowledgeable objectively, it’s difficult to want to follow
posters who really are jaded and don’t understand the game. I’m glad a few of you Cousin haters are in the minority. I’m with Kapp. I don’t look that far down the road. Sure, the Vikings have some things they need to clean up, but you can’t make a judgement on where they will be six weeks from now. Maybe they have a shot, who knows.
The problem is, you guys just can’t sit back, have a drink and bask in the thrill of a great freakin win. Too bad. I too am out of here.

[YikesVikes]

If you were in the gamechat, i expressed how he wasn't seeing the field well and was checking down on almost everything. Just because he completes a pass, doesn't mean it was a good play. He makes it hard for the offense by shrinking the field. Makes it hard to run , hard to block. He finally took chances in the 2nd and opened up the game. Same vs Dallas, short checkdowns. Just glad the screen was working well last Sunday. Watch the 22 , there are receivers open downfield a lot.

If you listened to Cousins in the post game presser, he said he disagreed with some of the play calling. The play calling in the first half was terrible. Denver’s mission was to make sure Cook didn’t beat them. They shut him down. But you look at last weeks game , the Cowboys shut him down for the first half because he was running off tackle. In the second half last week, he ran outside in the second half with great success. You know how many runs to the outside Cook had today. One! Idiot play calling. Cousins is statistically one of the best play action and roll out qb’s in the league. Yet when they did it in the second half, it resulted in two big td’s. I don’t know how much more you can ask from Cousins. I’m not as gracious as Kapp.
While I can appreciate knowledgeable objectively, it’s difficult to want to follow
posters who really are jaded and don’t understand the game. I’m glad a few of you Cousin haters are in the minority. I’m with Kapp. I don’t look that far down the road. Sure, the Vikings have some things they need to clean up, but you can’t make a judgement on where they will be six weeks from now. Maybe they have a shot, who knows.
The problem is, you guys just can’t sit back, have a drink and bask in the thrill of a great freakin win. Too bad. I too am out of here.

I think some of us do not equate exciting with great. The two words are not the same. This win was exciting and entertaining. It was not a great win for some of us. The team played disappointingly for much of the game. Its a fine line between looking too far down the road and ignoring the 18 wheeler coming your way.

[CharVike]

I wasn't able to watch the game. But what happened on the D side. Was there certain players that were getting picked on.

No pressure mainly. Dumb penalties. Giving up a lot of 3rd down conversions. The one dude who stood out and was getting curb stomped was rhodes

I have a feeling this is Rhodes last year. That will save some CAP.

[CharVike]

We we shut out in the first half. Can't say anyone had a great game.

Sure you can. Just put one word in front of the other. It's not that hard.

Diggs 5-for-121 and a touch. Not great?
Cousins 133.2 passer rating, 323 yards and 3 TDs. Not great?
Maybe even ... Andrew Sendejo? 7 tackles and a pick. Pretty decent, at least? And hey, he didn't injure any teammates.

Let me ask you something. If this were the Super Bowl and we'd just come from 20 down to win it, would you still say that?

My god, enjoy the damn win.

This wasn't the Super Bowl. They had a joke QB that should have been shut down. If our D plays like this against QB you can forget the Super Bowl. That's what people are talking about and there's nothing wrong with that. This Denver team isn't very good. Regardless of 4th quarter stuff. To me they won the game but I also feel they better look at this D.

[Pondering Her Percy]

If you were in the gamechat, i expressed how he wasn't seeing the field well and was checking down on almost everything. Just because he completes a pass, doesn't mean it was a good play. He makes it hard for the offense by shrinking the field. Makes it hard to run , hard to block. He finally took chances in the 2nd and opened up the game. Same vs Dallas, short checkdowns. Just glad the screen was working well last Sunday. Watch the 22 , there are receivers open downfield a lot.

If you listened to Cousins in the post game presser, he said he disagreed with some of the play calling. The play calling in the first half was terrible. Denver’s mission was to make sure Cook didn’t beat them. They shut him down. But you look at last weeks game , the Cowboys shut him down for the first half because he was running off tackle. In the second half last week, he ran outside in the second half with great success. You know how many runs to the outside Cook had today. One! Idiot play calling. Cousins is statistically one of the best play action and roll out qb’s in the league. Yet when they did it in the second half, it resulted in two big td’s. I don’t know how much more you can ask from Cousins. I’m not as gracious as Kapp.
While I can appreciate knowledgeable objectively, it’s difficult to want to follow
posters who really are jaded and don’t understand the game. I’m glad a few of you Cousin haters are in the minority. I’m with Kapp. I don’t look that far down the road. Sure, the Vikings have some things they need to clean up, but you can’t make a judgement on where they will be six weeks from now. Maybe they have a shot, who knows.
The problem is, you guys just can’t sit back, have a drink and bask in the thrill of a great freakin win. Too bad. I too am out of here.

