Kluwe rips Frazier, Spielman, Priefer

[Eli]

They cut Kluwe, which they have the right to do FOR ANY REASON!

It's that simple.

[King James]

This is seriously such backwards thinking it's ridiculous. We're talking about equality rights here, treating all human beings the same and not taking rights away from them because of their sexuality.

Am I a bigot for hating a slave owner who is against the freeing of black people? I know that is an extreme example, but it is the same premise. Gay people should have just as many rights as human beings as straight people or transgendered people.

Not to mention the only person Kluwe has called a bigot was the man who openly said "We should round up all the gays, send them to an island, and then nuke it until it glows." I think he's doing a little more than "disagreeing" with gay rights.

I swear you people believe everything you hear from the media. Priefer probably didn't even say all that. Unless another play can testify for Kluwe. Which probably wont happen because they're not the ones unemployed, he is. His views are not wrong. But to accuse the staff of being a biggest just because they won't him his mouth. To bad mouth Frazier, Spielman, Priefer because he's no longer on the team. Why is he the only one with a problem with the staff? Why hasn't no one else complained about what Priefer "allegedly" said.

Like I said, Kluwe is a bigot because he thinks he has right to pop his mouth whenever he wants to the media and still stay on the team. If he wants to support gay ppl he can join a gay activist group or something. This is the NFL. The focus is mainly on football and it seems he lost his focus on that.

Let me tell you something about equality. This world will NEVER be 100 equal. No matter how many marches and speeches you have there are people who will STILL discriminate you about something. He is not like a regular person like you and me. If you and I were screaming about equality, very few people will give a damn. He was a NFL player. Everytime he opens his mouth the media is going to take his story an exaggerate it to something big. That causes a distraction when you see your employee all on new articles.

But im going to assume that you just believe everything Kluwe said right? You wasn't there when it happened but you believe that Priefer said those hurtful comments against gays? Ok then.

Weird that he waits till now to come out with these allegations when all of our coaches are possibly on the hot seat.

[saint33]

There isn't any incident, it's a non story. They cut Kluwe, which they have the right to do FOR ANY REASON! AT ANY TIME! He is trying to make a story out of it, Preifer still has freedom of speech, and if he doesn't it is indeed tiime to lock and load! The Vikings can fire Preifer as well, FOR ANY REASON! Everything is just fluff to get attention.

This country is turning into a joke that the media or anyone gives any attention to garbage like this. Idiot kickers should just ride off and be happy they got to punt in the NFL.

Are you serious? Anyone has the right to be fired for any reason? What world do you live in?

Priefer has freedom of speech, certainly. He's not getting arrested for his comments. But if you don't think discrimination in the workplace is an issue, well you'd be in a very large minority on the matter.

I frankly don't think they cut Kluwe for his stance, but that's not the issue. Having a person with authority in a workplace spouting off discriminatory comments is an issue and reflects poorly on the entire organization and the NFL.

[Eli]

Are you serious? Anyone has the right to be fired for any reason? What world do you live in?

The United States??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

[King James]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

So apparently according to most on this board. A bigot is only a person who discriminates against a certain group of people. Yet Kluwe has his own devoted opinion on Frazier, Spielman, and Priefer after they cut him. In regards to Priefer, then he speak out to make sure, guys "like him" never get another NFL job? Discriminating against Priefer because he MAY NOT share the same views about gays as him.

So, what if I don't care for gays either? Should I be out of a job too? Kluwe is a bigot. I can't believe people are actually defending this sorry piece of ####. It takes a REAL coward to address his problem to the media and not to the coaches themselves! Since he want to call Frazier a coward. Maybe Kluwe is a hypocrite too?

[saint33]

I swear you people believe everything you hear from the media. Priefer probably didn't even say all that. Unless another play can testify for Kluwe. Which probably wont happen because they're not the ones unemployed, he is. His views are not wrong. But to accuse the staff of being a biggest just because they won't him his mouth. To bad mouth Frazier, Spielman, Priefer because he's no longer on the team. Why is he the only one with a problem with the staff? Why hasn't no one else complained about what Priefer "allegedly" said.

Like I said, Kluwe is a bigot because he thinks he has right to pop his mouth whenever he wants to the media and still stay on the team. If he wants to support gay ppl he can join a gay activist group or something. This is the NFL. The focus is mainly on football and it seems he lost his focus on that.

Let me tell you something about equality. This world will NEVER be 100 equal. No matter how many marches and speeches you have there are people who will STILL discriminate you about something. He is not like a regular person like you and me. If you and I were screaming about equality, very few people will give a damn. He was a NFL player. Everytime he opens his mouth the media is going to take his story an exaggerate it to something big. That causes a distraction when you see your employee all on new articles.

