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Sure does. Wow!J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:03 pm Here's a stat I just found, per Pro Football Focus.
Since the start of the 2017 season, Cousins has the lowest quarterback rating in the NFL when inside the opponents’ 10-yard line. He’s completing less than 45 percent of his passes and is averaging 1.6 yards per attempt.
That says a lot, doesn't it?
Yikes Vikes.. first of all I would like to apologize again to you for the smart #### post last wk in the one thread where things were getting heated between several ppl. I hope for you that u can accept it and chalk it up to a an early morning, no sleep blunder on my part. So again, sorry man.YikesVikes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:56 pm I personally think that Kirk Cousins is broken. Some how we have broken this mans confidence. When I look at him, I dont see a guy that believes in himself. I see a guy trying not to make a mistake. Listening to him, he isnt a guy I would run through a wall for. He is a nice guy and a decent QB but I strongly believe that all the ridicule he was gotten for having a simple contract has gotten to him. I think Zimmer had gotten to him. I dont believe he thinks, he is the best player on the field. He is a guy acting a part. He is broken.
Sorry, but the discussion is appropriate. It isn't like the guy loses all his ability any time a team shows up with a winning record. The question implied is why does he lose vs. quality opposition. I think one thread of thinking, albeit one no one wants to hear, is that it isn't just his fault. Case in point the 1Q Vikings Defense last Sunday. And yes it is the execution. Whether it is Cousins or some other part of the team or the coaching staff drafting a bad plan. Someone is getting beat somewhere.VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:24 pm The name of this thread isn't 'Kirk Cousins is NOT a good quarterback". He can make all the throws. He can make the plays. And there are games when he does. But there are also games, and it seems that's it's becoming obvious that they are usually important games, where he doesn't. In the history of football, there have always been those types that can look great UNTIL the big game.
It's not the execution. Like many point out, maybe receivers are running bad routes; maybe the OL isn't providing protection; maybe the refs are making awful calls...it doesn't matter. Because in a big game when none of that is true; when everyone around him is playing near perfectly, he will falter.
What completely blows me away is this: I never took a snap in the pros, nor in college, nor in high school. The only time I ever took a snap was playing back yard football, YET if I had been shoved into the game on Sunday on the 1st down play, and the call from the sidelines was a pass, I would know in the huddle, and when I lined up behind center, that unless there was a receiver WIDE open, I'm throwing the ball away. If I get any pressure, I'm throwing the ball away. So how is it that "non-football playing me" knows this, but an experienced NFL QB doesn't? Winners know when NOT to take sacks. Winners know when NOT to try and force a throw. Losers do it time after time after time. Thus they will never take their team to the big game. They just become a QB with great stats every year that watch the playoffs on TV.
No worries. I apologize for my behaviour too. To be honest, I don't follow the usernames in threads for a reason. I like to view each thread as it's individual universe. Lol. I have zero memories about who I argued with and I start over fresh each topic. Except for Ponder. We fuss and the make up all the time. We are all fans of the same team and we are passionate about our team. Passion often goes askew.Bowhunting Viking wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:54 amYikes Vikes.. first of all I would like to apologize again to you for the smart #### post last wk in the one thread where things were getting heated between several ppl. I hope for you that u can accept it and chalk it up to a an early morning, no sleep blunder on my part. So again, sorry man.YikesVikes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:56 pm I personally think that Kirk Cousins is broken. Some how we have broken this mans confidence. When I look at him, I dont see a guy that believes in himself. I see a guy trying not to make a mistake. Listening to him, he isnt a guy I would run through a wall for. He is a nice guy and a decent QB but I strongly believe that all the ridicule he was gotten for having a simple contract has gotten to him. I think Zimmer had gotten to him. I dont believe he thinks, he is the best player on the field. He is a guy acting a part. He is broken.
Now this post you made is EXCELLENT!. Over the past day ( actually for a while) , and after watching Cousins post game presser I am starting to feel the exact same way.
I think 1st off the "CONTRACT" , the fact that fans, all the media and everyone pretty much had us already being the 1st team to win a SB in their own stadium as soon as he signed on the dotted line put a ton of expectations on his shoulders.
