2014 Vikings Draft Discussion

[Pondering Her Percy]

Another QB looked solid in the senior bowl and locked himself into the first round.

Chances are what, one QB out of this draft will be a franchise QB? One will be a solid contributor. And that's about it. Yet the mock draft experts have a half dozen to a dozen possible candidates? Everyone does this that and the other, but struggles with the other, this and that. Every year you have Mayock, Jeremiah, and the TV scouts talking up every prospect their is. Do they *ever* go against the grain and say "Hey, I don't think this guy has what it takes"? Never! Instead like lemmings they jump off the cliff for every QB there is, afraid that they might be the one that ends up being wrong.

What were these same people saying about Clausen? McCoy? Weeden? Bradford? Sanchez? Freeman? Don't fall into the trap!

Just because Ponder had a good senior bowl and busted doesn't necessarily mean Garoppolo will so I'm not sure where you're going with that one. If you don't trust any scouts then research Garappolo yourself. Read up on him, watch his game tape, do it yourself because right now, you're solely going off of his level of competition and that's it so I'm not sure how you could possibly say he will be good or not.

[mmvikes]

Another QB looked solid in the senior bowl and locked himself into the first round.

Chances are what, one QB out of this draft will be a franchise QB? One will be a solid contributor. And that's about it. Yet the mock draft experts have a half dozen to a dozen possible candidates? Everyone does this that and the other, but struggles with the other, this and that. Every year you have Mayock, Jeremiah, and the TV scouts talking up every prospect their is. Do they *ever* go against the grain and say "Hey, I don't think this guy has what it takes"? Never! Instead like lemmings they jump off the cliff for every QB there is, afraid that they might be the one that ends up being wrong.

What were these same people saying about Clausen? McCoy? Weeden? Bradford? Sanchez? Freeman? Don't fall into the trap!

I haven't seen anyone here proclaim Garropolo to be a sure fire franchise QB. He does, however have the tools for it to be possible. It is just as possible he doesn't make it. Would you prefer we all just discuss how we don't have a chance of picking up a franchise QB and rip all the prospects to shreds?
We are Viking fans. All we have is hope. Please don't pee on every parade.

[VikingPaul73]

It would be tough to leap Cleveland with them having a higher pick and an additional 1st. I agree that even if possible, that would be a bad move. Any time you're on the same page as Cleveland management, it's time to pause and reflect.

Well said

[Pondering Her Percy]

I haven't seen anyone here proclaim Garropolo to be a sure fire franchise QB. He does, however have the tools for it to be possible. It is just as possible he doesn't make it. Would you prefer we all just discuss how we don't have a chance of picking up a franchise QB and rip all the prospects to shreds?
We are Viking fans. All we have is hope. Please don't pee on every parade.

[dkoby]

FWIW, didn't someone come out last year and basically say that none of the top ranked QB's would amount to squat?

[Pondering Her Percy]

FWIW, didn't someone come out last year and basically say that none of the top ranked QB's would amount to squat?

Last year's class is a whole lot different than this years IMO

[PurpleMustReign]

The reality is that things usually don't work out. Most players don't pan out or maximize their potential. Demi seems to be aware of this and so he just blasts everything because the odds are he will be right. But he never likes anyone or anything. I mean lets face it, unless the vikings win the superbowl, he can always say "I told you so" and "be right". They only have at best a 1/32 chance at that, assuming equal talent across the board. Do you ever hear Demi really advocate for a player or coach?

He likes Aaron Murray. But other than that...

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[Demi]

He likes Aaron Murray. But other than that...

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I like Bridgewater, and Murray. Boyd, Carr, and Bortles IMO would be a waste of a pick regardless of where you take them. My statements on the tortoise have been based on the history of the draft and players similar to him, he could be amazing. It's hard to tell and the risk is even higher considering where he played. And east/west all stars games / senior bowls etc is garbage. You have years of actual in game footage to look at, the idea anyone can raise their stock based on a positive or negative performance in a post season game? C'mon Man. That's the crap that makes teams reach...

[Husker Vike]

Demi is spot on , Quarterbacks have enough film on them in games that gushing about their latest performance in a all star games against vanilla defenses are why teams overdraft QB's

[Pondering Her Percy]

Boyd, Carr, and Bortles IMO would be a waste of a pick regardless of where you take them.

So if we could somehow land one of them in the 4-7 round they are a waste of a pick?? That's a big-time overreaction. And I would take Garoppolo before Murray any day.

