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Re: Week 13 Predictions: Seahawks at Vikings

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dead_poet wrote: This is one of my biggest criticisms. It's a legit issue. Some of his passes have been just a split-second too late when they didn't need to be. And he doesn't have the gun to complete them when he doesn't pull the trigger quick enough. Often he has the right reads and goes through his progressions decently but the slight hesitation has made a difference.
That late pass to Wallace in the first vine is a perfect example. He had him open coming across the field and waited too long to throw it, resulting in an incompletion.
He needs to be more decisive and confident in his receivers. I'm not getting that too much (the most with Diggs and to some extent recent Rudolph).
Eaxctly, the timing of the throws in this system is very important. He has to build trust with his receivers and he has to be willing to pull the trigger when it's time. If he waits too long and tries to "look" the receiver open, the window to complete the pass closes.
When he gets it out on time and sets his feet, he can be incredibly accurate. Below (same play, different angles): there's zero room for error on this pass.
You chose a great example. That's exactly the play I would have picked from the Atlanta game too. He hit the top of his drop and decisively threw the ball, on time and on target, to the open man. It's beautiful. He needs to play like that much more consistently.
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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency

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If the Vikings end up giving up on Teddy. I am going to laugh like hell when he wins the superbowl with another team and establishes himself as a top QB in the league.
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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency

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the Teddy of today would never accomplish that.......he doesnt show the tools. Just a nice calm guy that cant throw past 15-20 yards.....but , again. till he has OL.....we will never know. The vikes arent dumb enough to ggivvee up on him yet. I just hope they are smart and aggressive enough to build a damn OL very quickly.
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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency

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chicagopurple wrote:the Teddy of today would never accomplish that.......he doesnt show the tools. Just a nice calm guy that cant throw past 15-20 yards.
From 6 months ago but Teddy was ranked #2 in passes between 21-30 yards: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... passing-2/

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However 31-40 yards was/is a weakness.

It's not like he can't throw deep.

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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency

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AND take out the garbage time passes when teams went into prevent mode
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chicagopurple wrote:AND take out the garbage time passes when teams went into prevent mode
AND take out any passes where the defender may have stumbled.
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fiestavike wrote: AND take out any passes where the defender may have stumbled.
Pretty reasonable, I'm sure no other QB in the league ever benefited from either of those things.
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Re: Week 13 Predictions: Seahawks at Vikings

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dead_poet wrote: This is one of my biggest criticisms. It's a legit issue. Some of his passes have been just a split-second too late when they didn't need to be. And he doesn't have the gun to complete them when he doesn't pull the trigger quick enough. Often he has the right reads and goes through his progressions decently but the slight hesitation has made a difference.





He needs to be more decisive and confident in his receivers. I'm not getting that too much (the most with Diggs and to some extent recent Rudolph).

When he gets it out on time and sets his feet, he can be incredibly accurate. Below (same play, different angles): there's zero room for error on this pass.



Could we move this to my thread or the Teddy needs to be more consistent thread? I'm gonna talk about it more haha.

Some interesting things to note

1. He's under center for all of these and you can tell he's not comfortable, he just looks off to me.

2. Significant play action fake / turning his back to the D involved on all of them.

3. Look at how creative norv is! WR's run up and cut towards the sideline, literally in all 3, brilliant!

4. the first vine is a 30 yard side line throw (launches from the 15, receivers at the 45), I'm not sure what down / distance that is but seems pretty greedy and low % play call.

5. Because they're all side line throws, you're really throwing it further than the actual yard distance, again knowing Teddy's arm strength seems odd to me. You can tell he only has "one speed", you never see the ball with extra oomph on it but you never really see a duck either.

6. maybe these plays were picked specifically to group together but where are the plays over the middle of the field?! They seem to be so rare for our WR's.

7. I don't think those are guaranteed completions if he gets the ball out a half second earlier, at best I see a contested throw that our receivers have struggled to come up with. The first one he's really bad in, I like his footwork on the 2nd incomplete and the completion though, he's actively turning his lower body properly towards his targets and the technique looks good.

8. In the second incomplete play it looks like that's his 3rd read and on the opposite side of the field the play was intended for. I don't see a way that one gets completed regardless, he probably should have thrown it away.

9. On the completion, that's his first read so naturally the ball comes out on time and the receiver actually has a tiny bit of separation. Also maybe interesting or not, it's Rudolph who's a bigger body / perhaps a guy he trusts more. I see him throwing at the 46 and connecting at the 34ish yard line, while he's on the right hash and it's on the right side of the field. All things considered it's a much shorter pass than the first incomplete and right in Teddy's wheel house. More plays like that plz!


10. All three plays there literally isn't a receiver between the numbers, just all tough side line throws, wtf? Was this the 2 minute drill before the half or something where we couldn't afford to stay in bounds? I can't see a clock in any of them heh.
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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency

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At Mondry's request (and because it made sense) I've moved Dead-poet's post containing vines of some Bridgewater passes, and some replies to that post, into this thread.

Carry on... :)
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dead_poet wrote: This is one of my biggest criticisms. It's a legit issue. Some of his passes have been just a split-second too late when they didn't need to be. And he doesn't have the gun to complete them when he doesn't pull the trigger quick enough. Often he has the right reads and goes through his progressions decently but the slight hesitation has made a difference.