Then the year that he was to get us to the promised land, we didnt even make the playoffs. So the media and the fan base started the doubting and bashing. I know personally from talking to his former teammate that truly he is a great guy who wants to be a pleaser, if ya know what I mean. You can just see it in his demeanor in interviews. I will say the guy honestly does stand up and take the ownership of his failures, unlike Big Ben who throws everyone else under the bus.
Plus the players all talk about how Zim is a VERY tough love coach. Maybe he does get into his head, only Kirk can answer that.
But I kinda think the way you do now. It's like he feels that ALL the Vikings success and failures fall on his shoulders and his psyche is being destroyed.
Good assessment man. You may have hit the nail on the head. Let's just hope he can get rolling, get confident and stop feeling it's all on him and rely on all the talent around him.
I'm not gonna panic yet. Plenty of season left to turn this around.
Cool thanks for that. I agree about the contract. I know it was the 1st fully guaranteed, but as u said he isn't even the highest paid anymore. Usually when a guy becomes The Highest Paid at his position, within a few months someone surpasses that contract. Just hoping he gets on a hot streak and gains confidence, and this team plays to the ability they are capable of.YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 amNo worries. I apologize for my behaviour too. To be honest, I don't follow the usernames in threads for a reason. I like to view each thread as it's individual universe. Lol. I have zero memories about who I argued with and I start over fresh each topic. Except for Ponder. We fuss and the make up all the time. We are all fans of the same team and we are passionate about our team. Passion often goes askew.Bowhunting Viking wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:54 am
Yikes Vikes.. first of all I would like to apologize again to you for the smart #### post last wk in the one thread where things were getting heated between several ppl. I hope for you that u can accept it and chalk it up to a an early morning, no sleep blunder on my part. So again, sorry man.
Now this post you made is EXCELLENT!. Over the past day ( actually for a while) , and after watching Cousins post game presser I am starting to feel the exact same way.
I think 1st off the "CONTRACT" , the fact that fans, all the media and everyone pretty much had us already being the 1st team to win a SB in their own stadium as soon as he signed on the dotted line put a ton of expectations on his shoulders.
Then the year that he was to get us to the promised land, we didnt even make the playoffs. So the media and the fan base started the doubting and bashing. I know personally from talking to his former teammate that truly he is a great guy who wants to be a pleaser, if ya know what I mean. You can just see it in his demeanor in interviews. I will say the guy honestly does stand up and take the ownership of his failures, unlike Big Ben who throws everyone else under the bus.
Plus the players all talk about how Zim is a VERY tough love coach. Maybe he does get into his head, only Kirk can answer that.
But I kinda think the way you do now. It's like he feels that ALL the Vikings success and failures fall on his shoulders and his psyche is being destroyed.
Good assessment man. You may have hit the nail on the head. Let's just hope he can get rolling, get confident and stop feeling it's all on him and rely on all the talent around him.
I'm not gonna panic yet. Plenty of season left to turn this around.
As for this thread. I never understood why the media talked/talks about his contract like he is getting 84 million a year. His guarantee money isn't even the most anymore, not is his annual but they keep riding him like it's some ridiculously big contract. I never hear Jimmy Gs contract brought up or Ryan's or Stafford. Only Kirk's.
Ryan and Stafford are a bit different than Cousins, since they signed with the team that drafted them. Even if contracts are identical, the mercenary QB's contract will always be perceived differently than the guy who stayed with his team.YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 amNo worries. I apologize for my behaviour too. To be honest, I don't follow the usernames in threads for a reason. I like to view each thread as it's individual universe. Lol. I have zero memories about who I argued with and I start over fresh each topic. Except for Ponder. We fuss and the make up all the time. We are all fans of the same team and we are passionate about our team. Passion often goes askew.Bowhunting Viking wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:54 am
Yikes Vikes.. first of all I would like to apologize again to you for the smart #### post last wk in the one thread where things were getting heated between several ppl. I hope for you that u can accept it and chalk it up to a an early morning, no sleep blunder on my part. So again, sorry man.
Now this post you made is EXCELLENT!. Over the past day ( actually for a while) , and after watching Cousins post game presser I am starting to feel the exact same way.
I think 1st off the "CONTRACT" , the fact that fans, all the media and everyone pretty much had us already being the 1st team to win a SB in their own stadium as soon as he signed on the dotted line put a ton of expectations on his shoulders.
