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np, for me my GF went to OU the same time he was playing ball for them, she's from Oklahoma and didn't know much about the NFL / pro scene but everyone in OKC loves Peterson and so when he fell to us in the draft and he put on that purple she became a vikings fan (probably would have happened anyway but this sealed it) and her favorite player. Peterson's looked at differently down here in the south, I'm not going to say what he did wasn't a big deal, it was, but I still don't believe his intent was to cause severe damage to his son on purpose and a lot of parents down here (it's shockingly scary, the problem goes way beyond peterson) discipline their children that way.The Breeze wrote:@Mondry
Oddly enough it's my sentimental bond that has worn thin with him more than anything. But it's more of a societal thing than anything personally toward the guy.
Thanks for the back n forth on this, as it's stimulated some constructive mental dialogue on my end. I'm often amazed at the different things that come up for me as a result of chatting with the fine people here.
I understand. The media circus that surrounds some players can be a turn-off, whether you like the actual player himself or not.The Breeze wrote:@Mondry
Hey, thanks for sharing that anecdote. My ex-wife became a sports and Viking fan due to the pure freakishness of Randy Moss;)
My ultimate discontent, which has little to do with anything specific to AD personally(cause I don't know him), could also be attributed to specific types of personas in sports/politics/religion/media stars etc.
I think it's within reason to suggest that the feeling I get around AD and all that surrounds him is kinda similar to what Jim might feel about the aura of Brent Farve, if not for different reasons altogether.
Which puts me in conflict at times as Viking fan
Neither do I. I wish Zimmer wouldn't have hired Norv.autobon7 wrote: As much as I hammered Musgrave I think you may be right. Don't like Norv as the designated driver.
The man knows how to make good use of a real asset on offense. I think he really understands the game, play design, etc. He sometimes "outsmarts" himself as a playcaller but overall, I think he's a good coordinator. It would be interesting to see what he could do with a well-stocked offensive roster and a really good veteran QB. He's seemingly spent his whole career as an OC developing young QBs.losperros wrote: Neither do I. I wish Zimmer wouldn't have hired Norv.
As surprised I am to say it, I've come to miss Musgrave's ability to utilize a player's strengths. He found a way to get Patterson involved and I think he'd do it again. The same goes for Johnson.
He had some damn good passing offenses in San Diego. And in Cleveland before he came here, they let the league in pass attempts. Probably because they couldn't rely on their defense, and had a guy in Gordon they could go to. I think he's just doing what he thinks he has to do with what he has. I doubt he was really that excited when they drafted Teddy...the opposite of what he seems to need to run his offense. And he's still adjusted at times.Mothman wrote: The man knows how to make good use of a real asset on offense. I think he really understands the game, play design, etc. He sometimes "outsmarts" himself as a playcaller but overall, I think he's a good coordinator. It would be interesting to see what he could do with a well-stocked offensive roster and a really good veteran QB. He's seemingly spent his whole career as an OC developing young QBs.
Reports at the time Bridgewater was drafted referred to Turner as the driving force behind the pick and said he "banged the table' to convince them Bridgewater was their man. Maybe the reports were inaccurate but we know Turner got a good look at him before he was drafted. The Vikes worked him out.Demi wrote:He had some damn good passing offenses in San Diego. And in Cleveland before he came here, they let the league in pass attempts. Probably because they couldn't rely on their defense, and had a guy in Gordon they could go to. I think he's just doing what he thinks he has to do with what he has. I doubt he was really that excited when they drafted Teddy...
Mothman wrote: Reports at the time Bridgewater was drafted referred to Turner as the driving force behind the pick and said he "banged the table' to convince them Bridgewater was their man. Maybe the reports were inaccurate but we know Turner got a good look at him before he was drafted. The Vikes worked him out.
He might be a little less excited now...
I doubt it. He's a coach, not a fan.Mothman wrote: He might be a little less excited now...
Yes, a coach whose starting QB struggles to execute some of the throws that have been staples of his offense over the years.fiestavike wrote: I doubt it. He's a coach, not a fan.
Well said, to think Norv wouldn't be anything but extremely excited after his 2nd year QB performed as well as he did under extremely poor surrounding circumstances is just beyond my comprehension.fiestavike wrote: I doubt it. He's a coach, not a fan.
I doubt that.mondry wrote: Well said, to think Norv wouldn't be anything but extremely excited after his 2nd year QB performed as well as he did under extremely poor surrounding circumstances is just beyond my comprehension.
I'm sure norv loved watching the ball land 5 feet in front of wide open receivers throughout the season.mondry wrote: Well said, to think Norv wouldn't be anything but extremely excited after his 2nd year QB performed as well as he did under extremely poor surrounding circumstances is just beyond my comprehension.
Yeah, I was thinking of the reports of the team trying to trade up for Manziel. Not sure if Norv preferred Manziel, Spielman, who it may have been. Or if Norv just wanted to get the point across that the team desperately needed a QB and Teddy was there at the point he was? Or maybe he just wanted Teddy all along. Just seems strange a guy with some big question marks about downfield passing would be a guy Norv Turner would want running his offense.Reports at the time Bridgewater was drafted referred to Turner as the driving force behind the pick and said he "banged the table' to convince them Bridgewater was their man. Maybe the reports were inaccurate but we know Turner got a good look at him before he was drafted. The Vikes worked him out.
