2014 Impending and Potential Free Agent Targets

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And we are not in the early stages of a re-build. This is going on the 3rd year of a rebuild so I'm not sure where you've been.
Hiring a new coach going into the final year of a rebuild after a 5 win season. I'm not sure where you've been! Look at this roster and tell me after this season the team is at the end of a rebuild and ready to compete consistently...
James Harrison didn't fit a 4-3 scheme but came in and started 10 games for Cincy so what does that tell you??? Him "not fitting" this defense has NOTHING to do with it. He would fit perfectly in Zimmers defense.

....just clueless
You're honestly going to bring up James Harrison when we're discussing Desmond Bishop...and call me clueless? :rofl:

We signed the guy for league minimum veteran deal because there was almost no interest anywhere else for the guy. This isn't taking a gamble on a ex-all pro. Or fitting a 5 time pro bowler into a defense. He was never that good to begin with, much less good enough to spend a roster slot on at this point in his career. That's where this team is at. :roll:

And people wonder why the Packers are winning the division, and a recent super bowl, and the Vikings are signing their 30 year old leftovers and yoyoing into the NFC North cellar.
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Demi wrote:Hiring a new coach going into the final year of a rebuild after a 5 win season. I'm not sure where you've been! Look at this roster and tell me after this season the team is at the end of a rebuild and ready to compete consistently...
Like I said, this team is very young. With these coaches, If we can find our QB of the future and fill some holes on defense through the draft and FA, I think we can definitely compete. We have a lot of young pieces on this team and definitely have the ability to compete. We were how many seconds away from having 5 more wins?? And that was with a bum coach, no QB, and a handful of holes.


Demi wrote:You're honestly going to bring up James Harrison when we're discussing Desmond Bishop...and call me clueless? :rofl:

We signed the guy for league minimum veteran deal because there was almost no interest anywhere else for the guy. This isn't taking a gamble on a ex-all pro. Or fitting a 5 time pro bowler into a defense. He was never that good to begin with, much less good enough to spend a roster slot on at this point in his career. That's where this team is at. :roll:

And people wonder why the Packers are winning the division, and a recent super bowl, and the Vikings are signing their 30 year old leftovers and yoyoing into the NFC North cellar.
Never good to begin with?? Did you watch GB when he was there?? He was arguably their best LB so to say he "wasn't that good" is a joke.

As for James Harrison, he is 35 and hasn't played a full season since 2010. That's a gamble no matter what way you look at it. And they also gave him a somewhat hefty contract. I'm talking about giving Bishop veteran minimum. Thats a BIG difference.

And yeah it seems like us signing Desmond Bishop is what really put us in the bottom of the NFC north this year :roll:

Bottom line is, signing Bishop to veteran minimum is a low risk/high reward type signing and will NOT hurt this team. It will either do nothing for it or help it. I'm not even saying he has to come in a start. He can just come in and contribute and be a role player. It's not going to hurt this team by any means. To say it's a waste is a complete over-reaction and makes me really question your judgement on players. I'm glad you aren't the GM :wink:
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Never good to begin with?? Did you watch GB when he was there?? He was arguably their best LB so to say he "wasn't that good" is a joke.
Arguable? You're going to argue when he played for GB he was a better linebacker than Clay Matthews? Really? Oh my goodness, I guess you'd know what a joke is, you just made a hilarious one! :rofl:
As for James Harrison, he is 35 and hasn't played a full season since 2010. That's a gamble no matter what way you look at it. And they also gave him a somewhat hefty contract. I'm talking about giving Bishop veteran minimum. Thats a BIG difference.
Yes, a 5 time pro bowler, defensive player of the year. versus an average two year starter. The big difference is in talent. One has a lot of it, the other doesn't.
And yeah it seems like us signing Desmond Bishop is what really put us in the bottom of the NFC north this year
No, the mindset that led us to sign him did. The person making those type of decisions a year into a rebuild.
To say it's a waste is a complete over-reaction and makes me really question your judgement on players. I'm glad you aren't the GM
:confused: Said the same thing last year. He came in, got hurt, contributed next to nothing. Got a prove it deal, failed to prove it. At best we waste a roster spot on an average 29 year old player for a year or two.

