Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?

[mosscarter]

you bama fans like to poison trees. aside from physical altercations at games that documentary was one of the most disgusting things i've ever seen. a ton of planning went into killing those historical trees; that man needs serious mental help.

[Slick Rick]

Hate to burst a lot of people's bubbles, but Johnny Football ain't gonna be there at #8. I'm kind of glad too, because I'm just not sure about him. He isn't really a pro QB, but he has a lot of talent. I think Bridgewater and Bortles are better prospects anyways.

[Funkytown]

you bama fans like to poison trees. aside from physical altercations at games that documentary was one of the most disgusting things i've ever seen. a ton of planning went into killing those historical trees; that man needs serious mental help.

I just had to look this up. I had no idea what you were talking about. But yeah, bizarre. People are really freakin' dumb sometimes.

[Purple bruise]

Hate to burst a lot of people's bubbles, but Johnny Football ain't gonna be there at #8. I'm kind of glad too, because I'm just not sure about him. He isn't really a pro QB, but he has a lot of talent. I think Bridgewater and Bortles are better prospects anyways.

I do not think that he will be there either and if he is I doubt that the Vikings will draft him or any other of the QBs in the first round. I think that their first round might be traded for more picks.

[Purple Domination]

Maybe we can fleece the Cowboys and trade our pick: http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/28/dallas-cow ... nfl-draft/

Nothing easier than taking advantage of Jerry Jones on draft day

[The Breeze]

If anyone got bailed out it would seem to be A@M, by JFB.

[frosted]

This topic went downhill fast..good grief.

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[King James]

I have been an FSU fan my whole life. And in the last 20 years they both have won 3 national titles. But the one that counts most to me is the LAST one! You sound like a Packer fan talking crap about how many championships they have one What have they done lately

What has Bama done lately. Let's consider the fact that they're the top recruiting class in the country. Just last year we were national champions so don't act like we haven't done anything recently. FSU has one championship in like over a decade, now all of a sudden you act like FSU has been this good for years. You sound just like a typical fan who isn't used to your team winning anything.

Haven't seen a FSU post on this message board all year until now after they won the championship. But whatever. Yall have a good QB, which who is a beast, and the key reason to your team's success. Alabama as a TEAM though. Take Winston off and you guys will be looking like how Texas A&M is about to be without Manziel. Yall will just be back to being one of those teams who just barely won enough game to be bowl eligible. While teams like Bama, LSU, Auburn, and other SEC teams continue to contend for championships.

Oh yeah who will have more 1st round drafted players come out this year between Florida State and Bama? What have we done lately? Neither Florida State or Texas A&M deserves to be in the same conversation as Bama. When you can successfully build a dynasty like us, and remain relevant for more than one season, then MAYBE we can include these teams in the same brass as Bama.

What have we done lately? You crack me up!!! ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!

[Texas Vike]

Really man? Posts like this are just stupid and childish. Anyone can just post something 20 times doesn't make it fact. If you want to convice people of it give some stats or video or something. Johnny had an elite weapon in Evans, what would you like him to do? not use him at all? that'd be more of a knock on him than relying on him in pressure situations. I just wanna show you how stupid saying this is...

Johnny Manziel (without Mike Evans)
Yards: 2720 TD's: 25

AJ McCarron (with everyone)
Yards: 3063 TD's: 28

So Johnny without Mike Evans is 300 yards and 3 tds behind McCarron (basically 1 game) and this is under the assumption that whoever took Evans place put up NO YARDS and NO TDS.

my second point is that you assume Evans is the only thing making Johnny a good passer and that McCarron is more of a distributor using all of his weapons instead of relying on one. Look at the stats of Manziels 2nd, 3rd, and 4th recievers compared to McCarron's 1st, 2nd and 3rd

A&M Recievers 2-4 YARDS TD's
#2 Derel Walker 818 5
#3 Malcome Kennedy 658 7
#4 Travis Labhart 626 8

Bama Recievers 1-3 YARDS TD's
#1 Amari Cooper 736 4
#2 Kevin Norwood 568 7
#3 DeAndrew White 534 4

So as anyone can see Manziel gets more yards and touchdowns to his 2nd 3rd and 4th recievers (none named Mike Evans) than McCarron to his 1st 2nd and 3rd. So stop with the stupid Evans bails out Manziel crap, he does more outside of Evans than McCarron does period.

My final point is that if you want to bring up "Bailed Out" McCarron had the 5th ranked defense in the nation. Manziel had the 109th. McCarrons running back had 1235 yards 6.0 AVG., 14 TD's. Manziels running back had 551 yards, 4.8 AVG., 10 TD's. To add to this Manziel had 200 more yards rushing and one less TD than his top running back. McCarron's head coach is 74–15 all time, has won 4 National Championships and is a 2x AP Coach of the Year. Manziels coach is 20–6 and has rode Manziels coat tails to any bit of success he's had. By definition Bailed out means you doing nothing and someone else comes to help you. as good as Evans is Manziel still has to get him the ball, often through double teams. McCarron only has to not utterly and completely piss the game down his leg to win, If he was asked to put the team on his back like Manziel was (and he will in the NFL) he'd #### his pants and throw checkdowns like a ponder clone (or lob it to Evans if he had that option), therefore if anyones being "Bailed out" its your boy AJ hands down.

Really thorough and convincing argument. Thanks for killing the stock in my "Mike Evans bailed out JFB" company.

This topic has pretty much become a litmus test for me to see which posters are sensible and capable of seeing the big picture and those that latch onto an argument and marry themselves to it despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Evans is great at winning 50/50 balls. But Manziel had the rocks to go for it and let Evans do his thing. I don't see how that is a negative thing. His college performance speaks for itself.

