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MikethePurple wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:59 am
StumpHunter wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:20 am

Rhodes sucks against Adams and they need to stop letting him cover the guy.

It is odd that he can pretty much shutdown a better receiver in JJ, and then struggle so much against Adams.
You're right in that Rhodes has struggled against Adams historically. I think it's just a bad match up in styles. Adams is a quicker, less physical receiver. Basically the type Rhodes has not had as much success with in the past. He's typically done better with the bigger, more physical corners, ala Jones. It isn't to say Jones isn't fast, but that he has a different style. I remember when Zimmer first took over that they kept talking about the physical attributes that they were looking for in corners, basically to match up against Calvin Johnson, Alshon Jeffrey, Brandon Marshall, etc who were pretty dominant against the Vikings secondary. Essentially bigger, physical receivers. How many times did Vikings corners get beat in those jump balls against bigger receivers before we had Rhodes? I seem to remember a lot.
Couldn't possibly disagree more.

I posted this in the Packers pre-game thread, but it bears repeating here.

Against Rhodes in 2018, Adams caught 8 passes for 64 yards during the first game ... a modest game for Adams. Not only that, Rhodes allowed him ZERO catches in the fourth quarter and overtime. In the second game at US Bank Stadium, Adams had 5 catches for 69 yards. Rhodes did allow a 36-yard completion late in the game to Adams, but then turned around and had a great pass-defended against Adams to force a field goal, and subsequently an onside kick that failed.

In Sunday's game against the Packers, the PROBLEM was that Zimmer didn't initially have Rhodes shadow Adams. The first big play to Adams, the 39-yarder on the game's first play, the Vikings played a straight cover-2 zone. Adams ran through Rhodes' zone and should have been picked up on the back end by the safety, in this case Harrison Smith. Green Bay disguised the play well, and Smith was late getting to the sideline. Go back and watch the replay. Rhodes didn't follow Adams until later in the game, and at that point, Adams' production slowed down.

Historically, it hasn't mattered who Rhodes has covered. Everybody from Julio Jones and A.J. Green on the big end, to Antonio Brown and OBJ on the small end -- Rhodes has shut them all down. Sunday was the first big game Davante Adams has had against us, and again, it's because Rhodes didn't cover him for most of the first half.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again ... Mike Zimmer is a great coach for in-game defensive adjustments. But he sometimes out-thinks himself on game planning. By failing to have Rhodes shadow Jones early in the game, Zimmer opened up a depleted secondary to problems they perhaps could have avoided by simply playing they way he normally plays against Green Bay. From my vantage point, Mike Zimmer tries to devise things to give a different look to a team that's very familiar with the way his defenses play, and sometimes he just gets too cute. The Rams game last year was a perfect example. They'd just played the Rams in 2017, and he tried something that he admitted was an abject failure.

There's nothing wrong with Xavier Rhodes. He's still one of the best CBs in the NFL.
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StumpHunter wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:17 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:06 am

This is very similar to the way I look at it and a good post.

This is where I get embarrassed to be associated with some Viking fans. Some fans are just fricken ruthless going on his social media page. For what? WTF does that accomplish? Guys did it with Walsh, Kalil, Ponder, Bradford and hell....even Thielen when he fumbled that punt vs Dallas a few years ago. His wife posted about how he was receiving death threats. But now, if thielen dropped his pants guys would be on their knees. But at the time, guys were ruthless saying he cost us the game and so on and so forth. Again, what did that accomplish other than making our fan base look pathetic? I honestly feel bad for cousins because he can’t even post a picture of his sons without guys ripping into him. Blair Walsh disabled the comments on his Instagram for a while because of it. Like let the guys live their lives. Your clueless football IQ carries zero weight other than just to tear those guys down. It doesn’t surprise me that guys like Kalil and Walsh never turned it around. We had idiotic fans jumping down their throats if they posted a picture of them getting married for God’s sake. Ponders wife also mentioned him getting death threats. Like some vikings fans are a fricken embarrassment to our fan base. I follow every Vikings player on social media so I happen to see this crap quite often when someone makes mistakes. It makes me want to unfollow them simply because I’m sick of seeing them get ragged on by clueless fans that probably only know their name from playing Madden. If you’re ticked at cousins or any other player, yell at your TV screen. Don’t run to social media and act like a tough guy behind a screen. 99.9% of fans wouldn’t have the balls to say this crap to most of these guys faces. Grow the hell up and let the guys live their lives. He’s not collecting $84 million from you and leaving you in the streets homeless. People get ticked at their teams all the time. ONE fan base a year can be happy at years end. The other 31 have something to complain about. Compain to your friends, tv screen, whatever. Don’t act like a coward and rag on the players behind a screen. You look pathetic.

