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Seriously. Compare the Raiders in the past twenty years with Gruden and without him. He stands out like an oasis in a desert.Reignman wrote:Gruden may have won a bowl with Dungy leftovers in Tampa, but he faced his own leftovers (the Raiders) in the Superbowl. He built that Superbowl caliber team in Oakland around Rich Gannon.
Yeah, I know Jim will have our heads for this but at this point it seems pretty clear that coaching / scheme / offensive / defensive play calling is at LEAST 50% of the problem. When your defensive leaders like Allen and Greenway are making the kind of comments they are and your franchise left tackle says we're getting out schemed (saw it all day, more panthers than we can actually block) it's pretty bad.mansquatch wrote:I agree on the 2011 comparison, that is what this defense reminds me of. I have to look at the coaching. Other than Sanford, this unit is essentially different from the group that enabled that debacle (Cook was not on the filed during the latter half or the year.) and yet we are seeing a gross inability to play anything resembling coverage. I stongly feel it is time to look at coaching, philosophy, and scheme. Something is wrong.
It is one thing when a Jay Cutler or a Matt Stafford has your number, but the Browns and the Panthers?
mansquatch wrote:I think it is time for a house cleaning in terms of coaching. I truly think this is potentially another 49ers in the making where a competent coach comes in and they see significant improvement. There is culture of conservatism that dates back to the Chilli days which has persisted under Frasier. That needs to get blown up. Total regime change. I do think Mike Priefer is worth keeping around. Nobody else has really shown much to get excited about IMO.
Also, I'd like to see them make an aggressive hire. Try to find the next big thing, not just some big name or some "play it safe" candidate. I have no idea who that guy is.
Why would I have your heads for that? I'm not sure it's 50% of the problem but it's definitely a part of the problem. Musgrave's a good play designer but I've said for a few years now that he lacks instincts as a playcaller and I certainly see issues with the defensive scheme. I just don't know if there's another scheme they could run that work any better with the talent they possess.mondry wrote:Yeah, I know Jim will have our heads for this but at this point it seems pretty clear that coaching / scheme / offensive / defensive play calling is at LEAST 50% of the problem.
Agreed. I never liked Jim Harbaugh, and I still think the wrong move for the 49ers was to put in Kaepernick as the starter over Alex Smith, but I do give him credit for taking a stand and saying that he was going to be the starter - no questions asked. I think that's what needs to happen with Josh Freeman. Frazier should get up there and tell the press that Freeman is the starter through the season and the position will be addressed in the offseason - whether that means extending Freeman or drafting.Mothman wrote:I think the QB issue is more significant. The Vikings area rudderless ship without a clear starter at QB and Frazier needs to address that issue clearly and decisively. It can't help the team's confidence to have such a huge question mark dangling at the most important position.
Hmm, yeah I could see that. I mean the chiefs were what, 2-14 with bad coaching, one year later they're now 6-0 I think? That adds one more team that's pulled it off anyway. I actually thought the Vikings were going to pull it off as well after hitting 3-13 and then 10-6 but it seems that was a fluke and I have a few theories on that. Anyway, I agree I'd like to see the whole thing blown up, especially since we likely need a new QB anyway, it's as good a time as any to change it up.mansquatch wrote:I think it is time for a house cleaning in terms of coaching. I truly think this is potentially another 49ers in the making where a competent coach comes in and they see significant improvement. There is culture of conservatism that dates back to the Chilli days which has persisted under Frasier. That needs to get blown up. Total regime change. I do think Mike Priefer is worth keeping around. Nobody else has really shown much to get excited about IMO.
Also, I'd like to see them make an aggressive hire. Try to find the next big thing, not just some big name or some "play it safe" candidate. I have no idea who that guy is.
Mothman wrote: Speaking of morale and leadership (which is basically what we're doing here), I don't think it's a coincidence that this blowout loss came after a week in which the Vikings QB position was thrown into complete chaos and Adrian Peterson's son was essentially murdered. I don't know how much impact the latter had on the team but a lot of those players have families so it may have hot some of them hard.
I think the QB issue is more significant. The Vikings area rudderless ship without a clear starter at QB and Frazier needs to address that issue clearly and decisively. It can't help the team's confidence to have such a huge question mark dangling at the most important position.