But im going to assume that you just believe everything Kluwe said right? You wasn't there when it happened but you believe that Priefer said those hurtful comments against gays? Ok then.

Weird that he waits till now to come out with these allegations when all of our coaches are possibly on the hot seat.

This is not from "the media", the words were written directly by Kluwe himself. And yes, I do believe that he is telling the truth. I've followed Kluwe closely during his time on the Vikings. He is arrogant, condescending, juvenile at times and most certainly self-righteous. But he's also extremely intelligent. I don't see why he would fabricate a story such as this, something that could result in a defamation lawsuit against him, if it weren't true. Especially considering he has been insistent in both his story and in the interview since he wrote the story, that he has witnesses that can back up the allegations. But not only that, but in fabricating this story he would be bring a very negative light to a cause he is fighting for. I don't expect any of those witnesses to come out in public and speak against Priefer at this time, because as yous said, they are still currently employed in the NFL and Kluwe is not asking them too. If a lawsuit is pursued, I'm sure we will hear from them. But in reality, I don't believe a lawsuit will be pursued, and I believe an investigation will be done by the Wilfs and the NFL and it will lead to Priefer's firing, and potentially a suspension/fine from the league.

I don't think you seem to grasp what the word bigot means, and I'll just leave it at that.

And yes you're right, the world will never be 100% equal. But that doesn't mean the law should reinforce that fact by taking rights away from minorities. Nor do I think the fact that the world will never be perfect should stop people from trying to make it better. And you're 100% right that Kluwe's words will garner more attention than someone like you or I. Which is why I amend Kluwe for at least attempting to use his fame as a platform to right some of the many wrongs in the world.

As I stated before, yes I do believe what he has said. I don't believe everything I'm told in life, in fact I've learned over my years to be cautious about what really is the truth in situations like this. But I've also learned to evaluate these situations using logic. I don't directly hear or see many things that happen in this world, and yet I know that they have happened because of that.

And no it's not weird, it's not a coincidence and as I've stated before, Kluwe's actions are not completely altruistic. He has an agenda that he was not willing to pursue as long as it would affect his playing career. I frankly don't care whether or not his intentions are pure or not, Kluwe is a flawed human being, as we all are. But if his allegations are true, the far bigger issue is that the Vikings are currently employing a coach who has a history of discrimination the workplace, something that is not acceptable.

[saint33]

The United States??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

Directly out of the link you posted:

Although all U.S. states have a number of statutory protections for employees, most wrongful termination suits brought under statutory causes of action use the federal anti-discrimination statutes which prohibit firing or refusing to hire an employee because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or handicap status. Other reasons an employer may not use to fire an at-will employee are:

[saint33]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

So apparently according to most on this board. A bigot is only a person who discriminates against a certain group of people. Yet Kluwe has his own devoted opinion on Frazier, Spielman, and Priefer after they cut him. In regards to Priefer, then he speak out to make sure, guys "like him" never get another NFL job? Discriminating against Priefer because he MAY NOT share the same views about gays as him.

So, what if I don't care for gays either? Should I be out of a job too? Kluwe is a bigot. I can't believe people are actually defending this sorry piece of ####. It takes a REAL coward to address his problem to the media and not to the coaches themselves! Since he want to call Frazier a coward. Maybe Kluwe is a hypocrite too?

Again, are we getting back to this again? If someone hates people because they are gay, that is bigotry. So now we're going to say that if someone hates bigots (people who hate gays), that makes them also a bigot? Not really using the term in it's correct intent.

And as I stated before, it's not a crime to hate gay people, nor should someone who does so be fired on the premise alone. But that information is something best left at home. To spout off discriminatory comments in a workplace environment is a completely different story, and is absolutely worthy of immediate termination. If you don't agree, go ahead and tomorrow walk into your place of work. Stand up in front of everyone and tell them all that all the *insert minority of choice here* should be shipped off to an island and nuked. See how that turns out for you.

[Eli]

Directly out of the link you posted:

Exactly. I can fire you because I don't like your high-pitched voice. I can fire you because I don't like the way you dress. I can fire you just because I feel like it. But I can't fire you because you're Jewish or because you're 60.

[saint33]

Exactly. I can fire you because I don't like your high-pitched voice. I can fire you because I don't like the way you dress. I can fire you just because I feel like it. But I can't fire you because you're Jewish or because you're 60.

Thus you can't fire someone for "any" reason. You can fire them for almost any reason, with exception to sexuality, race, religion, etc. Which is exactly what I said.