Like this definitely plays a part in Cousins IMO and it definitely effects him. As it would anyone when it's this constant. Like if Cousins threw that bad INT in the first quarter of the game and our defense collapsed at the end, would guys be going on Griffens social media? Rhodes? Barrs? No. Guys would be saying, "well if Kirk didn't make that throw in the first quarter we would have won". Like could you imagine posting pictures of your kids or you and your wife or you at a charity event and fans are shredding you non-stop in the comments? A few comments here and there is one thing. But the constant threats and verbal abuse would eventually get to any of us. This is what I hate about our fan base (and others). What are you accomplishing? Do you think Kirk is gonna be like "yeah John Doe said I shouldn't throw interceptions on instagram so I'm gonna listen to him"? No! But the constant threat and so on does eventually effect players. If it wasn't effecting Blair Walsh, he would have never disabled commenting on his pictures. I think Kalil did it at one point too. That screams that it's effecting them. I don't think Kirk will ever do it and I honestly wish he did. Fans act like Cousins is the worlds biggest criminal/D-bag on earth because he didn't take us to the SB after getting his contract. Like it's not that fricken easy. You don't just go to a SB because you gain a player or two. You need chemistry and good play from the entire team. Offense, defense, ST, coaching, etc.

Like I don't think anything ticks me off more then when our fans do it to our players. I don't care if it's Kirk Cousins or Christian Ponder. I can tell you it sure doesn't EVER "help" these players play better. If anything, it kills their confidence and can cause them to play worse. And I don't want to hear that he needs to have thicker skin or whatever. This effects a lot of other players other than just Kirk Cousins. A lot of players have been effected by stuff like this. It's cowardly and pathetic. And most of all it's an embarrassment to our fan base.

Side note: Not saying any of you guys on here do this. This is just in general. I'm sure many would agree.
It is the the tiniest percentage of Vikings fans who do that stuff, and our fans are probably better than most team's when it comes to social media posts and fan behavior.

I would hope professional athletes would have a thick enough skin that this tiny percentage of mentally unstable people wouldn't affect them. Sorry, that is isn't fair to people with mental health problems. These are people who never matured past their Junior years of HS.
It's not the tiniest percentage that's what I'm saying. Each instagram post he had, he's getting roughly 1,500 comment and he has 335,000 followers. I can guarantee he's not only getting comments on posts but PMs as well. A good 80% plus of those comments are negative and/or threats. He has 140,000+ followers on facebook, which has been flooded with Cousins haters, comments and I'm sure plenty of PMs. And he has 284,000 followers on Twitter where he's also getting shredded and I'm sure getting PMs. It's actually a huge percentage of Vikings fans.

And the main reason fans resort to this is because it is the only direct way to Kirk Cousins himself. It's their way of reaching out to him and explaining their opinion. Take some time and look at the comments. It's out of control. And like Bowhunting Viking said above, Ponder's wife spoke out regarding it and so did Thielen's. They were not only getting threats through social media but in public as well. So clearly the players are receiving this stuff and clearly it's so out of control that their wives end up speaking out about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Cousins wife hasn't said something yet or will soon.

Our fans are not better than most other fan bases. Anyone that has flopped for this team or been accused of losing a game for the team, have gotten an absurd amount of backlash. I've literally witnessed it with Cousins, Ponder, Walsh, Thielen, Kalil, Carlson, hell...even Vedvik. If it wasn't a "problem" or effecting these players, their wives wouldn't be speaking out. But they did on more than one occasion.