Again, I was at the game, could see the entire field. Guys weren’t flying down the field wide open while cousins threw check downs. Nobody was there, the play calling was brutal, the defense couldn’t stop them, the Reiff hold cost us points, the OL was getting pushed back consistently.

And guys want to complain about cousins fumble? Oh yeah the fumble where he literally just hit the back of his drop and got killed from his blindside because Reiff was badly burned inside. That fumble? How about keeping a guy off your QBs back for more than 2 seconds Reiff? Cousins didn’t do much in the first half but he also wasn’t the reason we were down 20-0 either. He had points coming that half if Reiff didn’t hold on the deep pass to diggs. That’s him doing his job and someone else failing to do theirs.

But I 100% get why guys are bailing on the board tonight. Instead of being excited and celebrating a great comeback win, you guys are HUNTING for dirt on cousins when it was HIM that pulled us back into that game and won it. Against a TOP 5 defense no less. He literally has proved every single one of you hater/complainers wrong this year. And to be quite honest, none of you can swallow that pill. Not a single one of you. And it’s why you hunt to find little things he does wrong just so you can tell yourself you’re still right.

I remember specifically reading Kapps post when he was giving up on cousins after that Chicago game. I tried to pull him back in but didn’t get far. And since that game, cousins is 6-1 and playing like a top 5 QB. And ya know what, Kapp still had the balls to admit he was wrong, Kapp ate his crow and Kapp is one of the biggest cousins supporters on here right now. There is no reason fans shouldn’t be supporting him. Some of you have a serious problem with swallowing your pride and admitting you were wrong. And this thread shows that. We’re 6 and fricken 1 since week 4 and guys are still complaining. Most guys want to come on here and talk about the win, enjoy the win, celebrate, etc. I know I do, I know Kapp does, I know Bow hunting Viking does, I know guys like negotiator, Dames and Tsonn do. Along with some others (sorry if I missed you). Your guys’ bitc#ing and complaining doesn’t make this board very enjoyable after a game (and you know who you are). You guys are f###ing wrong about Cousins. Eat your crow and quit your bitc#ing.

I’m out as well. Goodnight

[JustSomeGuy]

You're far from the only one who is trashing this team today, so I'll relax when I feel like relaxing. Thanks though.

I happen to think that when a team becomes the first out of 100 in the league this year to come back from a 20-point halftime deficit to win, that's kind of a good thing. Would you rather we'd have lost?

And for the record, I don't care whether this effort will hold up against Seattle. That's two weeks from now. Totally different game. Totally different situation. You can't say we'll do this against Seattle. We might just have the effort we had against Dallas. Or the second half of this game. To win, a team does what it needs to do at the time. The Vikings did that.

Seven weeks ago, 90% of this board wouldn't have predicted 8-3. Yet here we are, in the running for the division and a first-round bye.

And then what? I am not saying that you cant enjoy the win. Please do, it was exciting. However, to blind forget the first half is foolish. It is concerning. Very concerning. With the playoffs being one and done, I hope we fix whatever seems to be wrong. This performance at home against who we played is concerning.

I see no reason at all to be concerned if Joe blindly forgets the first half of the game. Or if you do. Or myself. You might take some reassurance from Zimmer's post game locker room speech though as to whether or not he'll blindly forget it.

https://www.vikings.com/video/zimmer-s- ... he-broncos

[YikesVikes]

If you listened to Cousins in the post game presser, he said he disagreed with some of the play calling. The play calling in the first half was terrible. Denver’s mission was to make sure Cook didn’t beat them. They shut him down. But you look at last weeks game , the Cowboys shut him down for the first half because he was running off tackle. In the second half last week, he ran outside in the second half with great success. You know how many runs to the outside Cook had today. One! Idiot play calling. Cousins is statistically one of the best play action and roll out qb’s in the league. Yet when they did it in the second half, it resulted in two big td’s. I don’t know how much more you can ask from Cousins. I’m not as gracious as Kapp.
While I can appreciate knowledgeable objectively, it’s difficult to want to follow
posters who really are jaded and don’t understand the game. I’m glad a few of you Cousin haters are in the minority. I’m with Kapp. I don’t look that far down the road. Sure, the Vikings have some things they need to clean up, but you can’t make a judgement on where they will be six weeks from now. Maybe they have a shot, who knows.
The problem is, you guys just can’t sit back, have a drink and bask in the thrill of a great freakin win. Too bad. I too am out of here.

