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:arrow: As for all mocks, this is just my prediction of how things could go, not saying anything is set in stone. As for the free agents I had us sign, some may say that 6 is too many but 3 out of the 6 are on 1 year deals and 1 is on a cheaper 2 year deal.

:arrow: I also added in the entire 1st round and part of the 2nd round as well. But stopped after out first 2nd round pick because predicting anything after that is nearly impossible.


Team Needs

-Current Offensive Needs:
• QB (Starter and depth)
• RB (2nd string)
• WR (Depth)
• LG (Starter)
• OT (Depth)

-Current Defensive Needs:
• DE (Starter and Depth)
• DT (Starting 1 technique (NT) and depth at both)
• LB (Starter at MIKE and WILL)
• CB (Starter on outside and Depth)
• S (Possible starter)

-Current Special Teams Needs:
• N/A



In-House Re-signings
• DE- Everson Griffen (~5 years, $25 million)
• OT- J’Marcus Webb (2 years)
• WR- Jerome Simpson (1 year)
• C- Joe Berger (1 year)
• DT- Fred Evans (1 year)
• RB- Matt Asiata (ERFA)
• LB- Larry Dean (RFA)
• CB/PR- Marcus Sherels (RFA)


In-House Let Walk
• QB- Josh Freeman
• RB- Toby Gerhart
• WR- Joe Webb
• OG- Charlie Johnson
• OG- Seth Olsen
• DE- Jared Allen
• DT- Kevin Williams
• LB- Desmond Bishop
• LB- Marvin Mitchell
• CB- Chris Cook


Restructured Contracts
• LB- Chad Greenway


Notable Cuts
• LB- Erin Henderson (saves ~$2 million)
• TE- John Carlson (saves ~$4 million)
• DT- Letroy Guion (saves ~$4 million)
• SS- Jamarca Sanford (saves ~$2 million)
* Total Savings ~$12 million*


Trades
• Christian Ponder is traded to the Philadelphia Eagles for a 6th round pick.


Free Agency
• CB- Alterraun Verner (~5 years, $40 million)
-I'm a big fan of Verner and believe we need veteran presence in our secondary. With his former DC running the secondary and Mike Zimmer being highly regarded, I think Verner has a solid chance to sign with us.
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• LG- Zane Beadles (~4 years, $16 million)
-Beadles has had his ups and downs but is a former pro-bowler and a definite upgrade over Charlie Johnson. I don't think we need to break the bank on a guard and I think Beadles falls under that "middle of the road" category.
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• S- Kendrick Lewis (~2 years, $4 million)
-Lewis has struggled with injuries at times but when playing, he has shown a lot of promise. He is a fierce run defender and his best attribute could very well be his coverage.
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• DT- Pat Sims (1 year)
-Sims is a former Bengal and will know Zimmer's defense very well. He provides depth along the defensive line but I can't see him commanding much money.
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• DE- Daniel Te’o Nesheim (1 year)
-Te'o Nesheim showed some promise just a season ago racking up 4 sacks. He is probably more suited for a 3-4 defense but I believe he could provide quality depth in Mike Zimmer's aggressive 4-3 defense.
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• QB- Jason Campbell (1 year)
-Campbell has already had a year under his belt with OC Norv Turner and can provide guidance with the young QB we draft.
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2014 NFL Draft

Round 1

1. Houston- QB, Blake Bortles- UCF

TRADE: The St. Louis Rams trade away #2 overall to the Atlanta Falcons for their 1st round pick (6th), 2nd round pick (37th), and 2015 1st round pick.

2. Atlanta (via StL via WAS)- DE, Jadaveon Clowney- South Carolina
3. Jacksonville- QB, Johnny Manziel- Texas A&M
4. Cleveland- QB, Teddy Bridewater- Louisville
5. Oakland- WR, Sammy Watkins- Clemson
6. St. Louis (via ATL)- OT, Greg Robinson- Auburn
7. Tampa Bay- DE/OLB, Khalil Mack- Buffalo

TRADE: The Minnesota Vikings trade away #8 overall to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their 1st round pick (15th) and 2nd round pick (46th)

8. Pittsburgh (via MIN)- OT, Jake Matthews- Texas A&M
9. Buffalo- TE, Eric Ebron- North Carolina
10. Detroit- CB, Justin Gilbert- Oklahoma St.
11. Tennessee- DE/OLB, Anthony Barr- UCLA


TRADE: The New York Giants trade away #12 overall to the New York Jets for their 1st round pick (19th), 3rd round pick (80th), and 2015 6th round pick.

