Kirk Cousins is just NOT a big game quarterback

[StumpHunter]

Disagree. I think Thielen was fine to voice his frustrations and I'm glad Cousins apologized. It doesn't show weakness, it shows accountability. Even though it sounds like a broken record at this point, Cousins takes responsibility for his mistakes and I like that about him. I wish he wasn't needing to take responsibility as often as he does, but that's where we're at.

We haven't had much media drama with our team since Zimmer took over, maybe we need some to fire up some guys.

I don't like that Cousins apologized either. While I agree one million percent with what Thielen said, you don't do that in public either. We all know it. We all think it. They need to have that talk in house. By the same token if you're Cousins, don't effing apologize on your damn podcast! That was a joke. And don't apologize at all. I promise you, as backwards as it seems to us regular people, a public apology from a QB to his receiver who blasted him didn't gain him any respect in that locker room. I think Diggs unhappiness and missing practice yesterday is evidence of this.

The bottom line is the only thing that can save this relationship and our season is Cousins balling out. He can only earn trust and respect by playing great football. I'm not convinced he's able to do that but I am convinced that's his only option at this point.

I think Theilen felt the need to speak up because Zimmer coddles the QB and refuses to hammer him when he deserves it. If the HC picks apart everything you do wrong and doesn't really come down on the guy who is the most important part of the team when he plays poorly, that starts to eat a team. There is accountability for everyone but the QB and I think the WRs are getting sick of it.

[CharVike]

This is not what a leader does. Can anybody here imagine Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers apologizing to a wide receiver? It shows how weak Cousins truly is. It appears he's one of those guys you can run over because he'll just take it. Thielen was wrong, and Cousins apologized. Think about that.

Disagree. I think Thielen was fine to voice his frustrations and I'm glad Cousins apologized. It doesn't show weakness, it shows accountability. Even though it sounds like a broken record at this point, Cousins takes responsibility for his mistakes and I like that about him. I wish he wasn't needing to take responsibility as often as he does, but that's where we're at.

We haven't had much media drama with our team since Zimmer took over, maybe we need some to fire up some guys.

If that's all it took was a lashing in public to fire a team up no team will ever have a down game. They will be fired up all the time. When our team played liked crap as an entire group against the Bills last year why didn't someone step up at half time during the half time interview stuff and lash out. We would have been fired up and won. There's internal stuff going on here and non of us know what it is. IMO this dual headed OC we have is stupid. I said that when they did it. Nobody is in charge. It's a cluster F. We should roll this Giant squad and everyone will say we are back. Back to what? Pound a good team first. Make it look easy. For example when the Bears come to us make their D look bad and shut Mack down. Don't let him strip the QB. Then our D needs to stifle this pitiful Bear O. Then they can start talking. But when this stuff is aired publicly more is going on. They are arguing. With who I have no idea. But players are pissed off. Maybe our QB is pissed off because they told him not to throw downfield unless you are 100 % certain nothing bad will happen. I don't know this I'm guessing. But that could be the case.

[vikeinmontana]

I don't like that Cousins apologized either. While I agree one million percent with what Thielen said, you don't do that in public either. We all know it. We all think it. They need to have that talk in house. By the same token if you're Cousins, don't effing apologize on your damn podcast! That was a joke. And don't apologize at all. I promise you, as backwards as it seems to us regular people, a public apology from a QB to his receiver who blasted him didn't gain him any respect in that locker room. I think Diggs unhappiness and missing practice yesterday is evidence of this.

The bottom line is the only thing that can save this relationship and our season is Cousins balling out. He can only earn trust and respect by playing great football. I'm not convinced he's able to do that but I am convinced that's his only option at this point.

I think Theilen felt the need to speak up because Zimmer coddles the QB and refuses to hammer him when he deserves it. If the HC picks apart everything you do wrong and doesn't really come down on the guy who is the most important part of the team when he plays poorly, that starts to eat a team. There is accountability for everyone but the QB and I think the WRs are getting sick of it.

Well, that is pure speculation on our parts because we have no idea what happens in the locker room. I've never seen Zimmer as the coddling type but your guess is as good as mine. And if your guess is correct, like I said I have no problem with what Thielen said. But I don't think any athlete in any sport needs to air that crap publicly. And if I was guessing again like we all have to do all the time, I'd speculate that Thielen wishes he would have kept this in-house too. He just fanned the fire and now that's all everyone gets to talk about this week. We're not playing good enough to deal with stupid drama during the week....

[halfgiz]

Thielen and Cousins in my opinion have been at odds since last season. And it not getting better with us 31th in the league passing.
And now Diggs is unhappy also about something. No chemistry on that side of the ball.

[The negotiator]

Thielen and Cousins in my opinion have been at odds since last season. And it not getting better with us 31th in the league passing.
And now Diggs is unhappy also about something. No chemistry on that side of the ball.

Not true. Cousins and Thieland are very good friends, on and off the field.Thieland is an emotional player, one of the reasons he is an elite receiver.

