Mothman wrote:
Rumors, rumors, rumors... These guys all keep throwing you-know-what at the wall to see what will stick. Maybe it happened. Maybe an alternate version of it happened. I don't care. I'm getting really tired of rumors from undisclosed sources and NFL "insiders". We're a month and a half away from the point where Peterson can be reinstated and and the Vikings can talk to him directly and that's a lot of time. I wouldn't be surprised if the media has him cut, traded and back with the Vikings at least 2 or 3 times by then. Meanwhile, he's under contract and not going anywhere unless the Vikes allow it. Peterson seems to respect Zimmer and Zimmer seems to want to talk to Peterson so after April 15th, assuming Peterson gets reinstated, that conversation will probably happen and then we'll see where things go from there. Up to that point, unless the Vikings decide to trade Peterson before ever getting a chance to talk to him, all these rumors and claims from the media are probably meaningless.
Exactly.
That is exactly right. The problem that others and myself have is that since that is the case, NOTHING can be done until 15th. EVERYONE should shut their mouths about it. And since the Vikings aren't running their mouths about it, everyone boils downs to AP's camp. AP's camp needs to clam up until the 15th otherwise its simply pure posturing to get out of here, which is pretty disgusting.
Mothman wrote:
Rumors, rumors, rumors... These guys all keep throwing you-know-what at the wall to see what will stick. Maybe it happened. Maybe an alternate version of it happened. I don't care. I'm getting really tired of rumors from undisclosed sources and NFL "insiders". We're a month and a half away from the point where Peterson can be reinstated and the Vikings can talk to him directly and that's a lot of time. I wouldn't be surprised if the media has him cut, traded and back with the Vikings at least 2 or 3 times by then. Meanwhile, he's under contract and not going anywhere unless the Vikes allow it. Peterson seems to respect Zimmer and Zimmer seems to want to talk to Peterson so after April 15th, assuming Peterson gets reinstated, that conversation will probably happen and then we'll see where things go from there. Up to that point, unless the Vikings decide to trade Peterson before ever getting a chance to talk to him, all these rumors and claims from the media are probably meaningless.
This happened on Thursday!? I missed that. Hard to believe the first we hear of it is Monday if there is any validity to this thing.
It just makes sense will all of the drama and all of the DAL discussion before any of this even happened to end this relationship now, with such a depth at RB in this years class it's time to move on from this and let this team continue to grow without AD in the backfield. With that being said, a 1st round pick is a must in any scenario IMO.
EXACTLY! Especially when none of this happened because of the misbehavior of a Vikes Team Official. It all begins and ends with AP's poor choices and Goodells ineptitude.Taking it out the Spielman, et al, is just sour grapes.
Mothman wrote:
Rumors, rumors, rumors... These guys all keep throwing you-know-what at the wall to see what will stick. Maybe it happened. Maybe an alternate version of it happened. I don't care. I'm getting really tired of rumors from undisclosed sources and NFL "insiders". We're a month and a half away from the point where Peterson can be reinstated and the Vikings can talk to him directly and that's a lot of time. I wouldn't be surprised if the media has him cut, traded and back with the Vikings at least 2 or 3 times by then. Meanwhile, he's under contract and not going anywhere unless the Vikes allow it. Peterson seems to respect Zimmer and Zimmer seems to want to talk to Peterson so after April 15th, assuming Peterson gets reinstated, that conversation will probably happen and then we'll see where things go from there. Up to that point, unless the Vikings decide to trade Peterson before ever getting a chance to talk to him, all these rumors and claims from the media are probably meaningless.
True. And who knows, maybe Dogra called Brzezinski's wife easy or something. We're not privy to what was said. It's just assumptions. But there's probably some smoke to this, the question is how much and can it eventually be put out?
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Vikings28 wrote:All the rumours and speculation from media might be meaningless but look at the comments Peterson has made. Doesn't sound like someone who is too eager to get back to the Vikings.
He sounds understandably conflicted but again, his reinstatement date is over a month and a half away so unless the Vikes trade him before that point, how he feels now is lot less relevant than how he'll feel then, when they can actually communicate with him again.
IrishViking wrote:Exactly.
That is exactly right. The problem that others and myself have is that since that is the case, NOTHING can be done until 15th. EVERYONE should shut their mouths about it. And since the Vikings aren't running their mouths about it, everyone boils downs to AP's camp. AP's camp needs to clam up until the 15th otherwise its simply pure posturing to get out of here, which is pretty disgusting.
The Vikes have been "running their mouth" and posturing at every opportunity. Zimmer, Spielman, Mark Wilf, Kevin Warren... they've all made public statements about wanting Peterson back. The difference is that some people didn't like what Peterson had to say so consequently, he's portrayed as a simplistic "idiot" who should just shut up. If he'd said he can't wait to come back and play for the Vikings, I doubt there'd be a single voice saying he should just keep quiet until he gets reinstated.
