Wow elite? Those are some big words for a guy that played poorly last year. Granted the foot injury didnt help but still. I'm not totally down on Reiff because he did show well in 2017. I just hope he's past the foot injury. And I think he would be just as good of a RT than he is left. In Detroit he played both and it was fairly similar play. I just think O'Neill would be a legit LT down the road and has the athleticism to hang with speed rushers where Reiff isnt quite there.
I don't think he will ever be elite at either tackle position given his difficulty with speed rushers, but honestly, he does enough to push them past the pocket most of the time that competent QB play is all that's needed to avoid a negative play. Last year he didn't have that. Slide him down to G and his skill set might make him elite. Its a gamble. I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping him at LT and drafting for an interior OL after the first round, but if they pick a T at 18 who is a true tackle, sliding Reiff down is the obvious move. I suspect we go DT or TE in the 1st, G or C in 2nd or 3rd, and maybe another one in the 5th-6th. In any case, too much dead money to move on from Reiff in the next two years.
Agree with your take on Reiff. It's all going to depend on which position is going the quickest to be honest, OL, DT or TE. There is going to be a VERY good player or two at those positions that will fall to us at 18.
If you figure these guys are guarantees to go before 18 (in no specific order):
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Nick Bosa
Josh Allen
Quinnen Williams
Devin White
Jawan Taylor
Montez Sweat
Ed Oliver
Rashan Gary
TJ Hockenson
That's 13 players gone already. Then you have the following remaining:
OL
OG/OT- Cody Ford
OT- Andre Dillard
OT/OG- Jonah Williams
OT- Greg Little
OT/OG- Dalton Risner
OG- Chris Lindstrom
C/OG- Garrett Bradbudy
C/OG- Erik McCoy
OT- Kaleb McGary
C/OG- Elgton Jenkins
DL
DT- Christian Wilkins
DE- Clelin Ferrell
DT- Dexter Lawrence
DT- Jerry Tillery
DT- Jeffery Simmons
DE- Jaylon Ferguson
DE- Brian Burns
TE
TE- Noah Fant
TE- Irv Smith
TE- Jace Sternberger
TE- Josh Oliver
We are going to have PLENTY to pick from. It boils down to who the best player available is.
The saddest thing in life is wasted talent and the choices you make will shape your life forever.
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I don't think he will ever be elite at either tackle position given his difficulty with speed rushers, but honestly, he does enough to push them past the pocket most of the time that competent QB play is all that's needed to avoid a negative play. Last year he didn't have that. Slide him down to G and his skill set might make him elite. Its a gamble. I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping him at LT and drafting for an interior OL after the first round, but if they pick a T at 18 who is a true tackle, sliding Reiff down is the obvious move. I suspect we go DT or TE in the 1st, G or C in 2nd or 3rd, and maybe another one in the 5th-6th. In any case, too much dead money to move on from Reiff in the next two years.
Agree with your take on Reiff. It's all going to depend on which position is going the quickest to be honest, OL, DT or TE. There is going to be a VERY good player or two at those positions that will fall to us at 18.
If you figure these guys are guarantees to go before 18 (in no specific order):
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Nick Bosa
Josh Allen
Quinnen Williams
Devin White
Jawan Taylor
Montez Sweat
Ed Oliver
Rashan Gary
TJ Hockenson
That's 13 players gone already. Then you have the following remaining:
OL
OG/OT- Cody Ford
OT- Andre Dillard
OT/OG- Jonah Williams
OT- Greg Little
OT/OG- Dalton Risner
OG- Chris Lindstrom
C/OG- Garrett Bradbudy
C/OG- Erik McCoy
OT- Kaleb McGary
C/OG- Elgton Jenkins
DL
DT- Christian Wilkins
DE- Clelin Ferrell
DT- Dexter Lawrence
DT- Jerry Tillery
DT- Jeffery Simmons
DE- Jaylon Ferguson
DE- Brian Burns
TE
TE- Noah Fant
TE- Irv Smith
TE- Jace Sternberger
TE- Josh Oliver
We are going to have PLENTY to pick from. It boils down to who the best player available is.