Again, I was at the game, could see the entire field. Guys weren’t flying down the field wide open while cousins threw check downs. Nobody was there, the play calling was brutal, the defense couldn’t stop them, the Reiff hold cost us points, the OL was getting pushed back consistently.

And guys want to complain about cousins fumble? Oh yeah the fumble where he literally just hit the back of his drop and got killed from his blindside because Reiff was badly burned inside. That fumble? How about keeping a guy off your QBs back for more than 2 seconds Reiff? Cousins didn’t do much in the first half but he also wasn’t the reason we were down 20-0 either. He had points coming that half if Reiff didn’t hold on the deep pass to diggs. That’s him doing his job and someone else failing to do theirs.

But I 100% get why guys are bailing on the board tonight. Instead of being excited and celebrating a great comeback win, you guys are HUNTING for dirt on cousins when it was HIM that pulled us back into that game and won it. Against a TOP 5 defense no less. He literally has proved every single one of you hater/complainers wrong this year. And to be quite honest, none of you can swallow that pill. Not a single one of you. And it’s why you hunt to find little things he does wrong just so you can tell yourself you’re still right.

I remember specifically reading Kapps post when he was giving up on cousins after that Chicago game. I tried to pull him back in but didn’t get far. And since that game, cousins is 6-1 and playing like a top 5 QB. And ya know what, Kapp still had the balls to admit he was wrong, Kapp ate his crow and Kapp is one of the biggest cousins supporters on here right now. There is no reason fans shouldn’t be supporting him. Some of you have a serious problem with swallowing your pride and admitting you were wrong. And this thread shows that. We’re 6 and fricken 1 since week 4 and guys are still complaining. Most guys want to come on here and talk about the win, enjoy the win, celebrate, etc. I know I do, I know Kapp does, I know Bow hunting Viking does, I know guys like negotiator, Dames and Tsonn do. Along with some others (sorry if I missed you). Your guys’ bitc#ing and complaining doesn’t make this board very enjoyable after a game (and you know who you are). You guys are f###ing wrong about Cousins. Eat your crow and quit your bitc#ing.

I’m out as well. Goodnight

Who is #### about Cousins. Most of the talk I have seen is about the defense. Cousins has been lights out. He is playing very well. This was a bad game, however, for all aspects of the team. Great results, bad game.

[808vikingsfan]

Also have to give props to Kearse today. Made a bunch of game saving plays at the end. Waynes made a few too.

[Texas Vike]

This board is in sad shape.

Today was a damn rollercoaster, but I still wouldn't have expected the in-fighting that I'm seeing here. I think the key is to not police how other posters want to experience their fandom. God knows it's hard to be a Vikings fan. Today gave us ample proof of that fact. Who among us didn't have an elevated heart rate today? That game had everything. I nearly turned it off at halftime. Then, at the end I found myself agonizing during what seemed like the longest, slowest, never-endingest drive of the history of the NFL. I'm super proud of the leaders on this team for turning a miserable situation around. That took heart and it bodes well for the rest of the season. I also completely get why folks are frustrated with that piss-poor first half. That was some of the stinkiest Vikings football I've ever seen. But there were also lots of flukey things--bad fortune and poor officiating--that were bound to even out eventually. Some days the wind blows hard in your face. Today, the Vikings showed a lot of character sticking with it and pulling out the game. I'm concerned about all of the injuries, but very glad to have the bye and to be sitting at 8-3.

[CharVike]

This board is in sad shape.

Today was a damn rollercoaster, but I still wouldn't have expected the in-fighting that I'm seeing here. I think the key is to not police how other posters want to experience their fandom. God knows it's hard to be a Vikings fan. Today gave us ample proof of that fact. Who among us didn't have an elevated heart rate today? That game had everything. I nearly turned it off at halftime. Then, at the end I found myself agonizing during what seemed like the longest, slowest, never-endingest drive of the history of the NFL. I'm super proud of the leaders on this team for turning a miserable situation around. That took heart and it bodes well for the rest of the season. I also completely get why folks are frustrated with that piss-poor first half. That was some of the stinkiest Vikings football I've ever seen. But there were also lots of flukey things--bad fortune and poor officiating--that were bound to even out eventually. Some days the wind blows hard in your face. Today, the Vikings showed a lot of character sticking with it and pulling out the game. I'm concerned about all of the injuries, but very glad to have the bye and to be sitting at 8-3.

You explained that very good. I thought they were dead. 20-0 I was like "I can't believe this." The O did a great job getting this victory. And the D did a great job at the end. They didn't pack it in. You called it character which is correct.