And I said, I don't wanna hear the "thick skin argument". It's a problem. Family members have spoken out about it. That shows it's a problem because it effects the player, their significant others, family, etc. When it starts effecting your family, it becomes a major problem and I'm sure their play is effected in the sense of having immense pressure on their shoulders to perform. Are you gonna tell me Cousins wife is going to the store or out in public and nobody is saying anything to her? They did it with Ponder and Thielen. Why wouldn't they do it with Cousins. It's an embarrassment to our fan base. Fans that are mature, that do support their team and the players, etc. are who they are embarrassing. And trust me, these comments on social media, aren't just HS kids. There are full blown 30-50 year olds commenting just as much or more. It's out of control. No matter what way you look at it.
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J. Kapp 11 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:52 pm

There's nothing wrong with Xavier Rhodes. He's still one of the best CBs in the NFL.
Agreed. Anyone who consistently shuts down guys like Julio, Antonio, etc is one of the best CBs in the league.

Side note: we're heavily pursuing Jalen Ramsey as well. I personally can't stand the guy but he's a stud. Jacksonville wants 2 first rounders. I wouldn't be surprised if we offered Waynes and a first for him. Salary cap is going to be tricky if we pull it off. I personally am a huge fan of Waynes. But I can't imagine we don't send Jacksonville a CB in return and Waynes makes sense given he's in a contract year. But talk about a loaded defensive backfield if we get Ramsey
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:51 pm
J. Kapp 11 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:52 pm

There's nothing wrong with Xavier Rhodes. He's still one of the best CBs in the NFL.
Agreed. Anyone who consistently shuts down guys like Julio, Antonio, etc is one of the best CBs in the league.

Side note: we're heavily pursuing Jalen Ramsey as well. I personally can't stand the guy but he's a stud. Jacksonville wants 2 first rounders. I wouldn't be surprised if we offered Waynes and a first for him. Salary cap is going to be tricky if we pull it off. I personally am a huge fan of Waynes. But I can't imagine we don't send Jacksonville a CB in return and Waynes makes sense given he's in a contract year. But talk about a loaded defensive backfield if we get Ramsey
I can't say if obtaining Ramsey would improve things overall for the Vikings. It might. But worth the king's ransom you're alluding to? Especially if Ramsey starts jabbering here and becomes a malcontent when the Vikings go through a rough patch?

If Ramsey is better than Waynes, it's a marginal difference. And my guess is that in Zimmer's system you won't notice any difference at all.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:51 pm
J. Kapp 11 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:52 pm

There's nothing wrong with Xavier Rhodes. He's still one of the best CBs in the NFL.
Agreed. Anyone who consistently shuts down guys like Julio, Antonio, etc is one of the best CBs in the league.

Side note: we're heavily pursuing Jalen Ramsey as well. I personally can't stand the guy but he's a stud. Jacksonville wants 2 first rounders. I wouldn't be surprised if we offered Waynes and a first for him. Salary cap is going to be tricky if we pull it off. I personally am a huge fan of Waynes. But I can't imagine we don't send Jacksonville a CB in return and Waynes makes sense given he's in a contract year. But talk about a loaded defensive backfield if we get Ramsey
If we offer a first for him Rick should be fired on the spot.

Teams with questions about the future of the QB position cannot trade the best asset for acquiring a good QB.

Even if Cousins turns things around there are no guarantees he is our QB in 2021. Especially considering our fans are so awful to him.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:46 pm
StumpHunter wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:17 am

It is the the tiniest percentage of Vikings fans who do that stuff, and our fans are probably better than most team's when it comes to social media posts and fan behavior.