[viking nation]

This is my Mock drafts 1. first pick Johnny Manziel Some has him going to the Browns But the Browns have Hoyer A lot of his INTs was due to a bad front line & Manziel brings a lot of attitude & whoever picks him got to be willing to deal with that. I think the Browns go with Carr if they use their first pick on a QB at all. I think the Browns use their second first round pick on a QB. Pick 2 Daniel McCullers, Defensive Tackle, Tennessee 6'8" 360 pounds. Some has him projected to go in the round 3 to 4 but he is just to good to go in them later rounds. McCullers is a beast of a man who demands double teams and is unblockable at times in the middle of the defensive line he is a force in the running game and collapses the pocket with a surprising quick burst. Pick 3 CB Terrance Mitchell 6 ft. 190 lbs. led the team with five interceptions and seven pass breakups this season. In three seasons as a starter, Mitchell had a total of seven interceptions and 25 pass breakups. Vikes second pick 3 Sam Michael OLB that can play MLB because of his size. at 6ft.2 255 lbs. Michael's can also line up as a DE. This year Michael had 18 tackles for loss and 10.5 sacks He is a much needed versatile player. Pick 4 TE Joe Don Duncan brother of Jake Duncan, 6ft3 267lbs 2013 Duncan had a team high with 71 grabs for 1,045 yards with 13 touchdowns. Duncan has soft hands & can block on run plays, Good solid player. Pick 5 Dri Archer, Running Back/ Wide Receiver from Kent state. Dri is scary explosive and should be viewed as a Tavon Austin esk, given his 4.3 40 time and his ability to take it to the house on any given play. He can be used as a versatile chess piece lined up at multiple positions in the backfield and as a receiver much like Percy Harvin was used (well, how he was supposed to be used anyway:) Pick 6 Isaiah Lewis 5ft10 1/2 208lbs Lewis is a solid player & is always around the ball.Lewis is solid on run support & will diagnoses a play fast. In coverage, he can play man to man or roam. He has excellent timing as a blitzer. Pick 7 OT/OG Austin Wentworth Fresno State 6ft5 306lbs Good on passing plays or run. Wentworth helped quarterback Derek Carr throw for a Mountain West record 4,104 passing yards and Carr has become the most accurate passer in school history behind a solid line anchored by Wentworth.

[Demi]

So if we could somehow land one of them in the 4-7 round they are a waste of a pick?? That's a big-time overreaction. And I would take Garoppolo before Murray any day.

If they aren't going to have success in the NFL, signing them as an undrafted free agent is going to be a waste of a roster spot...I don't want to throw a bunch of feces looking QBs against the wall in the hope that one will stick, or "develop". How often do QBs develops? Guys that you have years of college tape on, are scouted, have some pretty significant question marks. and 3-5 years into the NFL they're on some team as the starting QB? Not worth the risk. I haven't watched Gallapagos so I can't say he isn't worth drafting. But if he is, take him wherever. Which is why I'd take Murray in the 2nd. And Bridgewater with the #1 overall pick or anywhere. If you think Manziel has the skillset take him 8th. But no use screwing around with the position thinking you can fix someone who's broken. That's what got us in trouble the last two times...

[Pondering Her Percy]

If they aren't going to have success in the NFL, signing them as an undrafted free agent is going to be a waste of a roster spot.

I dont understand this reasoning one bit And what makes you so sure they won't succeed?? Scouts won't ever look at those QB's (Especially Bortles, Carr, and Boyd) and say "Oh they look like they are going to suck, lets never ever give them a shot". The specific attributes these QBs have are what scouts like so much. Obviously you don't consider any of those things.

-Bortles has a strong arm, good size, and is very athletic, etc
-Carr has great vision, also has a solid arm, and is a pure pocket passer, etc
-Boyd has been very consistent throughout his career, has a cannon of an arm and is also very athletic, etc

....to say these guys won't succeed and aren't worth a roster spot is pretty ridiculous. For them to go undrafted will probably never EVER happen.

Which is why I'd take Murray in the 2nd.

Again, no way. With Spielman feeling the pressure of finding the QB of the future, he really can't afford drafting a guy in the 2nd round that can't participate in any of the upcoming events and is still recovering from a torn ACL. He would literally be going into next year blind if he made that pick and would be hoping and praying he would pan out. I mean he can't even get a solid scout on him besides looking at one he did during the season and at the same time, you never know if he will come back the same or not. No matter what his skill set is. It's as risky as you can get. Let's just say, I'm glad you aren't drafting in May Demi

[Husker Vike]

What I mean is that don't fall in love with a player because of a great all star game performance,look at his entire body of work . how did he do in all conditions?, playing with a lead , playing from behind,under blitz pressure did he stand in the pocket,look for a secondary receiver,go through his progressions,eyes down field, is he a leader?

[mmvikes]

Most of the senior QB's coming out are not ready

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... --nfl.html

There is some talent in the crop, and the best through two days certainly has been Fresno State's Derek Carr, younger brother of former No. 1 overall pick David Carr.

But the remaining five quarterbacks on the two squads have yet to show they can be considered anything near NFL starting material coming out of college. That has been the biggest takeaway of this intriguing but fairly underwhelming group so far.