A lot will happen between now and 4/15.....if they lose AD I don't think it merits a 1st round pick of a RB.
I think they have a real gem in McKinnon and the running game was a plus before his injury occurred.
I really feel that the evolution of this team hinges on the development of TB and to no lessor degree the defense.
I think they could take a huge step up next year and Peterson would be a significant wildcard in that mix......but not even close to the end all of any success or failure.
Just hard to watch it all going so ugly.....but it could all smooth out when they talk later on.
Mothman wrote:
He sounds understandably conflicted but again, his reinstatement date is over a month and a half away so unless the Vikes trade him before that point, how he feels now is lot less relevant than how he'll feel then, when they can actually communicate with him again. The Vikes have been "running their mouth" and posturing at every opportunity. Zimmer, Spielman, Mark Wilf, Kevin Warren... they've all made public statements about wanting Peterson back. The difference is that some people didn't like what Peterson had to say so consequently, he's portrayed as a simplistic "idiot" who should just shut up. If he'd said he can't wait to come back and play for the Vikings, I doubt there'd be a single voice saying he should just keep quiet until he gets reinstated.
Nice...
I missed the comments where the front office and the coach said the trust was broken and AP did this that or the other things... If I missed them I would be very interested in reading them. So far all I have heard from the Viking camp is the "right" stuff publicly. If the "wrong" stuff was said privately. AP should have responded privately.
Believe it or not I actually disagree with the way he has handled himself. I am not knee jerkingly kicking the wall and crying. I actually morally disagree with how he is handling his business. I honestly couldn't care less if he goes or stays. I was extremely happy with our running game last year and see no reason why we should desperately want him back. At this point I would prefer he goes somewhere else because I don't feel his value is as high as most of us imagine it to be (myself included in some moments) On an extremely personal level I hope he goes somewhere he dislikes, petty I know, not because "He hurt me bad" but because I feel that HIS personal choices through this have been immature and I was taught two wrongs don't make a right. People lash out at you, high ground. People say petty things, hold your tongue. Just do your business as best you can and move on. I WAS extremely impressed with AP following the "scandal" and sincerely hope he is reinstated, even if it means an immediate trade. But I am been very disappointed in his actions from a personal opinion stand point. Which in the end, is all that matters to each fan.
Clarification before you all see it I my petty wish for him to go somewhere he doesn't want to may seem like a wrong to a wrong. I really just hope that, what I see as his bad behavior, isn't rewarded by going where he wants.
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The Breeze wrote:A lot will happen between now and 4/15.....if they lose AD I don't think it merits a 1st round pick of a RB.
I think they have a real gem in McKinnon and the running game was a plus before his injury occurred.
I really feel that the evolution of this team hinges on the development of TB and to no lessor degree the defense.
I think they could take a huge step up next year and Peterson would be a significant wildcard in that mix......but not even close to the end all of any success or failure.
Just hard to watch it all going so ugly.....but it could all smooth out when they talk later on.
My goal for a sans Peterson team would be to build an offensive line effective enough to give Asiata 5.0 yards per carry. Then draft a RB in the 4th round who can get us 5.2 YPC.
fiestavike wrote:
My goal for a sans Peterson team would be to build an offensive line effective enough to give Asiata 5.0 yards per carry. Then draft a RB in the 4th round who can get us 5.2 YPC.
Wasn't McKinnon already close to that last year?
I agree about fixing the line and a later round RB. I just think they have a lot of expectations for that kid....and that he's generally being written off here.
I think he can handle a larger load than most are suggesting.
Either way, I'd rather them get a blue chipper on defense than a highly touted RB if Peterson does wind up elsewhere.
I think I'm past the point of caring, really. Part of me would prefer a fresh start with a young back without the baggage.
I have no doubt that there's info that we don't have that is the core of the issue. It may be beyond repair at this point and best for all involved to move on.
The Breeze wrote:
Wasn't McKinnon already close to that last year?
I agree about fixing the line and a later round RB. I just think they have a lot of expectations for that kid....and that he's generally being written off here.
I think he can handle a larger load than most are suggesting.
Either way, I'd rather them get a blue chipper on defense than a highly touted RB if Peterson does wind up elsewhere.
My point is, imagine what McKinnon could do behind a line that gives Asiate 5 yards a pop.
I like Asiata as a short yardage guy and a platoon with McKinnon and another guy. My concern with McKinnon is just durability. Back surgery is no joke, and not a great way to end his first year in the league, but I don't write him off at all.
The Vikes have been "running their mouth" and posturing at every opportunity. Zimmer, Spielman, Mark Wilf, Kevin Warren... they've all made public statements about wanting Peterson back. The difference is that some people didn't like what Peterson had to say so consequently, he's portrayed as a simplistic "idiot" who should just shut up. If he'd said he can't wait to come back and play for the Vikings, I doubt there'd be a single voice saying he should just keep quiet until he gets reinstated.
