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I disagree and I can't speak for anybody else but my view on this subject isn't stat-driven. It's based on observation. As you like to put it, "I watch the games".fiestavike wrote:by and large I think the "held the ball too long" idea is another stat driven canard that isn't born out in reality.
Fair enough. I have a different perception when I watch the games.Mothman wrote: I disagree and I can't speak for anybody else but my view on this subject isn't stat-driven. It's based on observation. As you like to put it, "I watch the games".
And I will concede there are times he holds the ball too long, but I don't think its accurate as a generalization. Again, that's fair...I remember seeing several people citing the stop watch while contending he held the ball too long.Mothman wrote:I'm not even sure where to find stats for how long Bridgewater held the ball, other than sites like PFF or in smaller doses like the Goessling article you linked to above.
While I can't speak to FA, there should be 2 very good receivers available when #23 rolls around in the upcoming draft - Josh Doctson and Tyler Boyd. Doctson isn't all that big, but he has outstanding leaping ability and body control and has repeatedly shown a knack for going up and over DBs to snag deep balls. He has good speed and run after the catch ability as well. With some time the weight room, he could develop into a legit #1.720pete wrote:For those of you who want a WR from free agency I'm curious what big WR you guys think we should sign. Remember signing Greg Jennings? Moss 2.0? Greg Camarillo? Bernard Berrian was arguably a decent pick up.
This franchise is cursed with drafting WRs too. Patterson, Harvin, Williamson, Sidney Rice. Moss 1.0 was a good pick, as was Jake Reed.
I think most of the "holds the ball too long" is a product of inexperience where the QB just doesn't trust his instincts quite yet. He sees something or understands what the situation dictates he do, but he has to go through it a few times to gain the confidence to let his instincts take over and throw it "on time". The strip sack against Arizona is a perfect example of that. Bridgewater knew the situation, knew the Cards would be coming hard at him, and knew he needed to protect the ball to ensure a field goal attempt, and yet despite that he was looking to make a play, held the ball a split second too long as a result, and paid the price.Mothman wrote: I disagree and I can't speak for anybody else but my view on this subject isn't stat-driven. It's based on observation. As you like to put it, "I watch the games".
I'm not even sure where to find stats for how long Bridgewater held the ball, other than sites like PFF or in smaller doses like the Goessling article you linked to above.
I sure hope so.VikingLord wrote:think most of the "holds the ball too long" is a product of inexperience where the QB just doesn't trust his instincts quite yet. He sees something or understands what the situation dictates he do, but he has to go through it a few times to gain the confidence to let his instincts take over and throw it "on time". The strip sack against Arizona is a perfect example of that. Bridgewater knew the situation, knew the Cards would be coming hard at him, and knew he needed to protect the ball to ensure a field goal attempt, and yet despite that he was looking to make a play, held the ball a split second too long as a result, and paid the price.
On the bright side, that experience should help him avoid a repeat the rest of his career. The next time he's in that situation I bet he drops, looks, and fires if it's open or throws it away if not.
It's hard to say. I agree that inexperience likely played a role but as I've said before, I also think he has a risk-averse mentality. That probably played a part in holding the ball too long too. Some QBs take the next step and break these habits and some don't...Young QBs are frustrating to watch because nothing prepares them for future games better than current ones. We get to watch the learning process unfold and that can be painful at times. Next year is huge for Teddy's overall development. He's had 2 seasons to get knocked around, see various defenses, and get a sense of timing and dealing with pressure at the pro level. Season 3 is where he gets to show if he's learned those lessons or he's just not going to get it.
So yeah, I think he probably held the ball too long a lot this year, but I don't think that problem will continue for much longer.
Okay PHP, I am starting to feel the dumb jabs and I assure you that I am not stupid or dumb and I am starting to get a little perturbed about it.Pondering Her Percy wrote: It's just dumb to say "replace him" in general. He's going into his 3rd year and has had limited WR and OL help both years. I've been all over the guy but its not like he's been Geno Smith or Jamarcus Russell. Relax people
I WANT to believe this as I did with others. And that goes way back in the history timeline. I have watched the parade of jokers, bums, humps, disasters, and wannabes to see that TB is JUST outside most of those but still unacceptable. We have had GREAT players over the past 25 years, none of them sans Favre and Cunningham do not even come close to qualifying being called a GREAT QB. Excuse me if I am not on this bandwagon. The older I get the rides get shorter instead of longer. I have patience with my kids and grandkids, is that not enough?Demi wrote: How many of those projects QBed the team an entire season, made the playoffs, and then played well enough to beat a better team at home? Not sure I'd lump Teddy in with the last couple bums we had. He needs work, but some better help would be easier to find, and more likely to pay off. Of course they should still sign and draft the position, and hopefully with more emphasis then they did with TJoke and Ponder. But unlike those two cases, I think we have a guy we can win with. And possibly more if the defense continues, and we get some better players around him on offense.
If a Qb with starter potential is on the board in any round I would take them. I personally would cut Hill. He is a wasted roster spot. I'd much rather have a young Qb who has the potential to challenge TB. I have only seen Cardale Jones in a couple of games but really liked his potential. Reminds me of Culpepper.CbusVikesFan wrote: I WANT to believe this as I did with others. And that goes way back in the history timeline. I have watched the parade of jokers, bums, humps, disasters, and wannabes to see that TB is JUST outside most of those but still unacceptable. We have had GREAT players over the past 25 years, none of them sans Favre and Cunningham do not even come close to qualifying being called a GREAT QB. Excuse me if I am not on this bandwagon. The older I get the rides get shorter instead of longer. I have patience with my kids and grandkids, is that not enough?
I will ask you again. Which QB? It's easy to say "get another QB", not so easy to do. So who do they get?mosscarter wrote:get another qb and offensive coordinator is how you fix the offense, of which we won't do because zimmer already said he'll stick with teddy. i believe we will get the line fixed and then who will get the blame? my guess is the receivers the only one we have worth anything is diggs.
Cardale Jones is an interesting prospect with great potential but he'll need development. OTOH, he probably would be a good backup and could challenge Bridgewater, which I think would be constructive for the team.Maelstrom88 wrote:If a Qb with starter potential is on the board in any round I would take them. I personally would cut Hill. He is a wasted roster spot. I'd much rather have a young Qb who has the potential to challenge TB. I have only seen Cardale Jones in a couple of games but really liked his potential. Reminds me of Culpepper.
A guy like Dak Prescott probably fits that description as well. Both players would need development but they both have a lot of natural talent and it's hard to overlook the composure Jones showed in the college football playoffs last year.losperros wrote: Cardale Jones is an interesting prospect with great potential but he'll need development. OTOH, he probably would be a good backup and could challenge Bridgewater, which I think would be constructive for the team.
Its hard to gauge where he will go in the draft, but I wouldn't be against adding him to the roster if he's available in the mid rounds.losperros wrote: Cardale Jones is an interesting prospect with great potential but he'll need development. OTOH, he probably would be a good backup and could challenge Bridgewater, which I think would be constructive for the team.
For what it's worth, NFLDraftScout.com currently projects him as a 4th to 5th round pick:fiestavike wrote:Its hard to gauge where he will go in the draft, but I wouldn't be against adding him to the roster if he's available in the mid rounds.
I wouldn't hesitate in that range. I'd love to see the Vikings develop depth at the QB position.Mothman wrote: For what it's worth, NFLDraftScout.com currently projects him as a 4th to 5th round pick:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/play ... dale-jones