And although I've stated already that I don't think Kluwe was fired for his beliefs or activism, it doesn't negate the issue of discrimination in the work place. If Kluwe or another player in the organization were actually gay, having evidence of Priefer discriminating against gays in the work place gives that player a case to argue that he was fired for such reason. And thus if the allegations are true, not only is Priefer breaking pretty standard ethical conduct code of any professional organization, he is also potentially giving validation for a potential lawsuit, unlikely as that is.

[Funkytown]

I'm actually embarrassed that this team and its fans keep using the word "distraction". Chris Kluwe was a "distraction"? Oh yeah? They get paid millions of dollars to PLAY A FREAKING GAME! Distraction. Yeah. Okay. Sounds like a lame excuse to me. Vikings player or coach: "I'm sorry Mr. Wilf. I know you pay me millions of dollars to do my job, but Kluwe's opinions are just too darn distracting for me. I can't focus on work. It's becoming harder by the day to focus on my job and my work performance is suffering." Yeah, IF I ever get in trouble at work, I'm going to say "My co-worker distracted me with her opinions". I'll get back to y'all and let you know how far it got me. No, but seriously, the distraction excuse is super lame, especially in this case. A family tragedy or something could be distracting or emotionally draining, but something like this? Really? Are these big, macho men really that weak and so easily "distracted"? This is all that it takes to throw them off? People need to man up and let go of the "distraction" excuse in professional sports. These people get paid millions of dollars for a reason. It actually makes me laugh at how people want to coddle these guys as if they are fragile little beings.

[The Breeze]

Great posts Saint


I think it's worth pointing out that Priefer has 1 of 32 jobs in the world. He is a supposed "up and comer" which puts him in line for another higher paying and higher profile 1 of 32 jobs in the world. Big money and probably a dream come true....he must be very excited at the prospect. Wouldn't any one of you feel that way if you were him?

Now you have some rockstar punter just destroying your dream with a keyboard. Are you just gonna let him? That's a huge crime....slander, defamation. Cripes, he could take Kluwe for everything he's got and more. If Priefer didn't say those things, it's a slam dunk case...right? Call the witnesses...take that replaceable piece of self-inflated crap into court and be a man.

Looks to me like Priefer is the person who should've kept his mouth shut. Haters gonna hate.

[Funkytown]

I actually have more respect for Wilf after reading this story, and, of course, I still love Kluwe.

For those who think Spielman should get fired, there is no better time than the present to let him go if Wilf is/was even considering it. If he truly wants a fresh start, now would be a great time to let Rick go, too. Curious to see if ol' Ricky Bobby survives this. I won't be surprised either way, but things just got a bit more interesting up there in Minnesota.

Minnesota is looking less and less attractive by the minute for potential coaches.

[King James]

Again, are we getting back to this again? If someone hates people because they are gay, that is bigotry. So now we're going to say that if someone hates bigots (people who hate gays), that makes them also a bigot? Not really using the term in it's correct intent.

And as I stated before, it's not a crime to hate gay people, nor should someone who does so be fired on the premise alone. But that information is something best left at home. To spout off discriminatory comments in a workplace environment is a completely different story, and is absolutely worthy of immediate termination. If you don't agree, go ahead and tomorrow walk into your place of work. Stand up in front of everyone and tell them all that all the *insert minority of choice here* should be shipped off to an island and nuked. See how that turns out for you.

You're clearly not getting what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that Kluwe may be fabricating his story because he is still mad over the fact that he got cut. I did not say that saying hurtful things about a certain group of people was wrong. What I did say is that Priefer probably didn't even say all that. I think Kluwe is trying to get the man fired out of spite. Again, if this was such a big issue. He should have came out and reported it right after it happened. It's just ironic that with a new coach, Priefer might be gone. This gives Kluwe to throw dirt on this staff in hopes of dwindling their chances to work elsewhere.

People forget that Kluwe was already on thin ice for not knowing how to shut his mouth. He was on thin ice way before this whole equality talk. I think his last antics followed by his piss poor performance last year is what got him cut. The Vikings were trying their butts off to get to the playoffs with a mediocre team. His blabbing wasn't helping.

If I were to go in work and say something derogatory towards a certain group of people, I'd be doing similar to what's Kluwe is doing. That is blabbing out nonsense that is not smart or suitable for the work place. For gays and minorities they have different organizations where you can show your support. These organizations have a voice, he can go talk to them. Not talking on social media where the press are ready to stir things up.

[Funkytown]

For gays and minorities they have different organizations where you can show your support. These organizations have a voice, he can go talk to them. Not talking on social media where the press are ready to stir things up.

Actually, social media is a great tool these days. I'd say it's one of the best ways to let one's "voice" be heard.