My thoughts on the offense as a whole

[Mothman]

Again from the past 3 games and my own analysis, Teddy has thrown the ball more than 10 yards downfield only 14 times. He's 6/14 with a TD and an INT. Conversely, he's thrown 22 passes behind the LOS. Our opponents have taken 49 shots downfield over 10 yards, where they're a combined 23/49 (Carr, Rodgers, Ryan). And they've only thrown 16 behind the LOS.

Yikes.

[mondry]

Hey Reignman, long time no see! I can't seem to quote you, when I do it's just showing my own text you quoted lol!

I'm having trouble finding their exact definition of what equates to a pressure so I'm not really sure. I think it includes all passing plays though.

I think Teddy's had time too, but when he doesn't have time he REALLY doesn't have time, like an unblocked blitzer coming through, but that's just an observation from watching the games. Clemmings in particular doesn't just get beat, he gets beat badly.

I'm all for the chemistry theory, we've changed his #1 wr every year now and if we dump wallace that will happen again. On the flip side though he seemed to form a connection with Diggs immediately. Teddy's deal seems to be with trusting his WR's so I think we need good route runners with sure hands, that seems to be Diggs so far.

For their accuracy stat they go over each play and "assign blame" for why the ball wasn't completed so when the blame goes on the pass catcher it's omitted from the QB's stats and affects the WR's grade. They also omit throw aways when throwing it away is the "best play" available. We happen to have more than our fair share of drops this year and because of the pressure Teddy's having to throw it away a lot, after they decide what should be counted and what shouldn't, that's how they come to him being #2. They're very subjective so take it for what it's worth.

Interesting that he has a half second faster time out of the gun, even if the QBR hasn't translated to me he seems noticeably "better" or "more comfortable" from the gun.

With Peterson gone I would assume we'd run a passing offense like we did last year that's supported by a running game out of the shotgun formation, where Teddy will have his best chance of succeeding. When I have some time I want to try and find out how effective Asiata / Mckinnion were running out of the shotgun last year compared to AD this year. Right now this isn't Teddy's team, it's Peterson's, everything is being catered to him. With Peterson out of the picture I would imagine they go back to catering Teddy (no reason to go out of your way to build around Mckinnion / Asiata) and the passing stats would improve.

We also need to start drafting O-lineman that are equally good in pass protection compared to run blocking. Clemmings if I remember right is another guy who rated very highly in his run blocking (in college) but left a lot to be desired in pass pro. This kind of thing has to stop if they ever want to sport a legit pass first team that's complimented by the run.

Zimmer seems pretty attached to Norv but I would probably consider replacing him sooner rather than later if Teddy is my guy. I just don't have a lot of faith in him being able to adjust his system enough where Teddy would make sense, but since we used a first round pick on Teddy, it probably makes more sense to keep him than Norv, who I think is a little "out dated" anyway.

[Reignman]

I'm having trouble finding their exact definition of what equates to a pressure so I'm not really sure. I think it includes all passing plays though.

Ofc it doesn't help when the backs and TE's don't stay in to block. The team as a whole doesn't seem to be very good at recognizing the blitz. I've seen enough plays where the back/TE's will release instead of picking up the blitz. Can't catch a pass when Teddy is flat on his back before you turn around.

I think Teddy's had time too, but when he doesn't have time he REALLY doesn't have time, like an unblocked blitzer coming through, but that's just an observation from watching the games. Clemmings in particular doesn't just get beat, he gets beat badly.

In the past 3 games, against 5 or more rushers, Teddy has had 2.30 seconds to throw and has gone 19/29 (65.5%) for 288 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT, and 3 sacks for a rating of 121.1. Against 4 or fewer rushers he's had 2.66 seconds and has gone 39/57 for 315 yards, 0 TD's, 0 INT's, and 7 sacks for a rating of 67.5. So I would argue he's doing better under pressure lol. Less time to overthink I guess.

I'm all for the chemistry theory, we've changed his #1 wr every year now and if we dump wallace that will happen again. On the flip side though he seemed to form a connection with Diggs immediately. Teddy's deal seems to be with trusting his WR's so I think we need good route runners with sure hands, that seems to be Diggs so far.

It wouldn't have to change. Dump Wallace and let Johnson take his playing time. It doesn't pay to have a field stretcher when opposing defenses know Teddy can't hit the deep ball anyway.

For their accuracy stat they go over each play and "assign blame" for why the ball wasn't completed so when the blame goes on the pass catcher it's omitted from the QB's stats and affects the WR's grade. They also omit throw aways when throwing it away is the "best play" available. We happen to have more than our fair share of drops this year and because of the pressure Teddy's having to throw it away a lot, after they decide what should be counted and what shouldn't, that's how they come to him being #2. They're very subjective so take it for what it's worth.

Ahhh ok, makes sense. I'll still argue it's because Teddy throws a lot of short passes lol. Would be nice if they broke it down by distance. Like where would he rank if they just went by passes that traveled more than 10 yards beyond the LOS? I bet he starts sliding down the list when you do that.