12. NY Jets (via NYG)- WR, Mike Evans- Texas A&M
13. St. Louis- S, Calvin Pryor- Louisville
14. Chicago- DT, Timmy Jernigan- Florida St.
15. Minnesota (via PIT)- NT, Louis Nix III- Notre Dame
16. Baltimore- ILB, CJ Mosely- Alabama
17. Dallas- S, Haha Clinton-Dix- Alabama
18. NY Giants (via NYJ)- OG/OT, Zack Martin- Notre Dame
19. Miami- OT, Taylor Lewan- Michigan
20. Arizona- OT, Morgan Moses- Virginia
21. Green Bay- TE, Jace Amaro- Texas Tech
22. Philadelphia- CB, Darqueze Dennard- Michigan St.
23. Kansas City- WR, Marqise Lee- USC
24. Cincinnati- DE, Dee Ford- Auburn
25. San Diego- CB, Bradley Roby- Ohio St.
26. Cleveland (via IND)- WR, Jarvis Landry- LSU
27. New Orleans- DE, Kony Ealy- Missouri
28. Carolina- WR, Kelvin Benjamin- Florida St.
29. New England- DT, Ra’Shede Hageman- Minnesota
30. San Francisco- DE, Stephon Tuitt- Notre Dame
31. Denver- CB, Jason Verrett- TCU
32. Seattle- WR, Odell Beckham- LSU


Round 2

33. Houston- OT, Cyrus Kouandjio- Alabama
34. Washington- S, LaMarcus Joyner- Florida St.

TRADE: The Cleveland Browns trade away #35 overall to the Minnesota Vikings for their 2nd round pick (40th) and 5th round pick (136th)

35. Minnesota (via CLE)- QB, Derek Carr- Fresno St.

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2014 Minnesota Vikings Draft Picks


• Round 1:
o (via PIT) NT, Louis Nix III- Notre Dame
-Nix paired along with Floyd has me licking my chops! I think if Teddy or even Manziel don't fall to us, we should trade down or possibly draft Mack. In this situation, I have us trading down instead. I think this pick could solidify our defensive line once again.
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• Round 2:
o (via CLE) QB, Derek Carr- Fresno St.
-I HIGHLY doubt 4 QB's go that early in the first round. But without Oakland taking a QB in the 1st, we have to jump them in the 2nd in order to get Carr. Carr has a monster arm and a pocket passer that I think could strive in Norv Turner's offense.
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o (via PIT) OLB, Kyle Van Noy- BYU
-Van Noy will strive in Zimmer's defense and fills out hole at WLB. He is a solid pass rusher and is also athletic enough to be solid in coverage.
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• Round 3:
o DE- Chris Smith- Arkansas
-We have already talked to Smith at the Senior Bowl and will play a similar role that Everson Griffen has the past few years.
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o CB- Stanley Jean-Baptiste- Nebraska
-My big sleeper in this years draft. I love Jean-Baptiste's potential and has the build to be a solid outside CB. He's a absolute monster height wise and is solid in coverage. He will be a solid #3 CB in this defense.
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• Round 4:
o RB- Andre Williams- Boston College
-Williams is similar to Gerhart when it comes to size and I think he could make a great 1-2 punch with Peterson. Some may not be a fan of this pick but I think he would be a great replacement for Gerhart and he could end up being Peterson's successor.
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• Round 5:
o NO PICK (Traded to CLE)


• Round 6:
o SS- Vinnie Sunseri- Alabama
-Sunseri had a good season this past year and provides depth behind Kendrick Lewis and Andrew Sendejo
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o (via PHI) WR- Jalen Saunders- Oklahoma
-Saunders is a speedy slot receiver that could provide depth behind Jennings and add some more elusiveness to that spot.
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• Round 7:
o QB- Aaron Murray- Georgia
-I haven't been a big fan of drafting two QB's but since we were able to wheel 9 picks in this situation, I think we can afford to do it. Plus, Murray has a lot of potential but is probably going to fall because of his knee.
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2014 Minnesota Vikings Depth Chart

Black= Returning Players
Blue= Free Agents Signed
Red=Rookies Drafted

OFFENSE

QB- Carr, Campbell, Murray
RB- Peterson, Williams, Asiata, Banyard, Randle
FB- Felton, Line, Ellison/Asiata
WR X- Patterson, Simpson, Smith
WR Y- Jennings, Saunders, Thielen
WR Z- Wright, Childs, Jorden
TE- Rudolph, Ford, Ellison
LT- Kalil, Murphy
LG- Beadles, Baca
C- Sullivan, Berger
RG- Fusco, Samuda
RT- Loadholt, Webb, Remmers


DEFENSE

DE- Robison, Te’o Nesheim, Trattou
DE- Griffen, Smith, Nealy
DT (3-tech)- Floyd, Sims/Evans, Baker
NT (1-tech)- Nix III, Sims/Evans, Randall
SLB- Greenway, Dean
MLB- Cole/Mauti, Lawrence
WLB- Van Noy, Hodges
CB- Rhodes, Prater, Steeples
CB- Verner, Jean-Baptiste, Edwards
NCB- Robinson, Sherels, Blanton
FS- Smith, Raymond, Bishop
SS- Lewis, Sendejo, Sunseri


SPECIAL TEAMS

K- Walsh
P- Locke
LS- Loeffler
H- Locke
KR- Patterson, Sherels
PR- Sherels, Patterson


Hope you guys enjoy the read!!!
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These are always really interesting.