I would hope professional athletes would have a thick enough skin that this tiny percentage of mentally unstable people wouldn't affect them. Sorry, that is isn't fair to people with mental health problems. These are people who never matured past their Junior years of HS.
It's not the tiniest percentage that's what I'm saying. Each instagram post he had, he's getting roughly 1,500 comment and he has 335,000 followers. I can guarantee he's not only getting comments on posts but PMs as well. A good 80% plus of those comments are negative and/or threats. He has 140,000+ followers on facebook, which has been flooded with Cousins haters, comments and I'm sure plenty of PMs. And he has 284,000 followers on Twitter where he's also getting shredded and I'm sure getting PMs. It's actually a huge percentage of Vikings fans.

And the main reason fans resort to this is because it is the only direct way to Kirk Cousins himself. It's their way of reaching out to him and explaining their opinion. Take some time and look at the comments. It's out of control. And like Bowhunting Viking said above, Ponder's wife spoke out regarding it and so did Thielen's. They were not only getting threats through social media but in public as well. So clearly the players are receiving this stuff and clearly it's so out of control that their wives end up speaking out about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Cousins wife hasn't said something yet or will soon.

Our fans are not better than most other fan bases. Anyone that has flopped for this team or been accused of losing a game for the team, have gotten an absurd amount of backlash. I've literally witnessed it with Cousins, Ponder, Walsh, Thielen, Kalil, Carlson, hell...even Vedvik. If it wasn't a "problem" or effecting these players, their wives wouldn't be speaking out. But they did on more than one occasion.

And I said, I don't wanna hear the "thick skin argument". It's a problem. Family members have spoken out about it. That shows it's a problem because it effects the player, their significant others, family, etc. When it starts effecting your family, it becomes a major problem and I'm sure their play is effected in the sense of having immense pressure on their shoulders to perform. Are you gonna tell me Cousins wife is going to the store or out in public and nobody is saying anything to her? They did it with Ponder and Thielen. Why wouldn't they do it with Cousins. It's an embarrassment to our fan base. Fans that are mature, that do support their team and the players, etc. are who they are embarrassing. And trust me, these comments on social media, aren't just HS kids. There are full blown 30-50 year olds commenting just as much or more. It's out of control. No matter what way you look at it.
I would never pester a public person via social media positive or negative, but he should probably take it upon himself to get off of twitter, FB, etc.
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fiestavike wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:08 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:46 pm

It's not the tiniest percentage that's what I'm saying. Each instagram post he had, he's getting roughly 1,500 comment and he has 335,000 followers. I can guarantee he's not only getting comments on posts but PMs as well. A good 80% plus of those comments are negative and/or threats. He has 140,000+ followers on facebook, which has been flooded with Cousins haters, comments and I'm sure plenty of PMs. And he has 284,000 followers on Twitter where he's also getting shredded and I'm sure getting PMs. It's actually a huge percentage of Vikings fans.

And the main reason fans resort to this is because it is the only direct way to Kirk Cousins himself. It's their way of reaching out to him and explaining their opinion. Take some time and look at the comments. It's out of control. And like Bowhunting Viking said above, Ponder's wife spoke out regarding it and so did Thielen's. They were not only getting threats through social media but in public as well. So clearly the players are receiving this stuff and clearly it's so out of control that their wives end up speaking out about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Cousins wife hasn't said something yet or will soon.

Our fans are not better than most other fan bases. Anyone that has flopped for this team or been accused of losing a game for the team, have gotten an absurd amount of backlash. I've literally witnessed it with Cousins, Ponder, Walsh, Thielen, Kalil, Carlson, hell...even Vedvik. If it wasn't a "problem" or effecting these players, their wives wouldn't be speaking out. But they did on more than one occasion.