Interesting that he has a half second faster time out of the gun, even if the QBR hasn't translated to me he seems noticeably "better" or "more comfortable" from the gun.

Yeah I don't doubt that. Probably get a better view of things and don't really have to worry about the drop back. On passing plays most teams throw out of the gun 70% of the time or more, so you could say most QB's prefer it. Carr is about the same from the gun (102.7 rating) as he is from under center (102.2).

When I have some time I want to try and find out how effective Asiata / Mckinnion were running out of the shotgun last year compared to AD this year. Right now this isn't Teddy's team, it's Peterson's, everything is being catered to him. With Peterson out of the picture I would imagine they go back to catering Teddy (no reason to go out of your way to build around Mckinnion / Asiata) and the passing stats would improve.

Well if we go back to catering to Teddy then I hope he speeds up the progress a little more lol. That's my biggest complaint about him. He looks the exact same as he did at the beginning of last year. Carr on the other hand has improved quite a bit. Just show me some progress Teddy.

And I'll save you some time on the shotgun stats.

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              ATT  YDS   AVG TD REC  YDS   AVG TD
2014 McKinnon  43  185  4.30  0  19  108  5.68  0
2014 Asiata     4   24  6.00  0  15   88  5.86  0

2015 Peterson  31   53  1.71  0  12   65  5.42  0

We also need to start drafting O-lineman that are equally good in pass protection compared to run blocking. Clemmings if I remember right is another guy who rated very highly in his run blocking (in college) but left a lot to be desired in pass pro. This kind of thing has to stop if they ever want to sport a legit pass first team that's complimented by the run.

I can't argue with that. Everyone was laughing at the Cowboys for taking so many oline high in the draft the past few years, but now their line is one of the best in the league.

Zimmer seems pretty attached to Norv but I would probably consider replacing him sooner rather than later if Teddy is my guy. I just don't have a lot of faith in him being able to adjust his system enough where Teddy would make sense, but since we used a first round pick on Teddy, it probably makes more sense to keep him than Norv, who I think is a little "out dated" anyway.

Yeah with Frazier we had an outdated defense, and now with Norv we probably have an outdated offense. All I know is they're not the right fit for one another, and like you say, one of them probably has to go if we hope to get better on offense.

[fiestavike]

And I'll save you some time on the shotgun stats.

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              ATT  YDS   AVG TD REC  YDS   AVG TD
2014 McKinnon  43  185  4.30  0  19  108  5.68  0
2014 Asiata     4   24  6.00  0  15   88  5.86  0

2015 Peterson  31   53  1.71  0  12   65  5.42  0

For what its worth I'm pretty certain those stats are wildly wrong. I remember looking at game stats and found Asiata had far more carries out of the shotgun last year than 4. I posted details in a thread arguing with Mothman about something. Its burried in some thread somewhere on here, but I've no idea where.

[Mothman]

For what its worth I'm pretty certain those stats are wildly wrong. I remember looking at game stats and found Asiata had far more carries out of the shotgun last year than 4. I posted details in a thread arguing with Mothman about something. Its burried in some thread somewhere on here, but I've no idea where.

The stats above are for this season. Asiata had 70 carries for 263 yards out of the shotgun last year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/ ... att-asiata

[fiestavike]

The stats above are for this season. Asiata had 70 carries for 263 yards out of the shotgun last year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/ ... att-asiata

Oh ok, thanks. The way its written seems to say those are from last year.

[dkoby]

This is somewhat on the subject, but does it bother anyone else that on 3rd and 6 or better that the best player on the team can't be on the field?
I'm tired of this guy not being on the field when we need him the most!! You know who I'm talking about. #maddening

[Mothman]

This is somewhat on the subject, but does it bother anyone else that on 3rd and 6 or better that the best player on the team can't be on the field?
I'm tired of this guy not being on the field when we need him the most!! You know who I'm talking about. #maddening

So put him on the field. Problem solved.

[Just Me]

[mondry]

So put him on the field. Problem solved.

I don't get it, are you saying Dkoby is norv? In that case, Dkoby, you've got some explaining to do!

HAHAHAH perfect, one of my favorite movies!

[Mothman]

I don't get it, are you saying Dkoby is norv? In that case, Dkoby, you've got some explaining to do!

He IS Norv. You didn't know?

Tell him, Dkoby!

HAHAHAH perfect, one of my favorite movies!

What movie is it from?

[Just Me]

He IS Norv. You didn't know?

Tell him, Dkoby!
What movie is it from?

The Waterboy. You've seriously never watched it?

[Mothman]

The Waterboy. You've seriously never watched it?

No, I don't find Adam Sandler very funny...

[Just Me]

No, I don't find Adam Sandler very funny...

I'd agree with you on that, for the most part. The funniest parts of the movie are the other actors.

[Mothman]

I'd agree with you on that, for the most part. The funniest parts of the movie are the other actors.

In that case, maybe I'll give it a shot!

My favorite football movie in relatively recent years was "Leatherheads" which I highly recommend if you haven't seen it.