Nice job. :clap:
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Great job PHP. The time and effort alone just to type your topic/post....
Pretty lofty goals in FA but what the heck. Lets go for it! :thumbsup:
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I always love reading your mocks and viewing the overall picks, PHP. Always interesting and creative, especially the the trade speculation. Great work.
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Would like that, not sure Van Noy will last until 46. Guess we'll see how he does at combine. Saw this info this morning and is a little dissapointing
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Pondering Her Percy wrote::arrow: As for all mocks, this is just my prediction of how things could go, not saying anything is set in stone. As for the free agents I had us sign, some may say that 6 is too many but 3 out of the 6 are on 1 year deals and 1 is on a cheaper 2 year deal.

:arrow: I also added in the entire 1st round and part of the 2nd round as well. But stopped after out first 2nd round pick because predicting anything after that is nearly impossible.


Team Needs

-Current Offensive Needs:
• QB (Starter and depth)
• RB (2nd string)
• WR (Depth)
• LG (Starter)
• OT (Depth)

-Current Defensive Needs:
• DE (Starter and Depth)
• DT (Starting 1 technique (NT) and depth at both)
• LB (Starter at MIKE and WILL)
• CB (Starter on outside and Depth)
• S (Possible starter)

-Current Special Teams Needs:
• N/A



In-House Re-signings
• DE- Everson Griffen (~5 years, $25 million)
• OT- J’Marcus Webb (2 years)
• WR- Jerome Simpson (1 year)
• C- Joe Berger (1 year)
• DT- Fred Evans (1 year)
• RB- Matt Asiata (ERFA)
• LB- Larry Dean (RFA)
• CB/PR- Marcus Sherels (RFA)


In-House Let Walk
• QB- Josh Freeman
• RB- Toby Gerhart
• WR- Joe Webb
• OG- Charlie Johnson
• OG- Seth Olsen
• DE- Jared Allen
• DT- Kevin Williams
• LB- Desmond Bishop
• LB- Marvin Mitchell
• CB- Chris Cook


Restructured Contracts
• LB- Chad Greenway


Notable Cuts
• LB- Erin Henderson (saves ~$2 million)
• TE- John Carlson (saves ~$4 million)
• DT- Letroy Guion (saves ~$4 million)
• SS- Jamarca Sanford (saves ~$2 million)
* Total Savings ~$12 million*


Trades
• Christian Ponder is traded to the Philadelphia Eagles for a 6th round pick.


Free Agency
• CB- Alterraun Verner (~5 years, $40 million)
-I'm a big fan of Verner and believe we need veteran presence in our secondary. With his former DC running the secondary and Mike Zimmer being highly regarded, I think Verner has a solid chance to sign with us.
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• LG- Zane Beadles (~4 years, $16 million)
-Beadles has had his ups and downs but is a former pro-bowler and a definite upgrade over Charlie Johnson. I don't think we need to break the bank on a guard and I think Beadles falls under that "middle of the road" category.
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• S- Kendrick Lewis (~2 years, $4 million)
-Lewis has struggled with injuries at times but when playing, he has shown a lot of promise. He is a fierce run defender and his best attribute could very well be his coverage.
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• DT- Pat Sims (1 year)
-Sims is a former Bengal and will know Zimmer's defense very well. He provides depth along the defensive line but I can't see him commanding much money.
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• DE- Daniel Te’o Nesheim (1 year)
-Te'o Nesheim showed some promise just a season ago racking up 4 sacks. He is probably more suited for a 3-4 defense but I believe he could provide quality depth in Mike Zimmer's aggressive 4-3 defense.
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• QB- Jason Campbell (1 year)
-Campbell has already had a year under his belt with OC Norv Turner and can provide guidance with the young QB we draft.
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2014 NFL Draft

Round 1

1. Houston- QB, Blake Bortles- UCF

TRADE: The St. Louis Rams trade away #2 overall to the Atlanta Falcons for their 1st round pick (6th), 2nd round pick (37th), and 2015 1st round pick.

2. Atlanta (via StL via WAS)- DE, Jadaveon Clowney- South Carolina
3. Jacksonville- QB, Johnny Manziel- Texas A&M
4. Cleveland- QB, Teddy Bridewater- Louisville
5. Oakland- WR, Sammy Watkins- Clemson
6. St. Louis (via ATL)- OT, Greg Robinson- Auburn
7. Tampa Bay- DE/OLB, Khalil Mack- Buffalo

TRADE: The Minnesota Vikings trade away #8 overall to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their 1st round pick (15th) and 2nd round pick (46th)

8. Pittsburgh (via MIN)- OT, Jake Matthews- Texas A&M
9. Buffalo- TE, Eric Ebron- North Carolina
10. Detroit- CB, Justin Gilbert- Oklahoma St.
11. Tennessee- DE/OLB, Anthony Barr- UCLA


TRADE: The New York Giants trade away #12 overall to the New York Jets for their 1st round pick (19th), 3rd round pick (80th), and 2015 6th round pick.

