Adrian Peterson Reinstated

[Purple bruise]

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Sorry for having an opinion

[Purple bruise]

Well there is no way in hell that they would ever do that but also consider the difference in salary/cap room and 6 years younger with none of the BS. I would definately make that trade.

Can you please share some of what you are smoking? There is no way in hell I would even consider that trade. AD>>>>Lacy. The biggest reason Lacy is as productive as he has been last season is because of Rodgers, without the best QB in the league he is not nearly as good as AP.[/quote]

Not sure what the hell you are talking about. I am the biggest Packer hater ever but IMO it would be foolish to think that Lacey is not an outstanding YOUNG running back with or without Rogers. Here is a small sampling:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... highlights

[dead_poet]

I am the biggest Packer hater ever but IMO it would be foolish to think that Lacey is not an outstanding YOUNG running back with or without Rogers. Here is a small sampling:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... highlights

In all seriousness if we're talking about current running back talent, Lacy is probably a top-6 running back in the league (in no particular order: Peterson, McCoy, Lynch, Charles, Murray, Lacy). Peterson is probably still #1 on that list. It'll probably be that way for the next 2-3 years (health pending). I could see wanting Lacy over Peterson in maybe 4-5 years. Not now. Heck, even in four more years the talent and production might be close between the two.

But I do think having an outstanding quarterback and passing game helps. That's not to say Lacy couldn't be a Jag and be putting up good numbers. I just find it hard to believe they'd equal (or exceed) what he's doing on a Rodgers-led team. YMMV.

[Purple bruise]

In all seriousness if we're talking about current running back talent, Lacy is probably a top-6 running back in the league (in no particular order: Peterson, McCoy, Lynch, Charles, Murray, Lacy). Peterson is probably still #1 on that list. It'll probably be that way for the next 2-3 years (health pending). I could see wanting Lacy over Peterson in maybe 4-5 years. Not now. Heck, even in four more years the talent and production might be close between the two.

But I do think having an outstanding quarterback and passing game helps. That's not to say Lacy couldn't be a Jag and be putting up good numbers. I just find it hard to believe they'd equal (or exceed) what he's doing on a Rodgers-led team. YMMV.

I see what you are saying but I am looking at the "big picture". AD's age (6 years older), AD's salary and cap numbers, Ad's shame and embarrasment that he has brought down onto himself and the Viking organization, Ad's injuries and surgery that will eventually catch up to him.
I would take him over Lynch, Charles, or Mcoy. It would be a toss up with Murray but I would take Lacey.
And so, in my most humble opinion, I would trade the two right now.

[The Breeze]

I think Lacey is really good and has potential to get significantly better with good health.

I would also pick Lynch over AD right now just for what he brings in the passing game and his smaller price tag. But any one of those 3 is a stud anyway you slice it.

[allday1991]

I think Lacey is really good and has potential to get significantly better with good health.

I would also pick Lynch over AD right now just for what he brings in the passing game and his smaller price tag. But any one of those 3 is a stud anyway you slice it.

Lynch was considered a bit of a dud his first few years, till he got to Seattle and Seattle got good he wasn't even top 10. For example he has only played a full 16 games of season 3 times in his 9 seasons which happens to be his last three with Seattle.

[The Breeze]

Lynch was considered a bit of a dud his first few years, till he got traded to Seattle and Seattle got good he wasn't even top 10.

Yeah....there's no way he can match AD in a career sense, but if I was given my choice out of those 3 guys for the next 4 years I'd take Marshawn only for the reasons I stated. AD on the current Seattle team would be really interesting too. Until I see otherwise, Lynch is the best of those 3 in all phases of the passing game.

[dead_poet]

I would also pick Lynch over AD right now just for what he brings in the passing game and his smaller price tag.

What does he bring to the passing game that's superior to Peterson? Lynch has caught an average of 29.88 passes per season (37 last year and a high of 47). Peterson has caught an average of 31 passes per season in seasons where he played at least 13 games (29 in 2013 and 40 in 2012 with a high of 43 in 2009). Peterson was poised for a big workload in the passing game under Turner, too. I haven't seen enough of Lynch in pass protection to see if he's head and shoulders above AD in that phase. Even if he's superior, Peterson is still the superior runner.

Regarding the price tag, it's been said that the Seahawks have offered Lynch $11-12 million for 2015 ($9 million in 2016), surprisingly on par with Peterson (at least in 2015).

Injury-wise, Peterson is healthier than Lynch. It's been said Lynch is considering retirement due to injury (chronic back issues).

[dead_poet]

Law professor says Judge Doty messed up Adrian Peterson case

...Abrams concludes that the NFL should win its appeal. Long story short: Peterson is right back where he started and figures, at least in the opinion of one legal expert, to stay there.

http://blog.startribune.com/sports/rand ... erson-case

[The Breeze]

What does he bring to the passing game that's superior to Peterson? Lynch has caught an average of 29.88 passes per season (37 last year and a high of 47). Peterson has caught an average of 31 passes per season in seasons where he played at least 13 games (29 in 2013 and 40 in 2012 with a high of 43 in 2009). Peterson was poised for a big workload in the passing game under Turner, too. I haven't seen enough of Lynch in pass protection to see if he's head and shoulders above AD in that phase. Even if he's superior, Peterson is still the superior runner.

Regarding the price tag, it's been said that the Seahawks have offered Lynch $11-12 million for 2015 ($9 million in 2016), surprisingly on par with Peterson (at least in 2015).