I'm very interested to see how the QBs move in this draft. I'm not sure more than 2 get selected before 18, especially if someone trades for Rosen. I don't think either Williams or Risner is the best Tackle in this draft, but I do like the versatility they both bring as a very safe pick at 18. Fant is the Spielman special. He might have a hard time resisting that sparq score. Brez would approve of that pick on the basis of cap. Zimmer will probably want one of those DTs, and there is a big drop at DT and TE by the time we pick in round 2. My bet is we go Fant or Wilkins at 18 in that scenario if we can't trade back.
Agree with your take on Reiff. It's all going to depend on which position is going the quickest to be honest, OL, DT or TE. There is going to be a VERY good player or two at those positions that will fall to us at 18.
If you figure these guys are guarantees to go before 18 (in no specific order):
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Nick Bosa
Josh Allen
Quinnen Williams
Devin White
Jawan Taylor
Montez Sweat
Ed Oliver
Rashan Gary
TJ Hockenson
That's 13 players gone already. Then you have the following remaining:
OL
OG/OT- Cody Ford
OT- Andre Dillard
OT/OG- Jonah Williams
OT- Greg Little
OT/OG- Dalton Risner
OG- Chris Lindstrom
C/OG- Garrett Bradbudy
C/OG- Erik McCoy
OT- Kaleb McGary
C/OG- Elgton Jenkins
DL
DT- Christian Wilkins
DE- Clelin Ferrell
DT- Dexter Lawrence
DT- Jerry Tillery
DT- Jeffery Simmons
DE- Jaylon Ferguson
DE- Brian Burns
TE
TE- Noah Fant
TE- Irv Smith
TE- Jace Sternberger
TE- Josh Oliver
We are going to have PLENTY to pick from. It boils down to who the best player available is.
I'm very interested to see how the QBs move in this draft. I'm not sure more than 2 get selected before 18, especially if someone trades for Rosen. I don't think either Williams or Risner is the best Tackle in this draft, but I do like the versatility they both bring as a very safe pick at 18. Fant is the Spielman special. He might have a hard time resisting that sparq score. Brez would approve of that pick on the basis of cap. Zimmer will probably want one of those DTs, and there is a big drop at DT and TE by the time we pick in round 2. My bet is we go Fant or Wilkins at 18 in that scenario if we can't trade back.
I can see us taking Fant or Wilkins as well. Regarding the QBs, I think there is no doubt they all go before us. Washington, Miami and Denver are beyond desperate for a QB and they are in terrible positions (10th, 13th and 15th). Trades are going to be made because Murray is a guarantee and I would imagine the Giants go with Haskins. That leaves 3 desperate teams for two remaining QBs. Lock and Jones are goners by the time 18 hits. Because once one of them goes, it's going to be an all out war for the other one. And Washington is going to be the team that has to trade up because if the draft stayed as is and no trades happened, Denver and Miami are taking Lock and Jones. Maaaaybe Denver would pass given they just traded for Flacco but that clueless GM there in Elway needs to figure something out fast. Washington is stuck with Case "journeyman" Keenum and the Dolphins only have Fitz Magic. I'd rather go with Kyle Sloter than Flacco, Case or Fitz at this rate
The saddest thing in life is wasted talent and the choices you make will shape your life forever.
-Chazz Palminteri
I'm very interested to see how the QBs move in this draft. I'm not sure more than 2 get selected before 18, especially if someone trades for Rosen. I don't think either Williams or Risner is the best Tackle in this draft, but I do like the versatility they both bring as a very safe pick at 18. Fant is the Spielman special. He might have a hard time resisting that sparq score. Brez would approve of that pick on the basis of cap. Zimmer will probably want one of those DTs, and there is a big drop at DT and TE by the time we pick in round 2. My bet is we go Fant or Wilkins at 18 in that scenario if we can't trade back.