12. NY Jets (via NYG)- WR, Mike Evans- Texas A&M
13. St. Louis- S, Calvin Pryor- Louisville
14. Chicago- DT, Timmy Jernigan- Florida St.
15. Minnesota (via PIT)- NT, Louis Nix III- Notre Dame
16. Baltimore- ILB, CJ Mosely- Alabama
17. Dallas- S, Haha Clinton-Dix- Alabama
18. NY Giants (via NYJ)- OG/OT, Zack Martin- Notre Dame
19. Miami- OT, Taylor Lewan- Michigan
20. Arizona- OT, Morgan Moses- Virginia
21. Green Bay- TE, Jace Amaro- Texas Tech
22. Philadelphia- CB, Darqueze Dennard- Michigan St.
23. Kansas City- WR, Marqise Lee- USC
24. Cincinnati- DE, Dee Ford- Auburn
25. San Diego- CB, Bradley Roby- Ohio St.
26. Cleveland (via IND)- WR, Jarvis Landry- LSU
27. New Orleans- DE, Kony Ealy- Missouri
28. Carolina- WR, Kelvin Benjamin- Florida St.
29. New England- DT, Ra’Shede Hageman- Minnesota
30. San Francisco- DE, Stephon Tuitt- Notre Dame
31. Denver- CB, Jason Verrett- TCU
32. Seattle- WR, Odell Beckham- LSU


Round 2

33. Houston- OT, Cyrus Kouandjio- Alabama
34. Washington- S, LaMarcus Joyner- Florida St.

TRADE: The Cleveland Browns trade away #35 overall to the Minnesota Vikings for their 2nd round pick (40th) and 5th round pick (136th)

35. Minnesota (via CLE)- QB, Derek Carr- Fresno St.

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2014 Minnesota Vikings Draft Picks


• Round 1:
o (via PIT) NT, Louis Nix III- Notre Dame
-Nix paired along with Floyd has me licking my chops! I think if Teddy or even Manziel don't fall to us, we should trade down or possibly draft Mack. In this situation, I have us trading down instead. I think this pick could solidify our defensive line once again.
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• Round 2:
o (via CLE) QB, Derek Carr- Fresno St.
-I HIGHLY doubt 4 QB's go that early in the first round. But without Oakland taking a QB in the 1st, we have to jump them in the 2nd in order to get Carr. Carr has a monster arm and a pocket passer that I think could strive in Norv Turner's offense.
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o (via PIT) OLB, Kyle Van Noy- BYU
-Van Noy will strive in Zimmer's defense and fills out hole at WLB. He is a solid pass rusher and is also athletic enough to be solid in coverage.
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• Round 3:
o DE- Chris Smith- Arkansas
-We have already talked to Smith at the Senior Bowl and will play a similar role that Everson Griffen has the past few years.
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o CB- Stanley Jean-Baptiste- Nebraska
-My big sleeper in this years draft. I love Jean-Baptiste's potential and has the build to be a solid outside CB. He's a absolute monster height wise and is solid in coverage. He will be a solid #3 CB in this defense.
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• Round 4:
o RB- Andre Williams- Boston College
-Williams is similar to Gerhart when it comes to size and I think he could make a great 1-2 punch with Peterson. Some may not be a fan of this pick but I think he would be a great replacement for Gerhart and he could end up being Peterson's successor.
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• Round 5:
o NO PICK (Traded to CLE)


• Round 6:
o SS- Vinnie Sunseri- Alabama
-Sunseri had a good season this past year and provides depth behind Kendrick Lewis and Andrew Sendejo
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o (via PHI) WR- Jalen Saunders- Oklahoma
-Saunders is a speedy slot receiver that could provide depth behind Jennings and add some more elusiveness to that spot.
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• Round 7:
o QB- Aaron Murray- Georgia
-I haven't been a big fan of drafting two QB's but since we were able to wheel 9 picks in this situation, I think we can afford to do it. Plus, Murray has a lot of potential but is probably going to fall because of his knee.
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2014 Minnesota Vikings Depth Chart

Black= Returning Players
Blue= Free Agents Signed
Red=Rookies Drafted

OFFENSE

QB- Carr, Campbell, Murray
RB- Peterson, Williams, Asiata, Banyard, Randle
FB- Felton, Line, Ellison/Asiata
WR X- Patterson, Simpson, Smith
WR Y- Jennings, Saunders, Thielen
WR Z- Wright, Childs, Jorden
TE- Rudolph, Ford, Ellison
LT- Kalil, Murphy
LG- Beadles, Baca
C- Sullivan, Berger
RG- Fusco, Samuda
RT- Loadholt, Webb, Remmers