Packers cut him, no interest in bringing him back. Guess you're glad we don't have the Packers front office either, probably question their judgement on players as well. :lol:
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fiestavike wrote:I'm trying to keep a running list of things Demi approves of.

So far I have Aaron Murray, Ryan Mallett, Clay Matthews, The Packers Front Office.
Ypu forgot himself. He approves of himself.

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I understand his posts can be a challenge to read with the attitude he usually exudes, but I find the posts concerning Demi to be a personal attack more often than not. If you don't like to read his posts, if they make you so upset that you have to post about him instead of about what he writes, please foe him.

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fiestavike wrote:I'm trying to keep a running list of things Demi approves of.

So far I have Aaron Murray, Ryan Mallett, Clay Matthews, The Packers Front Office.
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:confused: Why is everyone being such a dick?


:clap: Props to Demi for continuing to argue the facts and not falling prey to the personal attacks being sent his way.
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I don't often agree with Demi's assessments but I do see his point on Bishop. I disagree with him on the age thing but agree concerning Bishop's relevance on this team. Players that are consistantly injured are concerning. Now I agree ACLs can happened to anyone but Bishop has missed a LOT of football due to injury. If he can stay healthy then he could be a contributor but his health concerns me greatly. Do we gamble away another year on him or do we cut bait and look elsewhere. It is a tough choice really. I really wouldn't be upset if we offered him minimum but also would get it if we didn't. I liked what I saw out of Bishop when he was playing. He looked good. However he didn't contribute for long. :-(
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Demi wrote:Arguable? You're going to argue when he played for GB he was a better linebacker than Clay Matthews? Really? Oh my goodness, I guess you'd know what a joke is, you just made a hilarious one! :rofl:
First of all, Matthews plays more of a defensive end role than anything so no, in no way am I comparing him to Matthews. They are essentially 2 different positions in GB's 3-4 defense.

Demi wrote:Yes, a 5 time pro bowler, defensive player of the year. versus an average two year starter. The big difference is in talent. One has a lot of it, the other doesn't.
Harrison is out of his prime at this point and can't stay healthy. He had most of those accomplishments in his prime, not as of late. Bishop had 218 tackles, 8 sacks, and 1 pick six in 25 games (2 seasons). He put up over 100 tackles and multiple sacks 2 straight years and didn't even start a full 16 games in either of those years (12 in 2010 and 13 in 2011). That's better than any of our LB's in that short of a time. But yeah he's average :roll: Your judgement of talent is just so far off it's not even funny.

Demi wrote:No, the mindset that led us to sign him did. The person making those type of decisions a year into a rebuild.
:roll: You're acting like adding guys that are on "prove yourself" contracts is a bad thing. Like I said, I really question your judgement of talent. We had a hole at WILL LB and Bishop was by far the best option out there. Do you expect Spielman to just sit back and not assess it when Bishop is still out there?? It makes no sense whatsoever. That "mindset" is far and away what cost us to be in the bottom of the division. Getting guys on "prove yourself" contracts....yeah that reallyyyyy cost us :roll: Take those blinders off

Demi wrote::confused: Said the same thing last year. He came in, got hurt, contributed next to nothing. Got a prove it deal, failed to prove it. At best we waste a roster spot on an average 29 year old player for a year or two.

Packers cut him, no interest in bringing him back. Guess you're glad we don't have the Packers front office either, probably question their judgement on players as well. :lol:
We can use all the help we can get at LB. And as I have said before, and you continue to ignore, I'm not saying he needs to come in and start. He can come in and simply be a role player and adds very good depth to this team. Enough with the 29 year old crap....that's not old so you prove nothing by continuing to say that.