I can see us taking Fant or Wilkins as well. Regarding the QBs, I think there is no doubt they all go before us. Washington, Miami and Denver are beyond desperate for a QB and they are in terrible positions (10th, 13th and 15th). Trades are going to be made because Murray is a guarantee and I would imagine the Giants go with Haskins. That leaves 3 desperate teams for two remaining QBs. Lock and Jones are goners by the time 18 hits. Because once one of them goes, it's going to be an all out war for the other one. And Washington is going to be the team that has to trade up because if the draft stayed as is and no trades happened, Denver and Miami are taking Lock and Jones. Maaaaybe Denver would pass given they just traded for Flacco but that clueless GM there in Elway needs to figure something out fast. Washington is stuck with Case "journeyman" Keenum and the Dolphins only have Fitz Magic. I'd rather go with Kyle Sloter than Flacco, Case or Fitz at this rate
Interesting take. I know Washington is desperate, but how much do they like Haskins, Jones and Lock vs. Rosen? I won't be shocked if the giants pass on a QB, same with Denver, and even Miami because they clearly are not in 'win now' mode. All that said, it'd be great if we wound up with only 1 QB left after the 17th pick and found someone willing to trade up with us. QBs do usually get pushed up the board, so you are probably right, it just seems like there are a bunch of 2nd round prospects in this draft after Murray.
Yeah short term it's highly disruptive and could yield less than desirable results. But like you, having two solid tackles long term is very enticing, especially if Elf can improve. You'd have 60% of your line pretty set and still on rookie contracts. Reiff isn't worth the money no matter what position he plays so I'd rather start looking for his replacement now.
I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.
I agree about reiff. Remmers was a dumpster fire. Reiff has had his moments but I don't dislike his game.
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I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.
I agree about reiff. Remmers was a dumpster fire. Reiff has had his moments but I don't dislike his game.
One of the reasons I think they may not go Tackle at 18 and slide Reiff down to G is because they moved on from Remmers. He was a terrible Guard, but he was a near average RT. They might have moved O'Neill to LT and Reiff to LG, but for 4 million in savings they created another position they need to address. That might well indicate that Reiff and O'Neill are the starting tackles for the next two years
I don't think he will ever be elite at either tackle position given his difficulty with speed rushers, but honestly, he does enough to push them past the pocket most of the time that competent QB play is all that's needed to avoid a negative play. Last year he didn't have that. Slide him down to G and his skill set might make him elite. Its a gamble. I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping him at LT and drafting for an interior OL after the first round, but if they pick a T at 18 who is a true tackle, sliding Reiff down is the obvious move. I suspect we go DT or TE in the 1st, G or C in 2nd or 3rd, and maybe another one in the 5th-6th. In any case, too much dead money to move on from Reiff in the next two years.
Agree with your take on Reiff. It's all going to depend on which position is going the quickest to be honest, OL, DT or TE. There is going to be a VERY good player or two at those positions that will fall to us at 18.
If you figure these guys are guarantees to go before 18 (in no specific order):
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Nick Bosa
Josh Allen
Quinnen Williams
Devin White
Jawan Taylor
Montez Sweat
Ed Oliver
Rashan Gary
TJ Hockenson
That's 13 players gone already. Then you have the following remaining:
OL
OG/OT- Cody Ford
OT- Andre Dillard
OT/OG- Jonah Williams
OT- Greg Little
OT/OG- Dalton Risner
OG- Chris Lindstrom
C/OG- Garrett Bradbudy
C/OG- Erik McCoy
OT- Kaleb McGary
C/OG- Elgton Jenkins
DL
DT- Christian Wilkins
DE- Clelin Ferrell
DT- Dexter Lawrence
DT- Jerry Tillery
DT- Jeffery Simmons
DE- Jaylon Ferguson
DE- Brian Burns
TE
TE- Noah Fant
TE- Irv Smith
TE- Jace Sternberger
TE- Josh Oliver
We are going to have PLENTY to pick from. It boils down to who the best player available is.
I don't think Lock, Sweat, and Hockenson are guarantees to go before 18. Can't wait for draft day!