DEFENSE

DE- Robison, Te’o Nesheim, Trattou
DE- Griffen, Smith, Nealy
DT (3-tech)- Floyd, Sims/Evans, Baker
NT (1-tech)- Nix III, Sims/Evans, Randall
SLB- Greenway, Dean
MLB- Cole/Mauti, Lawrence
WLB- Van Noy, Hodges
CB- Rhodes, Prater, Steeples
CB- Verner, Jean-Baptiste, Edwards
NCB- Robinson, Sherels, Blanton
FS- Smith, Raymond, Bishop
SS- Lewis, Sendejo, Sunseri


SPECIAL TEAMS

K- Walsh
P- Locke
LS- Loeffler
H- Locke
KR- Patterson, Sherels
PR- Sherels, Patterson


Hope you guys enjoy the read!!!
Nice job. A few things:

I'd be very surprised if the Vikings gave Griffen a five-year contract. IF they re-sign J’Marcus Webb, I think it'll be for only 1 year. I really hope we upgrade here. He's not good. I also don't think we cut Carlson or Sanford. IF we can upgrade on safety, Sanford would go back to special teams, where he's above-average. I think Raymond is let go.

Ponder won't be traded. And not to the Eagles anyway. The coaching staff seems to be perfectly fine with Barkley as a backup to Foles. I can't see Ponder going anywhere.

I'd be nervous with a Carr-Campbell-Murray trio to start the season. Carr would have to be the front-runner, because Jason Campbell is awful. His last three games he completed less than 54% of his passes with a 2:6 TD/turnover ratio. And that's with all-world receiver Josh Gordon. I'd be cautiously optimistic with Carr, but I'd worry about throwing him to the wolves right away as much as I'd worry about Campbell starting the season. It would be interesting, but I just don't think Murray is going to fall all the way to the seventh round.

I'd be pretty shocked if the Lions picked Gilbert. I have a sneaking suspicion they either stay put and go Evans or trade up for Watkins. Their secondary does need help, though. Especially with the release of Delmas. I also think this is the highest I've ever seen Pryor. What makes you think he's a top-15 pick? Interesting that you have him going above Clinton-Dix. I haven't seen many people put him as this class' top safety. I think I've only seen Mayock ranking him higher.

Andre Williams is an interesting pick in R4. Not much of a receiver (wasn't asked to do it much...at all), though I don't know much about his blitz-pickup skills but is a powerful runner that doesn't go down on first contact much. His combine will be decisive. If he runs well, he'll move up. I don't have a problem here. If we don't re-sign Toby (I still think it's possible), he seems to have the talent to be productive when called upon. He'd be a good "value pick" here, though.

I'm cautiously on board with Nix, though I'd be hard-pressed to pick between him and Mosely. What do you think about Borland over Van Noy? I've also seen Van Noy projected more as a strong side 'backer.

I'm on-board with Verner. I like the idea of Verner/Rhodes/Smith in our secondary with possibly another draft-pick along the way. I'm warming on Beadles at LG, but would prefer Schwartz or Asamoah. I just don't think the Chiefs re-sign both guys. Beadles wouldn't be a bad fall-back option.

My thoughts on Kendrick Lewis really stem from his health. He's probably a lower-tier injury-risk guy that Spielman likes to take a chance with, but I'd prefer Delmas, Chris Clemons or Stevie Brown. I'm not sure Lewis would be any upgrade over Sanford/Sendejo.

I dig the Sims signing for depth. He's a pure run-stuffer. I also think there's a chance the Vikes re-sign Kevin Williams. Te'o Nesheim would be a solid depth signing.

Anyway, really cool. Thanks for posting.
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Funkytown wrote:These are always really interesting.

Nice job. :clap:
losperros wrote:I always love reading your mocks and viewing the overall picks, PHP. Always interesting and creative, especially the the trade speculation. Great work.
CbusVikesFan wrote:Great job PHP. The time and effort alone just to type your topic/post....
Pretty lofty goals in FA but what the heck. Lets go for it! :thumbsup:
Thanks guys much appreciated!
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80 PurplePride 84 wrote:2 things:

Don't see Griffen getting 5 years.

No need to cut Sanford. He's better than Sendejo, a ST ace and there's no reason to just to save a measly 2m when we have like the 4th most cap space already.
Sanford was one of the worst SS this past season according to PFF and I thought that Sendejo almost outplayed him at times. I definitely think we could upgrade the position. I think Kendrick Lewis would be a great fit.
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dead_poet wrote:I'd be very surprised if the Vikings gave Griffen a five-year contract. IF they re-sign J’Marcus Webb, I think it'll be for only 1 year. I really hope we upgrade here. He's not good. I also don't think we cut Carlson or Sanford. IF we can upgrade on safety, Sanford would go back to special teams, where he's above-average. I think Raymond is let go.
If we don't cut Carlson then we HAVE to restructure him. Also, with his concussion history and how he was on the fringe of retirement, I don't know if they would want to keep him. I actually like Raymond more than Sanford but thats just me. Sanford was very poor this season and that spot could use a cheap upgrade like Lewis.