[Mothman]

Really thorough and convincing argument. Thanks for killing the stock in my "Mike Evans bailed out JFB" company.

This topic has pretty much become a litmus test for me to see which posters are sensible and capable of seeing the big picture and those that latch onto an argument and marry themselves to it despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Evans is great at winning 50/50 balls. But Manziel had the rocks to go for it and let Evans do his thing. I don't see how that is a negative thing. His college performance speaks for itself.

I agree but on the other hand, Loki's post underlined the differences in philosophy between the two teams which serves to somewhat undermine any purely statistical comparison (and it would be an understatement to say a comment like "McCarron only has to not utterly and completely piss the game down his leg to win" is a purely subjective point of view).

I don't think it's fair to assume a QB on a team that wanted to emphasize defense and run the ball can't be a more prolific passer simply because he wasn't often asked to be one and naturally, a team that chooses to lean on it's passing game is going to end up having receivers with bigger numbers than a team like Alabama, that doesn't go that route. I understand that the talent of the players in question likely had some influence on the approach taken but it's not a strike against McCarron that he did the job he was asked to do and it extremely successfully. It IS a feather in Manziel's cap (helmet) that his team was able to lean on him and he delivered.

I think the idea that JFB isn't very good and was just repeatedly "bailed out" by Evans is ridiculous but I think it's equally ridiculous to demean McCarron's contributions to Alabama's success by suggesting he essentially contributed nothing beyond takings naps and not screwing up.

Which, if either, of these two QBs will be successful in the pros is anybody's guess but it's pretty clear to me they both have a chance. McCarron may need to land on a team where he can play the dreaded role of game manager again and Manziel... well, he's clearly a natural but he's going to have to learn to work more from the pocket, take what defenses give him more often and hope the chances he took so successfully in college don't become turnovers in the NFL (and that the running he loves to do doesn't get him killed).

That's my two cents anyway.

[Purple bruise]

What has Bama done lately. Let's consider the fact that they're the top recruiting class in the country. Just last year we were national champions so don't act like we haven't done anything recently. FSU has one championship in like over a decade, now all of a sudden you act like FSU has been this good for years. You sound just like a typical fan who isn't used to your team winning anything.

Haven't seen a FSU post on this message board all year until now after they won the championship. But whatever. Yall have a good QB, which who is a beast, and the key reason to your team's success. Alabama as a TEAM though. Take Winston off and you guys will be looking like how Texas A&M is about to be without Manziel. Yall will just be back to being one of those teams who just barely won enough game to be bowl eligible. While teams like Bama, LSU, Auburn, and other SEC teams continue to contend for championships.

Oh yeah who will have more 1st round drafted players come out this year between Florida State and Bama? What have we done lately? Neither Florida State or Texas A&M deserves to be in the same conversation as Bama. When you can successfully build a dynasty like us, and remain relevant for more than one season, then MAYBE we can include these teams in the same brass as Bama.

What have we done lately? You crack me up!!! ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!

As I said they both have won 3 national championships in the last 20 years, FSU with the last one. So get a grip. JFB, facing that vaunted defense, threw for 464 yds. and and 5 TDs and rushed for another 98 yds. for a total of 562 yards of offense.

[S197]

This topic went downhill fast..good grief.

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Yes, it has. Lets get back on topic.

[UltraNasty850]

It will be Bortles or Manziel at number 8. I'm fine with either one. Johnny and AP would be a very dangerous duo (until Johnny gets hurt).

I wouldn't mind drafting Johnny. If he pays off it could be a HUGE deal.

I also wouldn't mind Bortles. With the best RB in the game, we don't NEED a scrambling QB. Bortles big size and arm could be exactly what we need.

Question is... whos smarter? Who has the better football mind? I would have to say Johnny at this point, but I could be very wrong.

Next Thursday will be a great day, hopefully.

SKOL

[Husker Vike]

I would doubt that Manziel would be available with pick #8, I hope we take best available player with the #8 pick or trade down because I dont think any of these top QB prospects are a sure thing. I would love to have a chance at Mack and then see which QB's are available in Rd 2, I like Brett Smith as a prospect and he will be available in later rounds. We desperately need to fix our defense first.

[Pondering Her Percy]

It will be Bortles or Manziel at number 8. I'm fine with either one. Johnny and AP would be a very dangerous duo (until Johnny gets hurt).

I wouldn't mind drafting Johnny. If he pays off it could be a HUGE deal.

I also wouldn't mind Bortles. With the best RB in the game, we don't NEED a scrambling QB. Bortles big size and arm could be exactly what we need.

Question is... whos smarter? Who has the better football mind? I would have to say Johnny at this point, but I could be very wrong.

Next Thursday will be a great day, hopefully.

SKOL

I'm just not a big Bortles fan at all. He throws off his back foot wayyy to often which causes the ball to float through the air. Also, he is not a QB that sits in the pocket and goes through his progressions. He bails out of the pocket fairly quick. Not as quick as Manziel but quick enough. To be honest, I don't want either of them.


My current top 3 (no specific order)

-Derek Carr
-Zach Mettenberger
-Teddy Bridgewater

....I would take any of those 3 in a heartbeat. They also fit Turner's offense better than Bortles or Manziel would. We need a guy that sticks in the pocket and goes through his progressions. The great thing is, there is a decent chance that all 3 of these guys could still be there in the 2nd round. That is why I don't believe we need pull the trigger on a QB at 8. Go LB or CB in the 1st and look to snag one of my top 3 in the 2nd.