He needs to be more decisive and confident in his receivers. I'm not getting that too much (the most with Diggs and to some extent recent Rudolph).

When he gets it out on time and sets his feet, he can be incredibly accurate. Below (same play, different angles): there's zero room for error on this pass.



That first video is the on that would get Mike Wallace benched if it was up to me. He has his hands down at his waist as he backpedals away from the QB instead of high pointing the ball. As I said in another thread. That gets a HS player benched and chewed out, not sure on what grounds Wallace will be starting next week. :confused:
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Re: Week 13 Predictions: Seahawks at Vikings

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fiestavike wrote:
That first video is the on that would get Mike Wallace benched if it was up to me. He has his hands down at his waist as he backpedals away from the QB instead of high pointing the ball. As I said in another thread. That gets a HS player benched and chewed out, not sure on what grounds Wallace will be starting next week. :confused:
It does look like he could have stopped back pedaling and "attacked" the ball, the underneath coverage was still 10 yards away so it's not like he needed to keep making space.
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mondry wrote:4. the first vine is a 30 yard side line throw (launches from the 15, receivers at the 45), I'm not sure what down / distance that is but seems pretty greedy and low % play call.
I'm not sure what's greedy about it. Wallace got wide open on the play. Bridgewater threw it late so it didn't get to MW until he was near the sideline. If he'd thrown it on time instead of taking several hesitant steps, that would have been an easy completion. See below:

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8. In the second incomplete play it looks like that's his 3rd read and on the opposite side of the field the play was intended for. I don't see a way that one gets completed regardless, he probably should have thrown it away.
It was actually his second read. Only 2 WRs were out on that play. Everyone else was in to protect. Peterson chipped a defender and then went into the flat.
9. On the completion, that's his first read so naturally the ball comes out on time and the receiver actually has a tiny bit of separation. Also maybe interesting or not, it's Rudolph who's a bigger body / perhaps a guy he trusts more. I see him throwing at the 46 and connecting at the 34ish yard line, while he's on the right hash and it's on the right side of the field. All things considered it's a much shorter pass than the first incomplete and right in Teddy's wheel house. More plays like that plz!
They run a lot of them but you have to mix it up and threaten downfield.
10. All three plays there literally isn't a receiver between the numbers, just all tough side line throws, wtf? Was this the 2 minute drill before the half or something where we couldn't afford to stay in bounds? I can't see a clock in any of them heh
The first one took place with about 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. That shouldn't be a tough throw for an NFL QB.

The second play occurred with about 5 and a half minutes remaining in the second quarter.

The completion to Rudolph occurred midway through the first quarter. The slot receiver (Wallace?) is basically between the numbers on that play, although not working into the very middle of the field, if that's what you meant. He gets wide open on the play too because the safety follows Bridgewater's eyes to Rudolph. I have no problem with TB's choice to throw to his first read on the play but that's one to note for future reference. They might be able to turn it into a TD the next time they face that coverage.
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Re: Week 13 Predictions: Seahawks at Vikings

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Mothman wrote: I'm not sure what's greedy about it. Wallace got wide open on the play. Bridgewater threw it late so it didn't get to MW until he was near the sideline. If he'd thrown it on time instead of taking several hesitant steps, that would have been an easy completion. See below:

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It was actually his second read. Only 2 WRs were out on that play. Everyone else was in to protect. Peterson chipped a defender and then went into the flat.
They run a lot of them but you have to mix it up and threaten downfield.
The first one took place with about 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. That shouldn't be a tough throw for an NFL QB.

The second play occurred with about 5 and a half minutes remaining in the second quarter.

The completion to Rudolph occurred midway through the first quarter. The slot receiver (Wallace?) is basically between the numbers on that play, although not working into the very middle of the field, if that's what you meant. He gets wide open on the play too because the safety follows Bridgewater's eyes to Rudolph. I have no problem with TB's choice to throw to his first read on the play but that's one to note for future reference. They might be able to turn it into a TD the next time they face that coverage.
Now I see why Teddy hesitates to throw that ball, Wallace isn't even looking for the ball. It does no good that he's wide open there because he isn't ready to receive the ball when Teddy's first ready to throw it so now he has to double clutch and it throws the timing off. Man this passing game is a mess.
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Re: Week 13 Predictions: Seahawks at Vikings

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mondry wrote: Now I see why Teddy hesitates to throw that ball, Wallace isn't even looking for the ball. It does no good that he's wide open there because he isn't ready to receive the ball when Teddy's first ready to throw it so now he has to double clutch and it throws the timing off. Man this passing game is a mess.
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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency

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the passing game is certainly mess and it is a mess because of the quarterback. i'm so sick and tired of people trying to deflect much of this on wallace or the other receivers. wallace's track record speaks for itself; he's always dropped some balls but he's caught many more. if ryan tannehill can hook up to him on 10 touchdowns last year what in the world does that say?

teddy bridgewater is quite possibly the worst starting quarterback in the nfl. statistically, he is in the top 5. any quarterback who cannot develop some type of play action passing game with the best running back of this generation in the backfield has major problems. and truthfully, those problems are becoming more evident each week. whether we win or lose tomorrow, if you ask me, doesn't even matter if this passing game doesn't get rectified on so many levels.
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