dead_poet wrote:Ponder won't be traded. And not to the Eagles anyway. The coaching staff seems to be perfectly fine with Barkley as a backup to Foles. I can't see Ponder going anywhere.
Chances are, he probably won't because he is all we have right now but I'm a big supporter of "out with the old, in with the new". I think if we find out we can get a pick for him, then we should go for it.

dead_poet wrote:I'd be nervous with a Carr-Campbell-Murray trio to start the season. Carr would have to be the front-runner, because Jason Campbell is awful. His last three games he completed less than 54% of his passes with a 2:6 TD/turnover ratio. And that's with all-world receiver Josh Gordon. I'd be cautiously optimistic with Carr, but I'd worry about throwing him to the wolves right away as much as I'd worry about Campbell starting the season. It would be interesting, but I just don't think Murray is going to fall all the way to the seventh round.
I hear ya on this. I would like to just re-sign Cassel but he might command more money than you think. Campbell is bad but does know Turner's offense which would help the young guys come along some. Murray is a big question mark right now and it's so hard to predict where guys like that will be drafted. I personally think he is going to fall further than many think.

dead_poet wrote:I'd be pretty shocked if the Lions picked Gilbert. I have a sneaking suspicion they either stay put and go Evans or trade up for Watkins. Their secondary does need help, though. Especially with the release of Delmas. I also think this is the highest I've ever seen Pryor. What makes you think he's a top-15 pick? Interesting that you have him going above Clinton-Dix. I haven't seen many people put him as this class' top safety. I think I've only seen Mayock ranking him higher.
They could definitely go WR but a the same time, there CB's are pretty awful. There offense is good enough as is but there defensive backs struggles immensely this year and they just cut Delmas which isn't a killer but it doesn't help either.

dead_poet wrote:Andre Williams is an interesting pick in R4. Not much of a receiver (wasn't asked to do it much...at all), though I don't know much about his blitz-pickup skills but is a powerful runner that doesn't go down on first contact much. His combine will be decisive. If he runs well, he'll move up. I don't have a problem here. If we don't re-sign Toby (I still think it's possible), he seems to have the talent to be productive when called upon. He'd be a good "value pick" here, though.
I absolutely LOVE Williams and think he would be a stud behind AP and could even become his successor down the road. He is a rich man's Toby Gerhart. Very similar runners but Williams is much more athletic. There are questions marks with his pass protection but that is something that he could be coached up on. As for his receiving skills, BC never used him like that so I would say he's just more unproven than anything.

dead_poet wrote:I'm cautiously on board with Nix, though I'd be hard-pressed to pick between him and Mosely. What do you think about Borland over Van Noy? I've also seen Van Noy projected more as a strong side 'backer.
It's between Nix and Mosely for me as well. Although the way I look at it, I feel that Cole and/or Mauti are both more than capable of playing MLB and our biggest weakness is on the outside. I love Borland as well and would consider taking him over Van Noy. He is drawing comparisons to Kuechly but he is also in the same boat as Mosely and is a MIKE LB. Not saying they couldn't play outside or maybe Zimmer even decides to put Cole or Mauti on the outside....who knows.

dead_poet wrote:I'm on-board with Verner. I like the idea of Verner/Rhodes/Smith in our secondary with possibly another draft-pick along the way. I'm warming on Beadles at LG, but would prefer Schwartz or Asamoah. I just don't think the Chiefs re-sign both guys. Beadles wouldn't be a bad fall-back option.
Anything is better than Charlie :lol: Schwartz would definitely be the cheaper option but I think I would take Beadles over him. Just a personal opinion.

dead_poet wrote:My thoughts on Kendrick Lewis really stem from his health. He's probably a lower-tier injury-risk guy that Spielman likes to take a chance with, but I'd prefer Delmas, Chris Clemons or Stevie Brown. I'm not sure Lewis would be any upgrade over Sanford/Sendejo.
It doesn't look like we're even looking at Delmas by the reports I've been seeing and I doubt Brown leaves NY. Clemons is a toss up. When healthy, Lewis is MUCH better in coverage than Sanford is and he is equally as physical but you're right, his health is a big question mark. If he can stay healthy, I would take him any day over what we have.

dead_poet wrote:I dig the Sims signing for depth. He's a pure run-stuffer. I also think there's a chance the Vikes re-sign Kevin Williams. Te'o Nesheim would be a solid depth signing.
I'm seeing mixed reports on Williams. Beat writers are saying they can't see us re-signing him but Williams has also expressed that he wants to play for Zimmer so who knows.
dead_poet wrote:Anyway, really cool. Thanks for posting.
Thanks man! Always appreciate your feedback dead_poet :thumbsup:
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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
OFFENSE

