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Nope Turners system is complicated give the rookie a little while to get settled in.maembe wrote: Anyone who can't beat out Cassel probably isn't worth drafting. If we draft a qb in the 1st or 2nd round he should be the starter game 1.
One question on my Mind: Can Cassel stay healthy all season?Slick Rick wrote:He should have a clean slate. This is a new regime, a new year, and if Norv thinks that Ponder is the best QB on the roster for whatever reason, I would expect that that's who he'd use. We don't need to get caught up in last year, or his rookie year, or the handful of games where he was mediocre in 2012, because they honestly don't matter any more than Matt Cassel's stats from 2 years ago with the Chiefs, or from 6 years ago with New England.
I predict Matt Cassel will win the job, unless a rookie like JFB/TBW/Bortles comes in and steals the job during training camp. Ponder just doesn't seem like he can put it together as a pro, but I think Norv Turner likes him a little bit, and believes that he has a chance at winning the job this year or at least maybe platooning with Cassel. I don't disagree with him, because Ponder is good at certain things (other than interceptions), whether we like to admit it or not. He can move around and make plays when there isn't one down the field, he has a decent arm, and when he's on a roll sometimes he looks downright unstoppable. I could still see him being what we thought he was going to be, but he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt like he did the last 2 years.
That's funny. Holmgren wanted to bench Favre many times early in his career but Mooch had to talk him out of it. If it hadn't been for Mooch there, Farve may have never made it.KSViking wrote:Working with Ponder, they might have consoled Mike Holmgren. (meaning Frazier and Spielman)
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He might end up being a terrific NFL quarterback but he's the "top" QB prospect who concerns me most as a possible choice for the Vikings because his size seems to be the main reason he's ranked highly. I know it's not the only reason but if he was built like Bridgewater or Manziel, I seriously doubt he'd be ranked toward the top of the first round.fiestavike wrote: I will admit that QB analysis is my weakest point so, for all I know, Bortles will be great. I have had to rely on what I have read about him and frankly, I am concerned. If I have to hear another time about his frame as a reason he is a match for the Vikings I will...I willl.....continue to be annoyed.
The last thing I heard on the radio was the Bortles had a great build and size/strength combo, and then that "if he can improve his accuracy" he has a chance to be very good.
So he looks the part but he's not very accurate? I don't know, I'm not saying he's bad but I'm still waiting to hear something good about him that doesn't revolve around his physical size.
He has the same size and arm as one Mr. Ryan Leaf.Mothman wrote: He might end up being a terrific NFL quarterback but he's the "top" QB prospect who concerns me most as a possible choice for the Vikings because his size seems to be the main reason he's ranked highly. I know it's not the only reason but if he was built like Bridgewater or Manziel, I seriously doubt he'd be ranked toward the top of the first round.
What's the basis for thinking Bortles has accuracy problems? His 9.4 ypa average and nearly 68% completion rate look comparable to the other top QBs.Mothman wrote: He might end up being a terrific NFL quarterback but he's the "top" QB prospect who concerns me most as a possible choice for the Vikings because his size seems to be the main reason he's ranked highly. I know it's not the only reason but if he was built like Bridgewater or Manziel, I seriously doubt he'd be ranked toward the top of the first round.
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Player Comp Att Pct Yds Yds/A Long TD INT Sacked
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Blake Bortles 259 382 67.8 3581 9.4 91 25 9 21
Teddy Bridgewater 303 427 71.0 3970 9.3 69 31 4 23
Derek Carr 453 659 68.7 5082 7.7 75 50 8 11
Johnny Manziel 300 429 69.9 4114 9.6 95 37 13 19
This sums it up:Eli wrote:What's the basis for thinking Bortles has accuracy problems? His 9.4 ypa average and nearly 68% completion rate look comparable to the other top QBs.
Bortles' best throws are on the shorter passes (15 yards and less). The further downfield he throws, the less accurate he becomes. His ability to throw the deep ball is average at best. Many of his longer plays, that I saw, were actually shorter passes with long runs after the catch. He has good arm strength, but he does not have a cannon. While he can throw a tight ball, he also throws a lot of balls that “flutter”.