And I said, I don't wanna hear the "thick skin argument". It's a problem. Family members have spoken out about it. That shows it's a problem because it effects the player, their significant others, family, etc. When it starts effecting your family, it becomes a major problem and I'm sure their play is effected in the sense of having immense pressure on their shoulders to perform. Are you gonna tell me Cousins wife is going to the store or out in public and nobody is saying anything to her? They did it with Ponder and Thielen. Why wouldn't they do it with Cousins. It's an embarrassment to our fan base. Fans that are mature, that do support their team and the players, etc. are who they are embarrassing. And trust me, these comments on social media, aren't just HS kids. There are full blown 30-50 year olds commenting just as much or more. It's out of control. No matter what way you look at it.
I would never pester a public person via social media positive or negative, but he should probably take it upon himself to get off of twitter, FB, etc.
I thought the same. Or at least disable comments. Idk. Fans like that just really tick me off regardless. It’s such a puss# move and accomplishes nothing other than embarrassing our fan base
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As for Ramsey, it sounds great and all but I’d rather just keep Waynes. Waynes isn’t as good as Ramsey but he’s good. And he’s an elite run stopper. Plus we keep first round picks and save money. I hope they give waynes a contract because I think he’s gotten pretty darn good the past few years. Ramsey and Rhodes does sound awfully good on paper though.
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I would love to have Ramsey in our secondary for his takent and skill set.
I DON'T want Ramsey in our secondary due the price it we would have to give up to get him and the effect it would have on the future.
But mostly, I don't want that type of personality on our team. In my opinion we have a very talented, but pretty humble roster. I just cant stand the guys who are constantly chirping in the media, wanting all the media attention on them, constantly calling out opponents and showing that its " all about me" mentality. That's why I absolutely love guys like Harry the Hit Man. The dude is a beast, goes out and plays his #### off, but never draws attention to himself, and actually tries to shunt the spotlight as much as possible.
Diggs is prob about the most animated player we have, but it's not disrespectful or showboating, it passion for the game. Even though the helmet penalty was dumb, it wasn't like he is a big showboat all the time.
As mentioned, if Rick gives up what the Jags are asking for Ramsey to bring in a guy who could bring in the disruption that he is capable of to a very good core group of players like this team has, I agree he should be gone.
I just cant see him or Zim wanting that type or personality in our locker room.
Just my opinion, and mine only.
Sometimes I would rather have guy a little less talented with great character and attitude than a superstar who can be a disruptive force.
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StumpHunter wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:32 pm
VikingLord wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:45 am

It just shouldn't come down to Cousins. The 2019 Vikings aren't a team built to live or die on the QB. This is a team with a veteran defense, with most of the starters having been with each other now for what, the 3rd year running? Many of the defensive starters are very well paid. The head coach is known as a defensive guru. This is a defense that should be in the top 10 minimum against both the run and pass, and I would say top five overall. This is a defense that shouldn't be giving up TDs on 3 drives in a row to open a game in any stadium or situation against any offense. This is a defense the Vikings should expect can hold scores down so the offense can play the way it needs to play to win.

Cousins blew it. He knows that. It shouldn't come down to him, though.
It only came down to Cousins because he was so bad it made winning with him next to impossible. It wasn't like the defense gave up 30 points, they gave up 14 that weren't a result of turnovers. On offense, the run game was going strong and moving the ball in spite of the QB.