Yeah short term it's highly disruptive and could yield less than desirable results. But like you, having two solid tackles long term is very enticing, especially if Elf can improve. You'd have 60% of your line pretty set and still on rookie contracts. Reiff isn't worth the money no matter what position he plays so I'd rather start looking for his replacement now.
I see. You are are far more down on Reiff than I am. I think Reiff is a solid left tackle, and I do think he could be an elite guard.
I think he's average but has had some bad games. Not just Buffalo, the last game against Chicago was also particularly bad. He was even getting beat when Chicago put in their 2nd string at the end of the game.
If he can workout at guard, that would be huge but I'm not very optimistic.
I will say, the more I watch on LB Ryan Connelly from Wisconsin, the more I want this kid. I don’t think I’ve truly ever seen a kid fly down hill so fast and so hard to make a tackle. He has an absolute nose for the football and has zero fear. If we draft him he would put Gedeon directly to the bench IMO. We did work him out privately recently so the interest is definitely there. He reminds me a lot of Chris Borland from a few years ago. Borland was a stud his rookie year in SF and retired after a year out of nowhere. I had us taking Borland in every mock I did. Connelly reminds me a lot of him. Take the time out of your day to watch him, he’s fun to watch and we could really use a downhill thumping athletic freak like him IMO. He’s projected to go in the 4 round or later. Would be a great pick in the middle rounds
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:05 pm
I will say, the more I watch on LB Ryan Connelly from Wisconsin, the more I want this kid. I don’t think I’ve truly ever seen a kid fly down hill so fast and so hard to make a tackle. He has an absolute nose for the football and has zero fear. If we draft him he would put Gedeon directly to the bench IMO. We did work him out privately recently so the interest is definitely there. He reminds me a lot of Chris Borland from a few years ago. Borland was a stud his rookie year in SF and retired after a year out of nowhere. I had us taking Borland in every mock I did. Connelly reminds me a lot of him. Take the time out of your day to watch him, he’s fun to watch and we could really use a downhill thumping athletic freak like him IMO. He’s projected to go in the 4 round or later. Would be a great pick in the middle rounds
His downhill tackling reminds me a bit of Harrison Smith. I'd like to see how he does shedding blocks, that's a lot of gap shooting highlights, not sure that he's going to get that cleanly through in the NFL. Looks a little small for a 43 Mike but definitely has a nose for the ball. Interesting prospect!
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:05 pm
I will say, the more I watch on LB Ryan Connelly from Wisconsin, the more I want this kid. I don’t think I’ve truly ever seen a kid fly down hill so fast and so hard to make a tackle. He has an absolute nose for the football and has zero fear. If we draft him he would put Gedeon directly to the bench IMO. We did work him out privately recently so the interest is definitely there. He reminds me a lot of Chris Borland from a few years ago. Borland was a stud his rookie year in SF and retired after a year out of nowhere. I had us taking Borland in every mock I did. Connelly reminds me a lot of him. Take the time out of your day to watch him, he’s fun to watch and we could really use a downhill thumping athletic freak like him IMO. He’s projected to go in the 4 round or later. Would be a great pick in the middle rounds
His downhill tackling reminds me a bit of Harrison Smith. I'd like to see how he does shedding blocks, that's a lot of gap shooting highlights, not sure that he's going to get that cleanly through in the NFL. Looks a little small for a 43 Mike but definitely has a nose for the ball. Interesting prospect!
Yeah not sure how well he does at shedding blocks and given his style of play it can cause him to overrun plays at times but I think he’s a great get in the middle to late rounds.
The saddest thing in life is wasted talent and the choices you make will shape your life forever.
-Chazz Palminteri
VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:49 pm
Most “experts” think Murray will go #1 to the cardinals
If this happens what are your thoughts on trading for Rosen? Could he be had for a 2nd rounder ???
I think he might be able to be had for a 2nd. But realistically I don't ever see this happening. Cousins is the guy for the next two years and it would be difficult to afford Rosen's contract, especially to be a backup. I'm also not a huge Rosen fan, I'd rather that pick and cap space go elsewhere.