Then the year that he was to get us to the promised land, we didnt even make the playoffs. So the media and the fan base started the doubting and bashing. I know personally from talking to his former teammate that truly he is a great guy who wants to be a pleaser, if ya know what I mean. You can just see it in his demeanor in interviews. I will say the guy honestly does stand up and take the ownership of his failures, unlike Big Ben who throws everyone else under the bus.
Plus the players all talk about how Zim is a VERY tough love coach. Maybe he does get into his head, only Kirk can answer that.
But I kinda think the way you do now. It's like he feels that ALL the Vikings success and failures fall on his shoulders and his psyche is being destroyed.
Good assessment man. You may have hit the nail on the head. Let's just hope he can get rolling, get confident and stop feeling it's all on him and rely on all the talent around him.
I'm not gonna panic yet. Plenty of season left to turn this around.
As for this thread. I never understood why the media talked/talks about his contract like he is getting 84 million a year. His guarantee money isn't even the most anymore, not is his annual but they keep riding him like it's some ridiculously big contract. I never hear Jimmy Gs contract brought up or Ryan's or Stafford. Only Kirk's.
I don't feel this is Cousin's worst game in purple, because as a whole, this game wasn't as bad to me as ones where his offense couldn't break double digits until the team was down multiple scores with 3 minutes left in the 4th. That to me is more egregious than the multiple turnovers, since you are more likely to win scoring 16 and turning it over 3 times than scoring 7 and not turning it over at all. Not a lot more likely, but more likely.VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:14 pmSuggest something.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:24 pm I also don't feel comfortable lying and saying it wasn't 95% Cousins fault we lost to the Packers because the defense gave up a below average number of points and rushing yards to the Bears. If you want to change the wager to something I am willing to do, I am game though.
I say this is a 3 quarter defense, and against quality opposition they will have at least one quarter or the equivalent of folding and/or outright failure.
Any wager to that effect is fine by me. If you want to make it the whole season, I'm fine with that. I won't wager you on total points/yards or anything that tends to smooth over the impact of that quarter+ of failure. If Cousins is going to be held to the fire for every mistake he makes regardless of the circumstance he's put in, the defense has to be as well.
No way Jimmys was mentioned like Cousins. It's all the still talk about.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:18 amRyan and Stafford are a bit different than Cousins, since they signed with the team that drafted them. Even if contracts are identical, the mercenary QB's contract will always be perceived differently than the guy who stayed with his team.YikesVikes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 am
No worries. I apologize for my behaviour too. To be honest, I don't follow the usernames in threads for a reason. I like to view each thread as it's individual universe. Lol. I have zero memories about who I argued with and I start over fresh each topic. Except for Ponder. We fuss and the make up all the time. We are all fans of the same team and we are passionate about our team. Passion often goes askew.
As for this thread. I never understood why the media talked/talks about his contract like he is getting 84 million a year. His guarantee money isn't even the most anymore, not is his annual but they keep riding him like it's some ridiculously big contract. I never hear Jimmy Gs contract brought up or Ryan's or Stafford. Only Kirk's.
That is why Cousins and Jimmy G's contracts are brought up more, and yes, the media ripped Jimmy G's contract just as much as Cousins last year and they will rip it just as much this year if Jimmy G goes 8-8. Conversely, if Cousins wins 11 and takes the Vikings far in the playoffs, his contract won't be brought up much at all, if ever.
I still don't understand why you apportion so much responsibility for the outcome to Cousins while ignoring the contributions of the defense, special teams, and questionable calls by the refs in this most recent loss.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:44 am I don't feel this is Cousin's worst game in purple, because as a whole, this game wasn't as bad to me as ones where his offense couldn't break double digits until the team was down multiple scores with 3 minutes left in the 4th. That to me is more egregious than the multiple turnovers, since you are more likely to win scoring 16 and turning it over 3 times than scoring 7 and not turning it over at all. Not a lot more likely, but more likely.
In other words, it isn't the individual mistakes he is making that bother me the most, it is his poor offensive production overall against most of the good teams we played last season. I could forgive the turnovers if we were scoring 30 points a game. I can't forgive them when we are averaging 10 before garbage time.