Injury-wise, Peterson is healthier than Lynch. It's been said Lynch is considering retirement due to injury (chronic back issues).

I wasn't referring to # of catches but the fact the Lynch is able to run deep patterns and catch the ball over his shoulder on the run whereas Peterson's main function as a pass receiver has been the dump off guy when all things break down. I really like that Seattle can put him on the outside and get him one on one with a LB and have it be a legit option. I one who believes that the established threat of an option is just about as important on offense as the repeated use of said option. I've seen him to be really solid in pass protection.....but Wilson's pocket presence is way above par IMO. I didn't ever focus on Lynch until Carroll got to Seattle, so my take is not very deep in that sense. I would really like to see AD in Turner's system and see him become a real option in the pass game. I hope that happens this season.

My price tag comment was probably off base considering what he will make in the next 4 years as opposed what he's earned in the past 5 compared to AD. I wasn't thinking realistically there. Provided I'm ever in a position to actually decide these kinds of things, I will most definitely have people of your ilk around me to help me make sense.

I didn't know his retirement consideration was due to back stuff....I thought he was just bored with much of it. That's a big consideration.

Ultimately, and I am in the minority here, I just like Lynch and his overall attitude better than Peterson's. They are both top tier guys and bring a huge capacity to effect defenses. I don't know if I believe that AD on the Seahawks makes them significantly better. They were one play from being back to back champs and the difference might have been not handing it to Lynch in the end, how much better could they be? I'm not convinced they couldn't have done equally well with AD either. For some reason I find it easier to root and be fan for Lynch. So, as a fan I'd pick Lynch...as a GM it may be a coin flip except for Lynch's back.

[The Breeze]

Law professor says Judge Doty messed up Adrian Peterson case
http://blog.startribune.com/sports/rand ... erson-case

So, that means if the NFL wins the appeal that he is back to being suspended?

I'm confused about how he become 'unsuspended' by Doty's ruling. As far as I'm concerned the real issue is resolved assuming they are given the continued access to directly negotiate with him come March 10th

[Raptorman]

So, that means if the NFL wins the appeal that he is back to being suspended?

I'm confused about how he become 'unsuspended' by Doty's ruling. As far as I'm concerned the real issue is resolved assuming they are given the continued access to directly negotiate with him come March 10th

By the time the court decision comes down April 15th will have come and gone. The NFL has to do something by then or they will appear to be nothing but vindictive.

[dead_poet]

I wasn't referring to # of catches but the fact the Lynch is able to run deep patterns and catch the ball over his shoulder on the run whereas Peterson's main function as a pass receiver has been the dump off guy when all things break down.

How often does Lynch run deep patterns? He ran that one in the Super Bowl. Others? I'd be incredibly surprised but feel free to post examples. Running back route trees are usually pretty similar. They run few deep intermediate to deep patterns.

I really like that Seattle can put him on the outside and get him one on one with a LB and have it be a legit option.

I'd be surprised if that happened nay more often than it did with Peterson. Lynch one-on-one with a LB is no more of a threat than Peterson in the same situation.

I would really like to see AD in Turner's system and see him become a real option in the pass game. I hope that happens this season.

Me too. I've been waiting for that since he was drafted.

I didn't know his retirement consideration was due to back stuff....I thought he was just bored with much of it. That's a big consideration.

Yeah. He's had chronic back injuries for awhile now.

I just like Lynch and his overall attitude better than Peterson's.

I like his game and always thought he was a talented runner but if I remember right he wore out his welcome in Buffalo with his antics and off-field behavior. I think he was arrested/suspended for weapons charges, had a hit-and-run, theft at Applebees and DUI. His Buffalo time wasn't very rosy, especially at the end (evidenced by netting all of a fourth-rounder from Seattle). It seems as though he matured, though, which is good.

I don't know if I believe that AD on the Seahawks makes them significantly better. They were one play from being back to back champs and the difference might have been not handing it to Lynch in the end, how much better could they be? I'm not convinced they couldn't have done equally well with AD either. For some reason I find it easier to root and be fan for Lynch. So, as a fan I'd pick Lynch...as a GM it may be a coin flip except for Lynch's back.

I don't think the talent gap from Peterson to Lynch is as far as from Peterson to some other backs, but I think he's still the best running back. We probably wouldn't be having this debate if we had 16 games of Adrian Peterson in 2014 to reflect on. It's easy to forget how good the guy is and focus on Lynch when we've seen Lynch with some great runs in 2014 while Peterson was at home or in a courtroom.

[The Breeze]

By the time the court decision comes down April 15th will have come and gone. The NFL has to do something by then or they will appear to be nothing but vindictive.

And the April 15 date is just a threshold for them to consider reinstatement?

With the way AD has been cooperating with Darth Goodell's demands recently, I'm optimistic(because evidently I'm an idiot) that Goodell will reinstate him.

In the meantime they have a decent window to kiss and make up or find amicable way to part.

I think this is about over then. It's all about negotiations now....no?

[Mothman]

Law professor says Judge Doty messed up Adrian Peterson case
http://blog.startribune.com/sports/rand ... erson-case

Well, if he and the Vikings take advantage of this window during which they can communicate and sort things out, it shouldn't matter. Unless Peterson fails to comply with the rules the league set out for him or Goodell decides to be vengeful, Peterson should still get reinstated in mid-April anyway.