"Spielman Owning the Draft Once Again" Mock Offseason

[PurpleMustReign]

PHP, where do you see Aaron Murray going? I know a lot depends on his recovery from his ACL tear, but do you see the Vikings going after him in the 2nd or 3rd round at all?

and BTW, great post. I liked reading about your thoughts on the picks.

[CalVike]

YES!!! I love it!! Excellent response!!! I wish more did that instead of going along with the hijacking and turning the thread into something it isn't!

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[Pondering Her Percy]

PHP, where do you see Aaron Murray going? I know a lot depends on his recovery from his ACL tear, but do you see the Vikings going after him in the 2nd or 3rd round at all?

and BTW, great post. I liked reading about your thoughts on the picks.

Much appreciated! I like Murray as well. However, if we were to take him, he would be a very very risky pick. The ACL tear is going to keep him out of the combine and in turn, I think we will see him fall further than expected. We would be taking a shot in the dark. I would say anywhere between rounds 4-6. If we were to stockpile draft picks for whatever reason and he's still on the board late even though we already drafted a QB by then, I wouldn't mind taking him. Similar to what Washington did with Cousins.

[Pondering Her Percy]

That's impressive. Very cool. I liked Rhodes a lot when he played as a Seminole, but in no way did I believe he was going to be a Viking. I'm thrilled that he's on the team.

But then, I was convinced that Floyd would be off the board and Patterson would probably be as well when the Vikings picked in R1.

What do I know?

Haha Yeah I wouldn't have expected us to ever land Floyd and Patterson either. That why when everyone says..."are you out of your mind...no way Manziel is making it that far".....you never know!!! If this was last year and I said we were taking Floyd at 23 everyone would think I was drunk

As for my mock last year, I actually had us taking Rhodes at 23 instead of 25 and I had us grabbing Hodges in the 3rd instead of the 4th. So I was a little off but either way we still landed them

The player I had us taking at 25 was DeAndre Hopkins. I was a big Hopkins lover but I'm glad it didn't happen because I love Patterson even more!

[Demi]

Much appreciated! I like Murray as well. However, if we were to take him, he would be a very very risky pick. The ACL tear is going to keep him out of the combine and in turn, I think we will see him fall further than expected. We would be taking a shot in the dark. I would say anywhere between rounds 4-6. If we were to stockpile draft picks for whatever reason and he's still on the board late even though we already drafted a QB by then, I wouldn't mind taking him. Similar to what Washington did with Cousins.

Come on, how much impact should a combine have on a QB? What the WHAT! How was Peyton and Brady and Brees in the combine? Remove their ACL a year later they're still top 3 QBs in the league!

Risky? ACL injury to a QB? Madness! Maybe a Manziel or Boyd or some such. But Murray? A super bowl winning QB only needs one ACL. Just ask Flacco. He might not have an ACL at all. Who knows!

[Pondering Her Percy]

Come on, how much impact should a combine have on a QB? What the WHAT! How was Peyton and Brady and Brees in the combine? Remove their ACL a year later they're still top 3 QBs in the league!

Risky? ACL injury to a QB? Madness! Maybe a Manziel or Boyd or some such. But Murray? A super bowl winning QB only needs one ACL. Just ask Flacco. He might not have an ACL at all. Who knows!

uhhhh what?? You have a guy here that won't be able to participate in the Senior Bowl nor the combine. Rumor has it he might not even be ready for training camp. We are unsure of how he will even recover from this but you think it's a good idea to take a shot in the dark that early....and you complain about Spielman's drafting abilities?? I'm sure glad you aren't our GM. I'm not saying QBs can't recover from ACL injuries but we're looking for a franchise QB here. This isn't just some kind of luxury pick. I can just about guarantee that if this happened and Spielman drafted him and it didn't work out....you would be the first one on here calling for Spielman's head so don't even give me that. Taking Aaron Murray that early is no doubt a risky selection.

[Demi]

This isn't a receiver or corner we need 40 times and shuttles. Go watch film, that's what matters. Real QBs don't rely on being able to run and cut to make plays. Brady tore his ACL and more, boy I'd hate to be him going forward a handful of years ago.

You're going to guarantee Spielman drafting a QB I like is going to result in me being negative about the pick? Give me a break. Unlike you I don't go around hedging my bets on every possible pick at QB. I have no problem if he takes him in the 2nd or 3rd. Unlike Carr, Bortles, and Boyd. Who I wouldn't waste a rookie minimum contract as an undrafted free agent on....

