Adrian Peterson -- The elephant in the room

[fiestavike]

Full disclosure: I was thinking this when playing Madden. It was based on a video game decision, but I think it has a realistic application in real life.

If Dallas decided they really wanted Peterson, would you guys be happy with a trade of Peterson and Kalil (pending a contract restructure for Dallas) for Tyron Smith?

I think that would be great value for both teams, and would open up the possibility of us signing a guard in FA and instantly upgrading our line to a very solid unit.

Consider a line of Smith/FA/(Sullivan/Berger)/(Fusco/Harris)/Loadholt. That's a solid line. McKinnon has shown nice value and we can still pick up another RB. Additionally, this open up Rudolph to be more of a pass catcher and we have a more serious threat of a pass catcher out of the backfield.

I think that moves our team in a direction where this can be Teddy's offense, and we're trading away a great player for a very good player at an important position while moving on from a Kalil, who most people have given up on.

On Dallas' side, they would still have a very good line with a once-in-a-lifetime RB. They would have to believe Kalil could at least be average, but I think with the rest of their line that is a gamble they would be willing to take.

I doubt the Cowboys would even consider it...but we are talking about Jerry Jones.
I obviously would be in favor, but what are your thoughts?

[mondry]

It's a no brainer for us and as crazy as jerry is I can't see him pulling the trigger.

[PurpleMustReign]

Speaking of overpaid elephants in the room.... Blair Walsh. Just can't handle the spot light and pressure of kicking in a big game. Can't blame it all on Locke, change the holder all you want, when it's a game that has playoff implications or against a good team he will choke.

Which Blair Walsh have you been watching?

[allday1991]

Which Blair Walsh have you been watching?

Lol... the one that missed a 27 yard field goal to win a playoff game?

[dead_poet]

Lol... the one that missed a 27 yard field goal to win a playoff game?

That one kick shouldn't define his career and take away from how solid he's been for the majority of his career.

[allday1991]

That one kick shouldn't define his career and take away from how solid he's been for the majority of his career.

I think it does just a bit. Gary Anderson went perfect in 98 but ask a non-viking fan and they just remember the missed field goal against the Falcons. Does one kick define his whole career no however it does leave a lasting memory in mind and one I'm still obviously upset over. When I think of solid or reliable about the Vikings over the past 5 years the only thing I can think of is a.p however here is a thread discussing "the elephant is the room" which seems more bias than me throwing Walsh into the mix. Just my two cents.

[dead_poet]

I think it does just a bit. Gary Anderson went perfect in 98 but ask a non-viking fan and they just remember the missed field goal against the Falcons. Does one kick define his whole career no however it does leave a lasting memory in mind and one I'm still obviously upset over.

There's a lot of a difference between those two. The biggest is that that '98 team was DOMINANT and pretty much expected to advance. The 2015 Vikings weren't and I'd have bet against them had they squeaked by. Their offense (and o-line) was no match for Denver/Carolina.

Anderson was also like 38 in that game. Blair has a long time to go. 2015 may leave a small stain on his resume' but assuming he can get over it he has the talent to change perceptions back to where they were and carve out a nice LEGacy (kicker pun!).

[allday1991]

There's a lot of a difference between those two. The biggest is that that '98 team was DOMINANT and pretty much expected to advance. The 2015 Vikings weren't and I'd have bet against them had they squeaked by. Their offense (and o-line) was no match for Denver/Carolina.

Anderson was also like 38 in that game. Blair has a long time to go. 2015 may leave a small stain on his resume' but assuming he can get over it he has the talent to change perceptions back to where they were and carve out a nice LEGacy (kicker pun!).

True Walsh has more time to right his wrong, for some reason my mind is forging the idea he will make a habit of it (hopefully not). + 1 for the pun

[Raptorman]

I think it does just a bit. Gary Anderson went perfect in 98 but ask a non-viking fan and they just remember the missed field goal against the Falcons. Does one kick define his whole career no however it does leave a lasting memory in mind and one I'm still obviously upset over. When I think of solid or reliable about the Vikings over the past 5 years the only thing I can think of is a.p however here is a thread discussing "the elephant is the room" which seems more bias than me throwing Walsh into the mix. Just my two cents.

People forget one thing about 1998. The Atlanta Falcons were 14-2. Viking offense, 556 points, Falcons offense, 442 points. Vikings defense, 296 points. Falcons Defense 289 points. So when people talk about that game, the Vikings were not playing a pushover team.

[chicagopurple]

lolz....blaming the kicker is a sad distraction......blame a completely absent passing attack, a RB who fumbled the win away, and a horrid OL. Locke mishandled TWO snaps that game. It never should have even come down to a field goal......Its wishful thinking to entertain the idea that we were one good place kicker away from victory.

[allday1991]

lolz....blaming the kicker is a sad distraction......blame a completely absent passing attack, a RB who fumbled the win away, and a horrid OL. Locke mishandled TWO snaps that game. It never should have even come down to a field goal......Its wishful thinking to entertain the idea that we were one good place kicker away from victory.

Yeah cause it wasn't like we where facing one of the best defenses in the league for the last 3 years. The fumbles happened with time left in the game so one could argue even if Peterson didn't fumble no way of knowing how Seattle would of reacted where one could argue Walsh kicked the game away because it was the last play of the game bit of a difference imo.

[Mothman]

At 31, Adrian Peterson trying to do what few RBs have done

Peterson, who turned 31 on Monday, often said he thought there was too much fuss about him turning 30 last season, adding that he doesn't believe the rules about age apply to him. The longer he defies them, though, the more remarkable his achievements will be. If Peterson reproduces his 1,485-yard season in 2016, he'd have the fourth-best season in NFL history at that age, behind Martin (1,697 yards in 2004), Tiki Barber (1,662 yards in 2006) and Walter Payton (1,551 yards in 1985). Peterson wouldn't even have to surpass 1,200 yards to have one of the 10 best age-31 season of all time: Warrick Dunn's 1,140 yards in 2006 currently ranks 10th.

More at the link.

[Raptorman]

At 31, Adrian Peterson trying to do what few RBs have done
More at the link.

OK, here's my theory on age. We all have 3 ages.

Real age. This is the age that corresponds to our birthday. All it shows is how long we have been alive.

Minds age. This is the age that we tend to think at. For some of us it's a much lower age than our real age. Me, my minds age is about 25. It's that mindset that we can still do most of what we could at that particular age.

Body age. This is the age that our body is at. Just because someone is 55 does not mean they are in worse shape than someone who is 25. This age also comes into play with the minds age. The mind (25) says "Hey we can do that!" The body (57) says "Slow down kimosabe, No we can't!"

Now, the real key to a RB is what is his Body age? We all age differently and each the exercise we do make a difference. Now, history tells us that RB's slow down after 30. But not all. So the question is, at what age is Peterson's body?

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[chicagopurple]

At 31, Adrian Peterson trying to do what few RBs have done
More at the link.

LOL there are a LOT of things that AP thinks "don't appy to me".....speeding laws, the need for preseason playing time (prolly true), child abuse laws, the need to pass block, the need for a childs parents to marry and be there for the kid......

[allday1991]

LOL there are a LOT of things that AP thinks "don't appy to me".....speeding laws, the need for preseason playing time (prolly true), child abuse laws, the need to pass block, the need for a childs parents to marry and be there for the kid......

So what your saying is he isn't perfect? .....huh really god forbid.