QB- Carr, Campbell, Murray
RB- Peterson, Williams, Asiata, Banyard, Randle
FB- Felton, Line, Ellison/Asiata
WR X- Patterson, Simpson, Smith
WR Y- Jennings, Saunders, Thielen
WR Z- Wright, Childs, Jorden
TE- Rudolph, Ford, Ellison
LT- Kalil, Murphy
LG- Beadles, Baca
C- Sullivan, Berger
RG- Fusco, Samuda
RT- Loadholt, Webb, Remmers


DEFENSE

DE- Robison, Te’o Nesheim, Trattou
DE- Griffen, Smith, Nealy
DT (3-tech)- Floyd, Sims/Evans, Baker
NT (1-tech)- Nix III, Sims/Evans, Randall
SLB- Greenway, Dean
MLB- Cole/Mauti, Lawrence
WLB- Van Noy, Hodges
CB- Rhodes, Prater, Steeples
CB- Verner, Jean-Baptiste, Edwards
NCB- Robinson, Sherels, Blanton
FS- Smith, Raymond, Bishop
SS- Lewis, Sendejo, Sunseri


SPECIAL TEAMS

K- Walsh
P- Locke
LS- Loeffler
H- Locke
KR- Patterson, Sherels
PR- Sherels, Patterson


Hope you guys enjoy the read!!!
It was a good read, thank you for doing it.

However, I have a couple of questions/thoughts. Please don't try to be too offended, because in the end, it is just an opinion:

I have really enjoyed watching Alteruan Verner play in the NFL since he was drafted. He isn't extremely big, but he plays like his 6'1. He is a great tackler for his size and has a knack for the ball. He will never be Antoine Winfield, but he reminds me of Antoine.

I was a Zane Beadles fan up until this season. His play really fell this past year. He is strictly a zone blocking guard, and I am not so sure we will be running a zone blocking scheme with Norv Turner. Anyway, he is better than Charlie Johnson, and I wouldn't be upset if we signed him for around, say, 16 million over 4 years. However, personally, if we are going after a guard, I would want Jon Asamoah.

I don't see Atlanta 'trading the farm' just to draft Jadeveon. They are still suffering from the Julio Jones player. Granted they got one hell of player, but look at how void their roster has become because of that trade. Atlanta can sit and wait, no doubt at least Anthony Barr will fall to them barring some unforeseen explosion of his stock.

I don't think Kyle Van Noy falls to the mid second round. His stock isn't as high as it was back in December, but he still too good of player for teams like Jacksonville and others who would be ahead of us in your trade not to take him. I also don't see how Aaron Murray falls to round 7, even with his injury. Murray has too much upside to last until the 7th round.

I am a little confused at your depth chart, and it is more semantics than anything. Why would Jarius Wright 'start' at the Flanker, Patterson the split end, while Jennings 'starts' at in slot? No doubt Jennings could kill the slot position, but Jarius Wright doesn't have the size to be an ideal flanker. If anything, Patterson should be playing the flanker, Jennings playing the split end, and should Wright in the slot on 'base' three receiver sets. However, I understand all three will line up all over the field throughout the season, so, again, my question is more semantics than anything.