[Purple bruise]

Crazy. How has RG111 been playing since his ACL injury

[Demi]

Crazy. How has RG111 been playing since his ACL injury

Because his skill set is comparable to Murray, huh?

[Purple bruise]

Because his skill set is comparable to Murray, huh?

No he is twice as good as Murray was until his INSIGNIFICANT ACL injury, which devastated his career in his second year (night and day). Pay attention to his 4 years of rating 142, 142, 144, 189= career average of 158.9 his senior year 4293 yds. with 37 tds. and 6 ints.
NO CONTEST!! RG#3 was unstoppable until he tore up his ACL his rookie year.

Compare his college stats to Murrays: Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2008 Baylor Big 12 QB 12 160 267 59.9 2091 7.8 8.4 15 3 142.0
2009 Baylor Big 12 QB 3 45 69 65.2 481 7.0 8.1 4 0 142.9
*2010 Baylor Big 12 QB 13 304 454 67.0 3501 7.7 7.9 22 8 144.2
*2011 Baylor Big 12 QB 13 291 402 72.4 4293 10.7 11.8 37 6 189.5
Career Baylor 800 1192 67.1 10366 8.7 9.4 78 17 158.9

[mondry]

I would love to get Murray in the 4th or 5th round, I hope he does fall because of it, if we take a QB in the 2nd round and murray in the 5th that'd be sick!

[PurpleHalo]

I could see Ponder being traded. And yes, we would get picks next year

For like Blaine Gabbert? Chance of scenery trade?

[PurpleHalo]

I would love to get Murray in the 4th or 5th round, I hope he does fall because of it, if we take a QB in the 2nd round and murray in the 5th that'd be sick!

If I went that route I would take him as the 2nd QB taken in our draft in the 4th or so. A lot depends on Cassel, and if he decides to opt out or not. If he does you have Ponder, thats it! At that point you must draft 2 QBs, because free agency doesn't look very promising.

[Pondering Her Percy]

This isn't a receiver or corner we need 40 times and shuttles. Go watch film, that's what matters. Real QBs don't rely on being able to run and cut to make plays. Brady tore his ACL and more, boy I'd hate to be him going forward a handful of years ago.

You're going to guarantee Spielman drafting a QB I like is going to result in me being negative about the pick? Give me a break. Unlike you I don't go around hedging my bets on every possible pick at QB. I have no problem if he takes him in the 2nd or 3rd. Unlike Carr, Bortles, and Boyd. Who I wouldn't waste a rookie minimum contract as an undrafted free agent on....

lol hedging my bets huh?? You've mentioned QBs like Tom Brady, Manning, and Brees....3 of arguably the best QBs in the league and then you add in a "possible" late round sleeper in Murray. Murray shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys. They are better than Murray with their eyes closed. Just because they can still be very good after something like that doesn't guarantee Murray can so it looks like you're really "hedging your bet" here. By no means am I saying Murray will be a bad pick but that early....that's about as risky as you can get. He was projected to go in the 3rd round BEFORE his injury and now you think that a torn ACL will somehow make him not fall at all?? You might want to take those blinders off.

Wouldn't waste rookie minimum on those guys huh?? That just shows how clueless you are about the QBs in this class. There are GMs and scouts out there that love Carr, Bortles, and/or Boyd but wait....you know more than them right?? Maybe you should go be a GM or scout. Just don't become one for the Vikings. Go destroy someone else's franchise with your clueless logic.

[Purple bruise]

lol hedging my bets huh?? You've mentioned QBs like Tom Brady, Manning, and Brees....3 of arguably the best QBs in the league and then you add in a "possible" late round sleeper in Murray. Murray shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys. They are better than Murray with their eyes closed. Just because they can still be very good after something like that doesn't guarantee Murray can so it looks like you're really "hedging your bet" here. By no means am I saying Murray will be a bad pick but that early....that's about as risky as you can get. He was projected to go in the 3rd round BEFORE his injury and now you think that a torn ACL will somehow make him not fall at all?? You might want to take those blinders off.

Wouldn't waste rookie minimum on those guys huh?? That just shows how clueless you are about the QBs in this class. There are GMs and scouts out there that love Carr, Bortles, and/or Boyd but wait....you know more than them right?? Maybe you should go be a GM or scout. Just don't become one for the Vikings. Go destroy someone else's franchise with your clueless logic.

He even thinks that Murray was a better QB than RGIII in college Not to mention his hatred for midget QB's