It wasn't just "better", it was shutdown defense. If Cousins sucks for a quarter, and then plays at an elite level(stopping Rodgers for 3 qrters is elite) for 3, would it be fair for me to rip him after we lose 38 to 42? Or would that seem like I was trying to deflect blame from the defense that would have absolutely lost us that game?VikingLord wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:24 pmI still don't understand why you apportion so much responsibility for the outcome to Cousins while ignoring the contributions of the defense, special teams, and questionable calls by the refs in this most recent loss.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:44 am I don't feel this is Cousin's worst game in purple, because as a whole, this game wasn't as bad to me as ones where his offense couldn't break double digits until the team was down multiple scores with 3 minutes left in the 4th. That to me is more egregious than the multiple turnovers, since you are more likely to win scoring 16 and turning it over 3 times than scoring 7 and not turning it over at all. Not a lot more likely, but more likely.
In other words, it isn't the individual mistakes he is making that bother me the most, it is his poor offensive production overall against most of the good teams we played last season. I could forgive the turnovers if we were scoring 30 points a game. I can't forgive them when we are averaging 10 before garbage time.
Did Cousins contribute to the loss? Sure he did.
Was he 95% responsible for it?
Inquiring minds want to know how that perspective can be considered reasonable, because it's just not.
I'm not sure that you said that, but based on yours and comments of others, it sure seems like the defense is getting a pass (again) for an outcome they contributed to just because they "made up for it" by playing better for the final 45 minutes of the game.
Rodgers had a field day? He had 200 yards. Gb didnt do #### past that first quarterCharVike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:21 am Sloter can't take a snap in a real game. The biggest problem is we have no developmental guy at this point. Nothing. Plus this D isn't good enough. Rodgers had a field day. You can't let the home team jump up like they did. Stuff him right from the start. He had all day to throw the ball. Yes some sacks late but who cares. Drive 1 is when the sacks needed to happen. Turn the lights off. Let him know it will be a long day. The D isn't a big game D either. They will stuff a crap team but who cares. Another worry is the Lions look to be at least trying. They could beat us.
He completed 64% of his passes for 200 yards, 2 TDs, and a 101.2 QB rating. I'd be *thrilled* if those were our QBs stats from that game instead. He didn't do anything later in the game because he didn't have to. I guess GreenBay could have kept him passing if they wanted to see more yards but Aaron Jones was averaging 5 yards a carry so what's the point?Boon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:59 pmRodgers had a field day? He had 200 yards. Gb didnt do #### past that first quarterCharVike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:21 am Sloter can't take a snap in a real game. The biggest problem is we have no developmental guy at this point. Nothing. Plus this D isn't good enough. Rodgers had a field day. You can't let the home team jump up like they did. Stuff him right from the start. He had all day to throw the ball. Yes some sacks late but who cares. Drive 1 is when the sacks needed to happen. Turn the lights off. Let him know it will be a long day. The D isn't a big game D either. They will stuff a crap team but who cares. Another worry is the Lions look to be at least trying. They could beat us.
Scoring?Cliff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:07 pmHe completed 64% of his passes for 200 yards, 2 TDs, and a 101.2 QB rating. I'd be *thrilled* if those were our QBs stats from that game instead. He didn't do anything later in the game because he didn't have to. I guess GreenBay could have kept him passing if they wanted to see more yards but Aaron Jones was averaging 5 yards a carry so what's the point?
He put up 21 points at the snap of a finger. They stopped. Just as we did against the Falcons. What do you need 60 points before it's a field day. 500 yards passing? The guy was averaging over 10 yards an attempt then backed off. He was laughing. To me that's ripping a team up but maybe to you that's average play. He also had all day to throw. That's what I saw. But I guess we stuffed him once the game was over. We also needed to stop them at the end and couldn't. That tells nothing? But they didn't nothing past the 1st quarter.Boon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:59 pmRodgers had a field day? He had 200 yards. Gb didnt do #### past that first quarterCharVike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:21 am Sloter can't take a snap in a real game. The biggest problem is we have no developmental guy at this point. Nothing. Plus this D isn't good enough. Rodgers had a field day. You can't let the home team jump up like they did. Stuff him right from the start. He had all day to throw the ball. Yes some sacks late but who cares. Drive 1 is when the sacks needed to happen. Turn the lights off. Let him know it will be a long day. The D isn't a big game D either. They will stuff a crap team but who cares. Another worry is the Lions look to be at least trying. They could beat us.