Anyway, enough with the nitpicking. This was a fun and entertaining read. I thank you for posting it.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote:If we don't cut Carlson then we HAVE to restructure him.
I don't know. He's probably not "worth" the $3.9 million, but that's probably not too far off. When healthy and on the field he's been a decent #2 TE.
Also, with his concussion history and how he was on the fringe of retirement, I don't know if they would want to keep him.
Because, when healthy, he's been a decent #2 TE? I mean, it wouldn't kill me if he was cut, but I don't see that happening. He's probably more athletic/quicker/better receiver than Rhett.
I actually like Raymond more than Sanford but thats just me.
Ew. :o He constantly takes bad angles and has been demoted more than once. Sanford at least is solid in run support and has a knack for forcing fumbles. Raymond is usually invisible until he does something that makes you cringe.
Sanford was very poor this season and that spot could use a cheap upgrade like Lewis.
I guess I didn't see him having that poor of a year. I know he battled hamstring/groin issues. Lewis might be + in coverage but I think he'd be - in run support. His play really hasn't been the same since his injuries.
Chances are, he probably won't because he is all we have right now but I'm a big supporter of "out with the old, in with the new". I think if we find out we can get a pick for him, then we should go for it.
I suppose, but, as you said, he's the only one on the roster right now. It'd only be a possibility after the draft and free agency, and by then I'm sure most teams will be pretty set. I just don't see a scenario where he's gone this season.
I hear ya on this. I would like to just re-sign Cassel but he might command more money than you think. Campbell is bad but does know Turner's offense which would help the young guys come along some. Murray is a big question mark right now and it's so hard to predict where guys like that will be drafted. I personally think he is going to fall further than many think.
I don't care if he knows Turner's offense. He's not a very productive QB, which is what I'd be looking for, particularly if he's in the "might start for us" category. Frankly, I'd probably pick Ponder over Campbell. It's not like Ponder is going to have a problem learning a new system. He's apparently an "Xs & Os" whiz. But none of these options are particularly attractive. I suppose that's the way it is with "backups."
I absolutely LOVE Williams and think he would be a stud behind AP and could even become his successor down the road. He is a rich man's Toby Gerhart. Very similar runners but Williams is much more athletic. There are questions marks with his pass protection but that is something that he could be coached up on. As for his receiving skills, BC never used him like that so I would say he's just more unproven than anything.
A more athletic Toby Gerhart is essentially Adrian Peterson :) I'd take another one of those. Where I get sticky is that I think we may like a compliment to AD (Chester Taylor, Mewelde Moore) rather than another big guy. But talent is talent. And I firmly believe AD is going to play another 4-5 years (at that time he'll "only" be 32-33). By that time Williams will be in the same position as Gerhart (likely gone looking for other opportunities than re-signing to be a backup for another couple of years). Pure speculation, of course, but I'm not a big fan of the timing as far as grooming for a replacement. But I do like the value if Williams last to here. He has talent and likely a higher "grade" than some other players but because the RB position is being devalued so much he might just be here. It seems fewer and fewer are earning first-round grades.
It's between Nix and Mosely for me as well. Although the way I look at it, I feel that Cole and/or Mauti are both more than capable of playing MLB and our biggest weakness is on the outside.
This is still sticky for me. I don't like drafting for need. Based on what I've seen, Mosely is the superior player and a flat-out stud. I'm leaning his direction as a consequence. Nix did battle some injuries, so you have to take that into consideration. But all things equal, Mosely is probably my pick there. Nix could fall some. How great would it be if he fell to the bottom of the first and Spielman traded up to get him too? Very much wishful thinking, but, hey, look what happened with Floyd. I think we have equal weakness on the inside, especially important with the defense we're likely to play. Maybe we can *sigh* grab McCullers in later rounds?
Anything is better than Charlie :lol: Schwartz would definitely be the cheaper option but I think I would take Beadles over him. Just a personal opinion.
Interesting. Here I think Schwartz was the one that would command more. I think it may be close either way. Beadles might get more years but Schwartz might get more guaranteed.
It doesn't look like we're even looking at Delmas by the reports I've been seeing and I doubt Brown leaves NY. Clemons is a toss up. When healthy, Lewis is MUCH better in coverage than Sanford is and he is equally as physical but you're right, his health is a big question mark. If he can stay healthy, I would take him any day over what we have.
I just haven't seen Lewis do anything special in the last two years to lead me to that assessment. And, to be honest, I don't think the Vikings do much in FA at the safety position. But I wouldn't mind them releasing Raymond, signing Smith and have Smith battle Sanford for the job.
I'm seeing mixed reports on Williams. Beat writers are saying they can't see us re-signing him but Williams has also expressed that he wants to play for Zimmer so who knows.
If he takes a team-friendly deal, I'd love him as a 30-40% snaps guy. I'd like to see him retire as a Viking (though he likely will even if he finishes his career elsewhere).
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HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
I don't see Atlanta 'trading the farm' just to draft Jadeveon. They are still suffering from the Julio Jones player. Granted they got one hell of player, but look at how void their roster has become because of that trade. Atlanta can sit and wait, no doubt at least Anthony Barr will fall to them barring some unforeseen explosion of his stock.
Agreed but at the same time, they have been hunting for a premier pass rusher for years now and just can't find one. Clowney could very well be the best defensive end to come out of college in years. I could definitely see them pulling the trigger.

HardcoreVikesFan wrote:I don't think Kyle Van Noy falls to the mid second round. His stock isn't as high as it was back in December, but he still too good of player for teams like Jacksonville and others who would be ahead of us in your trade not to take him. I also don't see how Aaron Murray falls to round 7, even with his injury. Murray has too much upside to last until the 7th round.
Yeah he might not fall that far but who knows.

HardcoreVikesFan wrote:I am a little confused at your depth chart, and it is more semantics than anything. Why would Jarius Wright 'start' at the Flanker, Patterson the split end, while Jennings 'starts' at in slot? No doubt Jennings could kill the slot position, but Jarius Wright doesn't have the size to be an ideal flanker. If anything, Patterson should be playing the flanker, Jennings playing the split end, and should Wright in the slot on 'base' three receiver sets. However, I understand all three will line up all over the field throughout the season, so, again, my question is more semantics than anything
Jennings actually played a lot of slot this past year. As for Wright, he literally played every WR position at Arkansas and he has showed flashes of doing well in the short game and in the deep ball game as well. Patterson was playing the X position most of the year behind Simpson until Simpson got in trouble.
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Pondering Her Percy wrote: • Round 3:
o DE- Chris Smith- Arkansas
-We have already talked to Smith at the Senior Bowl and will play a similar role that Everson Griffen has the past few years.
Which is what? Playing one out of every eight snaps?
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Great job PHP! Besides Carr I enjoyed and go along with most all of your choices and decisions. :rock:
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Just Say No on Jason Cambel I don't see him as upgrade over Cassel or even Ponder . I like some of the other choices , great job !
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