Frazier and Staff Chances Of Returning
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King James
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Re: Frazier and Staff Chances Of Returning
If we can win a minimum of 7 games I think he stays. I don't mind Frazier staying but Bill Musgrave and Alan Williams have to go.
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Yeah, I'd say the chances of that are about 100 to 1.King James wrote:If we can win a minimum of 7 games I think he stays. I don't mind Frazier staying but Bill Musgrave and Alan Williams have to go.
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My thoughts are this: If Fraizer and Co. aren't gone (I'm not saying Spielman needs to go too) then I'm not springing for Sunday Ticket next year. I'll be online for updates, but I won't spend any more money on a team that perpetuates sub-mediocrity.
It's a results based business as has been mentioned in this thread. The Vikes are my boys, and will always be my boys, but that doesn't mean my teeny bit of $$ will be spent to support idiocity.
It's a results based business as has been mentioned in this thread. The Vikes are my boys, and will always be my boys, but that doesn't mean my teeny bit of $$ will be spent to support idiocity.
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I am afraid that they will keep Leslie and Chrissie. As I feared, they will do JUst snuff to string Wolf along on an ongoing last hope for a turn around. This is the first year in a looking time that I didn't make any trips to 'M or spend a dime in the Dome. If they don't do some serious housecleaning, Y oh won't see ME freezing my cheeks off next season either. It's bad ENUFF paying to sit in Wrigley Field n watch futility. I won't do it in the snow.
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Re: Frazier and Staff Chances Of Returning
Let's play the game where we actually look at the games and decide how well the Vikings are playing against the level of competition.
After all, look at the upcoming game at Seattle. If you had a generic 8-8 team, going into a Seattle game where the Seahawks are likely to be the #1 seed, what would you expect the loss to be? For me, that's a 10-14 point loss. If you were a generic 4-12 team, you are probably getting blown out by 17-20. If you are a generic 10-6 team, you are probably losing by 7-10. If you are just as good, say 13-3, you will lose by the HFA - 3 points. So I'm going to look at our scores against the level of competition and try to figure out a expected "record" based on the result.
MIN 24 @ DET 34 - What would you guess the record of a team is that loses to the #3 division champ by ten points at their place. I'm thinking 7-9.
MIN 30 @ CHI 31 - Losing by less that the HFA against a winning Bears team, when the team had all their stars healthy. I'm thinking 9-7.
CLE 31 @ MIN 27 - Losing at home to a 4-5 team, although that 4-5 team was playing only one of two games with their best QB. I'm thinking 6-10.
PIT 27 @ MIN 34 - Win by a TD on a neutral field. Maybe 8-8.
CAR 35 @ MIN 10 - Blown out at home by a team that looks to be playing for HFA now. Maybe 5-11.
MIN 7 @ NYG 23 - This is a mulligan. They weren't even trying to win the game with Freeman. It's an outlier.
GB 44 @ MIN 31 - Bad loss at home to a very good team, again, when that very good team had their best player. Maybe 6-10.
MIN 23 @ DAL 27 - Close loss at a likely division champ, albeit a weak one. Maybe 9-7.
WAS 27 @ MIN 34 - Wacky game, win against a bad team at home. Maybe 7-9.
So my average over the 8 games I've rated is about 7 wins. To me, even though we look like we are headed for a 3-13 season, we are playing for the most part like a 7-9 team. Note also how the scores (at least to me) cluster fairly well around 7-9. There were a couple outliers (we played better than expected in Dallas and in Chicago) and worse than expected against Carolina and the Giants. But the rest of the games pretty much show a pattern of a slightly below average team facing a difficult schedule. I realize the stats say our schedule was easy, but we played the Bears with a healthy Cutler, the Pack with a healthy Rodgers, and the Browns with a healthy Hoyer. I think each of those teams is maybe two wins ahead of where they are now if they had their starting QB throughout the season (rather than just against us).
And in essence, the difference between the result expected by the record and the actual results is why I think Frazier has the team playing hard, maybe even playing above their talent level. I like him as a person, not sure about him as a coach, but the team doesn't give up. Still, I expect him to get fired, but I will be shocked if Spielman goes. I think he'll have to have multiple first round busts before he gets canned. Maybe that will be after next season, if Rhodes and Floyd don't get their act together over the next year. [I have not been overly disappointed in them so far this year.]
After all, look at the upcoming game at Seattle. If you had a generic 8-8 team, going into a Seattle game where the Seahawks are likely to be the #1 seed, what would you expect the loss to be? For me, that's a 10-14 point loss. If you were a generic 4-12 team, you are probably getting blown out by 17-20. If you are a generic 10-6 team, you are probably losing by 7-10. If you are just as good, say 13-3, you will lose by the HFA - 3 points. So I'm going to look at our scores against the level of competition and try to figure out a expected "record" based on the result.
MIN 24 @ DET 34 - What would you guess the record of a team is that loses to the #3 division champ by ten points at their place. I'm thinking 7-9.
MIN 30 @ CHI 31 - Losing by less that the HFA against a winning Bears team, when the team had all their stars healthy. I'm thinking 9-7.
CLE 31 @ MIN 27 - Losing at home to a 4-5 team, although that 4-5 team was playing only one of two games with their best QB. I'm thinking 6-10.
PIT 27 @ MIN 34 - Win by a TD on a neutral field. Maybe 8-8.
CAR 35 @ MIN 10 - Blown out at home by a team that looks to be playing for HFA now. Maybe 5-11.
MIN 7 @ NYG 23 - This is a mulligan. They weren't even trying to win the game with Freeman. It's an outlier.
GB 44 @ MIN 31 - Bad loss at home to a very good team, again, when that very good team had their best player. Maybe 6-10.
MIN 23 @ DAL 27 - Close loss at a likely division champ, albeit a weak one. Maybe 9-7.
WAS 27 @ MIN 34 - Wacky game, win against a bad team at home. Maybe 7-9.
So my average over the 8 games I've rated is about 7 wins. To me, even though we look like we are headed for a 3-13 season, we are playing for the most part like a 7-9 team. Note also how the scores (at least to me) cluster fairly well around 7-9. There were a couple outliers (we played better than expected in Dallas and in Chicago) and worse than expected against Carolina and the Giants. But the rest of the games pretty much show a pattern of a slightly below average team facing a difficult schedule. I realize the stats say our schedule was easy, but we played the Bears with a healthy Cutler, the Pack with a healthy Rodgers, and the Browns with a healthy Hoyer. I think each of those teams is maybe two wins ahead of where they are now if they had their starting QB throughout the season (rather than just against us).
And in essence, the difference between the result expected by the record and the actual results is why I think Frazier has the team playing hard, maybe even playing above their talent level. I like him as a person, not sure about him as a coach, but the team doesn't give up. Still, I expect him to get fired, but I will be shocked if Spielman goes. I think he'll have to have multiple first round busts before he gets canned. Maybe that will be after next season, if Rhodes and Floyd don't get their act together over the next year. [I have not been overly disappointed in them so far this year.]
Re: Frazier and Staff Chances Of Returning
Vegas doesn't think so.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/231472441.html
http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/231472441.html
Third? Your own Leslie Frazier of the Vikings. It's no surprise, really, given his 3-13 season two years ago and this year's disaster. But if you want to bet that he won't be the coach in 2014, wagering $300 will earn you just $100 extra.