Your Packers "front office" argument is baffling as well. They have solid LB's to begin with....we don't. There's a HUGE difference there. They can afford letting him go, especially because he was owed a good amount of money. We owed him next to nothing so there is no waste about it. His potential is very high and we all know (other than you) how he can perform when healthy. There is nothing wrong with bringing him back at veteran minimum. Especially with Mike Zimmer as HC.

.....regardless of whatever "genius" comment you come back with....you aren't changing my mind on the matter. So you can go back and forth all you want but neither of us are getting anywhere. So I would say agree to disagree (The story of your life when it comes to the VMB) :D


I'll put you to the test.....Demi.....Adrian Peterson is the best overall RB in the NFL. Agree or Disagree?? Let's see if it's possible that you can actually agree with someone.
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mrc44 wrote:
glad someone agrees on Ryan Mallett. Better than any of the qb's we have a chance of getting in this draft... probably going to catch sh$t for saying that.. :shock:
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You would take Mallet over Bridgewater and JFB. :roll: Don't quit your day job and look for a GM position :lol:
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First of all, Matthews plays more of a defensive end role than anything so no, in no way am I comparing him to Matthews. They are essentially 2 different positions in GB's 3-4 defense.
Ok, so now we'll just take a 34 OLB and change his position to fit our narrative. :roll:
That's better than any of our LB's in that short of a time. But yeah he's average :roll: Your judgement of talent is just so far off it's not even funny.
Because our LBs are a bunch of bums. We have Greenway, who's over 30, and a bunch of mid to late round draft picks. So yeah, beating out our terrible linebackers makes him average...
Getting guys on "prove yourself" contracts....yeah that reallyyyyy cost us :roll: Take those blinders off
The minute he saw the field, he got hurt. Coming off an injury. He contributed nothing. He proved nothing. You lose sir. Good day.
Your Packers "front office" argument is baffling as well. They have solid LB's to begin with....we don't.
But he was there best? Arguably? He cleared waivers. They still didn't try to bring him back.

Why am I even investing this much time in a scrub like Bishop. If we switch to a 34? Borderline. If not it'd be pointless. Hopefully Spielman sees it the same way...we'll see.
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MRC44, "You are also forgetting what trading for Mallett means. It means we can still grab the franchise defensive player in the first round, as I don't believe the Patriots will get a first for Mallet. So the question should be what would we have to spend to get him? and then is he better than the qb's with similar draft grades.[/quote]

In three years Mallett has thrown 4 passes had one completion and one interception for a 5.2 QBR :confused: He also admitted to using drugs when interviewed at his scouting combine. You really think that you would rather have him on this team rather than Bridgewater, Carr, JFB or Bortles :shock:
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mrc44 wrote:There are many players that have done dirty deeds in the nfl or prior.. In fact we have quite a few on the team already!! That was 4 years ago, he has been under Bellichek for a while now, and I am pretty sure possibly the greatest coach of all time has straightened him out some. Also the stats dont really state much.. He hasn't played. I think we all get that considering he is the backup to one of the best qb's in the league. Going off of his film from college, the fact that he has studied Tom Brady for 3 years, and had time to adjust to the NFL atmosphere, yes I would rather have him over ..

trading away 2 1sts and a 2nd for Bridgewater or JFB
drafting Carr or Bortles
As far as I'm concerned, Mallett's done nothing to merit more than a late round pick in a trade (if that) and I suspect he'd cost more. He's barely thrown the ball in the regular season and he's been inconsistent in the preseason. He had accuracy and decision-making issues coming out of college and if the article below is on the mark, he still has them. No thanks.

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2013/ ... llett.html
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frosted21 wrote::confused: Why is everyone being such a dick?


:clap: Props to Demi for continuing to argue the facts and not falling prey to the personal attacks being sent his way.
Agreed. The negativity surrounding any sort of negativity is pretty funny.
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VikingPaul73 wrote: Agreed. The negativity surrounding any sort of negativity is pretty funny.
It comes down to the chicken and egg theory :lol: People complaining about people that complain about people being negative. Is it all the negativity that brings on the criticism or the criticism that brings on the negativity?
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