The Vikings did not ask a lot of Cousins Sunday, and he still managed to lose us the football game.
They asked Cousins to make a play to win the game. Whats that. Why not ask Cook to win it for us? Things broke across the board. What could go wrong did go wrong. Even the refs stuck it to us. Blame the guys like Diggs that were called for the PI. Right now the Pack are in the fight because they have a QB. And this Bear team has a great D but nothing at QB. Put Cousins on the Bears and they are a better team.
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Cousins is doing ok today. Still too much passing. But this Raider team blows. Even our D looks dominate. Why didn't they do that last week. Maybe because the Pack have a QB? Now our OC needs to just hand it off. We scored enough already. But that idiot will keep putting it up. No thrill in this game. Raiders are rolling over.
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There's a lot of emulation with Seattle's offense last year. It's run 1st football with a QB that is capable of making plays and extending drives. I'm not saying Cousins is on par with Wilson, just that the overall strategy is similar. I'm hopeful that if Cousins can see he has a running game and defense to back him up, he won't force so many throws and make careless errors. He doesn't have the same weight on his shoulders here as in Washington and needs to adjust his game accordingly.
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S197 wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:22 pm There's a lot of emulation with Seattle's offense last year. It's run 1st football with a QB that is capable of making plays and extending drives. I'm not saying Cousins is on par with Wilson, just that the overall strategy is similar. I'm hopeful that if Cousins can see he has a running game and defense to back him up, he won't force so many throws and make careless errors. He doesn't have the same weight on his shoulders here as in Washington and needs to adjust his game accordingly.
Wilson won a Super Bowl. IMO he played on a team with one of the most dominating defenses in NFL history. The LOB. I already pointed that out in another thread. The LOB won the Super Bowl but Wilson gets all the credit which is BS. They should have won another but Wilson, like Cousins did, threw an interception in the end zone to Butler and they lost. But the LOB got them there. Since no LOB no Super Bowl with Wilson. Why is that? If our team played D like the LOB we would have beat the Pack easily last week. We would have a chance at the Super Bowl with the LOB defense even with loser Cousins. Basically what your saying is Cousins is calling the plays. I doubt that's true. If it is he shouldn't be after what he did last week. He was looking for the TD pass instead of the win. That's not good IMO.
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CharVike wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:12 pm
S197 wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:22 pm There's a lot of emulation with Seattle's offense last year. It's run 1st football with a QB that is capable of making plays and extending drives. I'm not saying Cousins is on par with Wilson, just that the overall strategy is similar. I'm hopeful that if Cousins can see he has a running game and defense to back him up, he won't force so many throws and make careless errors. He doesn't have the same weight on his shoulders here as in Washington and needs to adjust his game accordingly.
Wilson won a Super Bowl. IMO he played on a team with one of the most dominating defenses in NFL history. The LOB. I already pointed that out in another thread. The LOB won the Super Bowl but Wilson gets all the credit which is BS. They should have won another but Wilson, like Cousins did, threw an interception in the end zone to Butler and they lost. But the LOB got them there. Since no LOB no Super Bowl with Wilson. Why is that? If our team played D like the LOB we would have beat the Pack easily last week. We would have a chance at the Super Bowl with the LOB defense even with loser Cousins. Basically what your saying is Cousins is calling the plays. I doubt that's true. If it is he shouldn't be after what he did last week. He was looking for the TD pass instead of the win. That's not good IMO.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing up the LOB when I clearly said Seattle’s offense last year. I don’t really understand the “Cousins is calling the plays” comment either. All I’m saying is the offensive philosophy is entirely different this year and Kirk has guys around him where he doesn’t have to force throws like the interception against GB.

The comparison to Wilson is simply both teams are going to pound the football and neither will likely have a good outcome throwing 50 times a game. Wilson is clearly the better QB but there’s still a lot of similarities scheme wise in terms of what they want to do and what they need their QB to do to be successful.
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S197 wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:32 pm
CharVike wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:12 pm
Wilson won a Super Bowl. IMO he played on a team with one of the most dominating defenses in NFL history. The LOB. I already pointed that out in another thread. The LOB won the Super Bowl but Wilson gets all the credit which is BS. They should have won another but Wilson, like Cousins did, threw an interception in the end zone to Butler and they lost. But the LOB got them there. Since no LOB no Super Bowl with Wilson. Why is that? If our team played D like the LOB we would have beat the Pack easily last week. We would have a chance at the Super Bowl with the LOB defense even with loser Cousins. Basically what your saying is Cousins is calling the plays. I doubt that's true. If it is he shouldn't be after what he did last week. He was looking for the TD pass instead of the win. That's not good IMO.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing up the LOB when I clearly said Seattle’s offense last year. I don’t really understand the “Cousins is calling the plays” comment either. All I’m saying is the offensive philosophy is entirely different this year and Kirk has guys around him where he doesn’t have to force throws like the interception against GB.

The comparison to Wilson is simply both teams are going to pound the football and neither will likely have a good outcome throwing 50 times a game. Wilson is clearly the better QB but there’s still a lot of similarities scheme wise in terms of what they want to do and what they need their QB to do to be successful.
I miss understood you then. We beat a joke today which is a good thing. Next is at the Bears. Hopefully we pound the ball and play some D.
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