Agree with your take on Reiff. It's all going to depend on which position is going the quickest to be honest, OL, DT or TE. There is going to be a VERY good player or two at those positions that will fall to us at 18.
If you figure these guys are guarantees to go before 18 (in no specific order):
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Nick Bosa
Josh Allen
Quinnen Williams
Devin White
Jawan Taylor
Montez Sweat
Ed Oliver
Rashan Gary
TJ Hockenson
That's 13 players gone already. Then you have the following remaining:
OL
OG/OT- Cody Ford
OT- Andre Dillard
OT/OG- Jonah Williams
OT- Greg Little
OT/OG- Dalton Risner
OG- Chris Lindstrom
C/OG- Garrett Bradbudy
C/OG- Erik McCoy
OT- Kaleb McGary
C/OG- Elgton Jenkins
DL
DT- Christian Wilkins
DE- Clelin Ferrell
DT- Dexter Lawrence
DT- Jerry Tillery
DT- Jeffery Simmons
DE- Jaylon Ferguson
DE- Brian Burns
TE
TE- Noah Fant
TE- Irv Smith
TE- Jace Sternberger
TE- Josh Oliver
We are going to have PLENTY to pick from. It boils down to who the best player available is.
I'm very interested to see how the QBs move in this draft. I'm not sure more than 2 get selected before 18, especially if someone trades for Rosen. I don't think either Williams or Risner is the best Tackle in this draft, but I do like the versatility they both bring as a very safe pick at 18. Fant is the Spielman special. He might have a hard time resisting that sparq score. Brez would approve of that pick on the basis of cap. Zimmer will probably want one of those DTs, and there is a big drop at DT and TE by the time we pick in round 2. My bet is we go Fant or Wilkins at 18 in that scenario if we can't trade back.
That's a good point with the QBs. Appears the Ohio ST guy is falling. His lack of experience is a huge issue. Even the top guy is too short. To me that's a red flag and I wouldn't blow the 1st pick on that. But he could be the next Wilson. I hope Speilman sticks to his board. A reach for a greater need is never a good idea, Maybe my minds going bad but this draft to me lacks elite talent. Typically the 1st pick is already in the bag. CBS has the Giants taking QB Jones at 17. That's a 2nd round talent maybe. And for us it's Ford. He's not jumping up the board. But my guess is there will be a better player than him at our spot and we need to take him.
I'm very interested to see how the QBs move in this draft. I'm not sure more than 2 get selected before 18, especially if someone trades for Rosen. I don't think either Williams or Risner is the best Tackle in this draft, but I do like the versatility they both bring as a very safe pick at 18. Fant is the Spielman special. He might have a hard time resisting that sparq score. Brez would approve of that pick on the basis of cap. Zimmer will probably want one of those DTs, and there is a big drop at DT and TE by the time we pick in round 2. My bet is we go Fant or Wilkins at 18 in that scenario if we can't trade back.
That's a good point with the QBs. Appears the Ohio ST guy is falling. His lack of experience is a huge issue. Even the top guy is too short. To me that's a red flag and I wouldn't blow the 1st pick on that. But he could be the next Wilson. I hope Speilman sticks to his board. A reach for a greater need is never a good idea, Maybe my minds going bad but this draft to me lacks elite talent. Typically the 1st pick is already in the bag. CBS has the Giants taking QB Jones at 17. That's a 2nd round talent maybe. And for us it's Ford. He's not jumping up the board. But my guess is there will be a better player than him at our spot and we need to take him.
Too short for what? Being a good QB? Winning a SB? Being in the HoF? Whats the cutoff for height? If you dont think Murray can be an awesome QB in the NFL, I dont know what to say. Well I do, but I dont want to get kicked from this great website.
And Ford at 18 would be the BPA and our top need. He is a friggin beast. I cant think of anyone else that would have an immediate effect on our team that would be available at 18. I dont think he will make it though.