[VikingLord]

Thielen and Cousins in my opinion have been at odds since last season. And it not getting better with us 31th in the league passing.
And now Diggs is unhappy also about something. No chemistry on that side of the ball.

Not true. Cousins and Thieland are very good friends, on and off the field.Thieland is an emotional player, one of the reasons he is an elite receiver.

Its strange - Thielen was the guy who actually called Cousins out, while Diggs is the guy who is seen as the distraction.

Whatever is going on, the fact that both of them are upset speaks volumes about where the team is right now offensively.

[halfgiz]

Thielen and Cousins in my opinion have been at odds since last season. And it not getting better with us 31th in the league passing.
And now Diggs is unhappy also about something. No chemistry on that side of the ball.

Not true. Cousins and Thieland are very good friends, on and off the field.Thieland is an emotional player, one of the reasons he is an elite receiver.

Will have to disagree...A couple times last season they was in heated discussion on the sideline.
And why is Cousins apologizing to AT last week.
They might be friends but not always on the field.

[The negotiator]

Not true. Cousins and Thieland are very good friends, on and off the field.Thieland is an emotional player, one of the reasons he is an elite receiver.

Its strange - Thielen was the guy who actually called Cousins out, while Diggs is the guy who is seen as the distraction.

Whatever is going on, the fact that both of them are upset speaks volumes about where the team is right now offensively.

Solid truth

[Punkoholic]

If this was posted already I apologize.

https://3downnation.com/2019/10/04/the- ... esota/amp/

Would have been interesting to see how he would do in the NFL. But kind of glad they didn't sign him because he went back to my favorite CFL team and he's the heart and soul of the team.

[PacificNorseWest]

Bo Mitch was a stud at EWU...Zimmer and Spielman have no clue how to evaluate a QB. Those are two separate thoughts.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Bo Mitch was a stud at EWU...Zimmer and Spielman have no clue how to evaluate a QB. Those are two separate thoughts.

If the guy was so good don’t you think he’d have an nfl contract at his point. This sounds like a bunch of pot stirring if you ask me. Maybe it’s Mitchell’s way of getting a shot knowing everyone is down on cousins. Who knows but this news means nothing to me

[The negotiator]

Disagree. I think Thielen was fine to voice his frustrations and I'm glad Cousins apologized. It doesn't show weakness, it shows accountability. Even though it sounds like a broken record at this point, Cousins takes responsibility for his mistakes and I like that about him. I wish he wasn't needing to take responsibility as often as he does, but that's where we're at.

We haven't had much media drama with our team since Zimmer took over, maybe we need some to fire up some guys.

If that's all it took was a lashing in public to fire a team up no team will ever have a down game. They will be fired up all the time. When our team played liked crap as an entire group against the Bills last year why didn't someone step up at half time during the half time interview stuff and lash out. We would have been fired up and won. There's internal stuff going on here and non of us know what it is. IMO this dual headed OC we have is stupid. I said that when they did it. Nobody is in charge. It's a cluster F. We should roll this Giant squad and everyone will say we are back. Back to what? Pound a good team first. Make it look easy. For example when the Bears come to us make their D look bad and shut Mack down. Don't let him strip the QB. Then our D needs to stifle this pitiful Bear O. Then they can start talking. But when this stuff is aired publicly more is going on. They are arguing. With who I have no idea. But players are pissed off. Maybe our QB is pissed off because they told him not to throw downfield unless you are 100 % certain nothing bad will happen. I don't know this I'm guessing. But that could be the case.

Good post!

[Mothman]

Posts deleted. Please be courteous, guys.

[Mothman]

Bo Mitch was a stud at EWU...Zimmer and Spielman have no clue how to evaluate a QB. Those are two separate thoughts.

If the guy was so good don’t you think he’d have an nfl contract at his point.

"If Warren Moon was so good, don’t you think he’d have an NFL contract at this point?".

That's not meant as a dig. I'm just pointing out that the "If the guy was so good" argument doesn't necessarily hold water. Moon played 5 years in the CFL before having a terrific career in the NFL.

Jeff Garcia proved to be a solid NFL starter too and he spent years in the CFL before getting an NFL contract.

NFL teams sometimes overlook good QBs. As many fans know by now, Kurt Warner didn't make an NFL roster and ended up playing in the Arena League for a while before getting another chance and having a Hall of Fame-worthy career.

[S197]

How does Cousins "can't beat good teams" record get reflected today? Giants were 2-2. If he beats them, they're 2-3 and it goes in the "bad team, doesn't count" bucket. If he loses, Giants are 3-2 and it goes in "good team, see Kirk can't win" category.

Seems like a heads I win, tails you lose type situation.

I'm not saying there isn't merit that Cousins struggles against good teams and in big games, he CLEARLY does. I'm just curious how meaningful this stat is as it will always favor one narrative. You will always be -1, against every single team you play, because of this paradox. Potentially -2 against division rivals. Sometimes it doesn't matter (if a team is +2 in wins/losses) but for close to .500 teams, it skews it big time.